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Game Thread: Washington Nationals at Atlanta Braves- 2008 Game 97 of 162.

Washington Nationals @ Atlanta Braves


Season Series...

The last time the Washington Nationals played the Atlanta Braves, DC took two straight at home in Nationals Park, on April 29th and 30th, in a two-game set that effectively completed the normal three game visit to the nation's capital for the Braves, which began on March 30th with the one night stand on Opening Night. So in a way, you can say that the Nationals swept the Braves in three straight the last time they met, even if it might not be exactly, factually, true, but they did sweep two...

The Braves were back in DC only 12 days after Opening Night, for a three game weekend series from April 11th-13th, with Atlanta taking two of three on the road, and in Washington's only visit to Atlanta, Georgia's Turner Field so far in '08 on April 21-22, (another abbreviated two-game set), the teams split, leaving the season series so far at 5-3 in favor of DC...

On The Hill...

Tim Redding (7-3, 3.85 ERA) started the second of the Nationals' two games down South in Atlanta, taking the hill on April 22nd, and throwing 6.0 innings of 4-hit, 2 run ball with 2 walks, 2 K's and 1 HR surrendered, that being the solo shot Chipper Jones hit in the sixth inning to tie at 2-2, a game which the Nationals would eventually win 6-3. In Redding's career, he's faced Atlanta 5 times, with 4 starts and a (2-1) record in 22 innings pitched, over which he's allowed 23 hits, 11 ER, 4 HR's and 10 walks with 12 K's and a 4.50 ERA overall. Two of those starts against Atlanta came this year, with Redding holding the Braves to a .244 AVG, with 10 hits, 5 ER's and 2 HR's in 11 innings all at Nationals Park. 

On the road this season, Redding's undefeated at (3-0) in 8 starts, posting a 3.42 ERA, 1.18 WHIP and a .223 BAA in 47.1 innings on the mound, but on the road...in Atlanta...in 2 career starts, the 30-year old Redding is (1-1) with a 5.00 ERA, 1.67 WHIP and a .324 BAA, having given up 11 hits, 5 ER, 2 HR's and 4 walks while striking out 5 Braves' batters. 

Tim Hudson (9-7, 3.13 ERA), has beaten the Nationals two of the three times he's faced DC this season, with a (2-0) record and a 1.25 ERA, 0.92 WHIP, .216 BAA, and just 16 hits, 3 ER's and 4 walks allowed in 21.2 innings pitched during which he's collected 11 K's. 

In fact, in his career, Hudson's dominated DC, with a (7-1) record in 11 starts against the Nationals, posting ridiculous numbers...like his 1.13 ERA in 79.1 innings, or his 0.93 WHIP, or .212 BAA, and the fact that he's held the Nationals to just 61 hits, 14 runs, (10 earned), 1 HR and 13 walks while setting 57 down either swinging, looking, or fouling third strikes into a catcher's mitt is kind of impressive...

Not quite as impressive? Hudson's record at home in Turner Field, where the 32-year old right-hander is just (2-6) in 11 starts and 12 appearances in 2008, having doubled his runs allowed on the road, (15 to 30 at home) while nearly doubling the number of home runs surrendered (4 to 7), as well as his ERA from (2.13 to 4.09), though he's still held opponents to just a .253 BAA. Hudson's struggled through his last ten starts, going just (2-4), while the Braves have gone just (3-7) with Hudson on the hill...

Nationals' #'s Against Tim Hudson...

Jesus Flores - 0 for 5, .000 AVG.

Paul Lo Duca - 7 for 23, .304 AVG, 1 2B.

Cristian "All-Star" Guzman - 10 for 53, .189 AVG, 2 2B's, 8 K's.

Felipe Lopez - 5 for 27, .185 AVG, 2 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBI's.

DY - 9 for 13, .158 AVG, 1 HR, 3 RBI's. 

Willie Harris 1 for 6, .167 AVG, 1 2B, 1 RBI.

Austin Kearns - 10 for 30, .333 AVG, 1 HR, 4 RBI's.

Ryan Langerhans - 1 for 4, .250 AVG, 1 RBI.

The "If They Were Playing" List...

Aaron Boone - 3 for 11, .273 AVG, 1 2B, 2 RBI's.

Lastings Milledge - 0 for 12, .000 AVG, 1 RBI.

Ryan Zimmerman - 3 for 23, 130 AVG, 1 2B, 6 K's.

Nick Johnson 4 for 23, .174 AVG, 2 2B, 1 RBI.

Tim Redding's Been Hit Hard By...

Yunel Escobar - 2 for 5, .400 AVG.

Chipper JONES - (Career #'s) - 7 for 9, .778 BA, 2 HR's, 6 RBI's, .778 OBP, 1.444 SLG!!, 2.222 OPS!!!. - (C. Jones vs Redding in '08 - 4 for 6, .667 AVG, 2 HR, 3 RBI's. 

Mark Teixeira - 3 for 7, .429 AVG, 3 2B, 1 RBI. 

Cristian Guzman @ The All-Star Game in NYC...

The Nationals' All-Star shortstop, Cristian Guzman, comported himself well at MLB's Mid-Summer Classic, (which actually lived up to that moniker this season in a tense 15-inning affair), which saw Guzman, who entered the game as a pinch runner in the ninth, end up getting 3 AB's, and going 0 for 3 with 3 LOB. But if he didn't impress with the bat, he did in the field, where Guzman, who agreed to play third base for the first time at the Major League level, made at least one game-saving play, whilst simultaneously increasing his value by adding another position to his resume as he plays his way towards a new free agent deal after this season...

Guzman talked to MLB.com's Bill Ladson about the experience, talking to Mr. Ladson for an article entitled, "Guzman doesn't sell himself short", in which Guzman admits:

"'In the first inning, I was so nervous,' Guzman said. 'I never played third in my life. We didn't have anymore infielders. He (NL Manager Clint Hurdle) talked to me and he asked, 'Are you going to play third?' I go, 'Why not?'"

...(and Bill Ladson gets a laugh out of Guzman by asking after his night at third base, "So, watch out Ryan Zimmerman?" to which Guzman replies, "He's the best, he's the best.") Speaking of Ryan Zimmer...THE KIDS CALL HIM ZIM!!!!

"Zimmerman Watch: Columbus Edition" - Federal Baseball's 24-Hour, 22 Hou...12 Hour... Intermittent Dodgy Coverage of the BREAKING NEWS! And ACTION!!......(This Time With Extra Action)...

Ryan Zimmerman was 1 for 3 with a double last night in his '08 debut with the Nationals' Triple-AAA affiliate in Columbus, though the Clippers dropped a 5-2 decision to the Indianapolis Indians. Roger Bernadina was 2 for 3 to lift his '08 AVG to .417. Shairon Martis, fresh off his save in the XM MLB All-Star Futures Game, lost the game, giving up 7 hits, 5 runs, (2 earned) and a walk with 3 K's....

...Mike Hinckley, (I'm still waiting to see Hinckley debut in DC), was just called up from Double-AA Harrisburg on (7/12) to make his Triple-AAA debut with Columbus after 8 seasons in the Nationals/Expos organization, according to Dan Watson's article entitled, "LHP Mike Hinckley Goes to Columbus." In last night's game, Hinckley tossed 2.0 scoreless in relief, allowing 1 walk with 1 K after losing his Clippers' debut, as a starter, to the Scranton/Wilkes Barre Yankees after allowing 9 hits and 2 ER in 6.0 innings, with 1 walk and 6 K's on July 12th. 

7:35 pm EST start at Turner Field in Atlanta. The "So-Called Second-Half" begins the same way the first half did, with the Nationals and Braves in an NL East tilt. Redding vs Hudson. Game 97! Who's watching the Nationals?

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I agree! This is the best!.. er...

Sorry, two days and I miss baseball.

Let’s go Nats, go!

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 10:07 AM EDT   0 recs

Did u hide spam links in your commas?

Let’s Go Nats Go!!!(just imagine this bold and italicized since I can’t click and drag with my iPhone)

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 1:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wish...

I could make some witty comeback about the Nationals “clobbering” Hudson, but I just reread his #’s vs DC and have to admit I slightly afeared of him…

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

...and by "I slightly afeared"

...I of course mean, “I’m slightly afeared.”

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll say it's clobberin' time!

Zimmy’s back in Columbus! CLIPPERS SMASH!

(Plus WMP is out of the lineup… he’s the opposite of clobberin’, whatever that is… cuddling? I don’t think I want to pursue this.)

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 7:13 PM EDT   0 recs

DC Starting Lineup...

Wee Willie CF
Paul Lo Duca 1B???
The Guzzzz SS
AK RF
Johnny “Yes He’s A National” Estrada C
Ronnie B. 2B
Casto!!(clapclap) 3B
Langerhans LF
Redding dealing…

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 7:30 PM EDT   0 recs

Hudson puts the first three DC batters down in order to end the top of the first...

DAMN YOU HUDSON!! DAMN YOU!!

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 7:41 PM EDT   0 recs

C.Jones vs Redding...Groundout to 2nd. Redding wins...0-0 after 1.

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 7:44 PM EDT   0 recs

Looks like Johnny Estrada's still wearing his "DL beard"...

...His…”Rocky Training in Russia” Beard…

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 7:48 PM EDT   0 recs

Big Teixeira doubles off Redding and takes third on Austin Kearns arm when McCann flies out...

What will Frenchy do? Take a fastball in the shoulder…

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 7:56 PM EDT   0 recs

L'il Lillibridge takes an 0-2 pitch that's left hanging in the zone over Harris' head in center for a two-strike, two-out, two-run double...2-0 Braves.

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 8:03 PM EDT   0 recs

Langerhans' single drives in Casto, who'd doubled, and the Clippers cut the Braves lead in half...2-1 Atl.

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Paul Lo Duca singles in Langerhans to tie it at 2-2 in the third...AND THEN...

Lo Duca STEALS SECOND!!!

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 8:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Redding walks Blanco to start the Braves' third, and one out later, Chipper singles with Blanco runnings...

First and third, one out for Tex…

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 8:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Redding walks Tex with a low full count fastball...Brian McCann with the bases loaded...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

McCann rips a double to right, three runs cross, and McCan takes third on the throw home...5-2 Braves...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mark Kotsay brings McCann home with a two-out single, 6-2 Cowardly Braves.

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

AK's robbed by C.Jones on the ricochet off the pitcher...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dang, this one got ugly fast.

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 8:56 PM EDT   0 recs

One real bad inning for Redding, with two walks costing him...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bergmann out to pitch the fifth...

McCann practically hits a broken-bat HR, but it goes foul…

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 8:58 PM EDT   0 recs

And PLoD actually catchs a pop-up!

Belliard looked like he wanted to call him off, but if he can steal a base, maybe it’s PLoD’s night…

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:00 PM EDT   0 recs

Hey! Maybe Bergmann can be the new closer if they trade the BIG GUY...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So what is the starting rotation right now?

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:02 PM EDT   0 recs

Not Shemp!!!

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

AK! Hooks a grounder just fair past first for a leadoff double. Er, second-off double..

Moves to third on Estrada’s groundout, and it’s up to Belli to start the runs!

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Belliard lines a clean single into center, and the Nats are within 3!

Let’s go Kasto! Er, Casto!

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If (C)asto strikes out it's on you for once...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whew! Fly out!

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Belliard!!! Lines to center to score Kearns. 6-3 Braves.

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Collome warming, though Bergman only threw 9 last inning...

...he might come out again if they don’t get to his spot.

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:07 PM EDT   0 recs

I guess they were getting Bergmann work with no game Monday and the last week off...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And Bergman is back for the 6th.

Heck, beats a side-session…

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bergmann gets two outs, man on second with Kelly Johnson up...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And another 2-out RBI.

SIGH.

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

...and Bergmann was pitching so well.

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Johnson lines over short...Two-out runs!!!! 7-3 ATL.

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Laaaarrry!! Laaarrry!!!

What kind of grown man calls himself Chipper…

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A triple! A TRIPLE? The Clippers' batters are tearing it up...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Charlie Manning up n the pen...

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:21 PM EDT   0 recs

Jesus Flores flies out to center, Langerhans tags and scores, 7-4 ATL!!

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I predict a 9-8 Nationals' win...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"First baseman Paul LoDuca" just doesn't sound right.

PLoD on deck as Li’l Willie works a one-out walk.

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Trade Lo Duca!! (clapclap, clapclapclap!!!)

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lo Duca grounds to second...(whispers...trade lo duca!)

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

HOF Don Sutton: "Most bullpens seem to have some issues..."

Heh, especially ours…

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:27 PM EDT   0 recs

Ya mean...Cristian "All-Star" Guzman?

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:27 PM EDT   0 recs

Krischin Goozmin?

Say the name right or not, GUUUUUZ comes through with a slap single and now it’s 7-5.

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And Guz chases Hudson..

Now let’s see some “bullpen issues”!

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Guzzzzzzzz chases Hudson with an RBI single!!! 7-5 Braves...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Blaine Boyer's got "goat" written all over him...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Drawbacks to living in the District...

...every time a helicopter flies over (getting takeout for 1600?) the picture goes screwy…

TIE THIS GAME, AK!

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:32 PM EDT   0 recs

AK robbed on the ricochet to C.Jones when Kearns' line drive hits the pitcher...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is a lead-off walk the gift you had in mind...ugh!

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Manning stays on to face the right-handed Jeff Francouer?

...and Chalee gets the DP grounder…

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:41 PM EDT   0 recs

CMan gets a convenient doubleplay 5-4-3 to end the inning...

Wow, FLoP was really “neighborhooding” that—his foot must have been a foot from the bag!

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Estrada up to get it going!

He’s got some serious ink on his forearms, too. He must be a bad man.

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:43 PM EDT   0 recs

He's not scaring anyone with his weak-a$$ 0 for 4...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Boyer's yanked with two down, so it's Casto vs Will Ohman! Lefty vs Lefty!!

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

...ooooh slider? inside gets Casto swinging to end the top of the 8th. 7-5 Cowardly Braves...

"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous." - V

by e chigliak on Jul 18, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Manning back out for the 8th...

Almost hits Kotsay with the first pitch…

When in doubt, blame PLoD

by Doghouse on Jul 18, 2008 9:52 PM EDT   0 recs