The Washington Nationals And The MLB Hot Stove...Was MLB.com's Bill Ladson Right About DC And Prince Fielder?
Part One: In which I spin a small story into a wild post full of speculative rumor-mongering and piecemeal logic...
...And I thought MLB.com's Bill Ladson was crazy. All winter long, Mr. Ladson's been dropping hints of the Washington Nationals' interest in Milwaukee Brewers' first baseman Prince Fielder, and now FOXSports.com writer Ken Rosenthal is offering the Milwaukee GM Doug Melvin some unsolicited advice on how to "get creative" with the Brewers' roster in an article entitled, "Trading Fielder could help Brewers acquire pitching", which makes Mr. Ladson seem not crazy, but in fact, possibly prescient.
Now, first (or I guess second actually, after that incendiary first paragraph), I should caution that Mr. Rosenthal starts his article by writing, "(Brewers' GM Doug) Melvin said Thursday that he is not trying to make such a play, but," and it's quite a "but" really,...Mr. Rosenthal thinks that the Brewers should consider trading their big, 24-year-old, vegetarian first baseman, the aforementioned Prince Fielder, in an attempt to bring some young arms into the organization, since, in Mr. Rosenthal's opinion:
"The Brewers need pitching. They can't buy the quality they need, and they likely would be reluctant to trade another top position prospect after parting with outfielder Matt LaPorta in the CC Sabathia trade."
This Ken Rosenthal story probably never would have made me think of Washington's Nationals...(and Mr. Rosenthal doesn't mention the Nationals in the article)...as a trade partner for Milwaukee, if it hadn't been for the fact that MLB.com's Bill Ladson has been reporting, or at least repeating, all winter that the Nationals were in pursuit of a big bat at first base, and before surprising the baseball world with their legit offer to "The New York Yankees' New First Baseman", it was assumed, (correctly it turns out), that the Washington Nationals wouldn't be able to outspend the big clubs, (or the Yankees in particular, to be blunt, since DC actually, or at least reportedly, offered more to Mark T******a than the Red Sox were willing to put on the table...)
...But it all started back in October 21, 2008, in an article entitled, "For Johnson, injuries may linger into '09", where MLB.com's Bill Ladson wrote:
"Whether they go out and spend a lot of money on a free agent such as Mark Teixeira remains to be seen. They most likely will have to trade for a player such as Brewers first baseman Prince Fielder."
That one surely caught my attention, but it wasn't until October 27th's edition of MLB.com's Bill Ladson's, "Mailbag: Looking at Lannan's future", that I started to really wonder, when Mr. Ladson again made mention of Fielder's name in response to a question about the chances DC had of signing Mark T- - x - - - a, with Mr. Ladson stating:
"I assume the Nationals would have to break the bank to sign Teixeira, and I don't see them doing that. I think they have to trade for a first baseman, such as the Brewers' Prince Fielder."
(ed. note - "Now I hate to interrupt here...but, Why the possessive apostrophe for "Brewers' Prince Fielder" and not "Brewers first baseman Prince Fielder"? Someone? Please tell me?")
I initially rejected the notion of Washington trading for Prince Fielder for fear of what the Nationals would have to give up to get him, especially after the DC Front Office had spent the last few years rebuilding the franchise's supply of prospects, and pitching talent in particular, (...and that's just what FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal is proposing it would take to land Fielder...plus, whether DC even has the kind of arms in the organization that could interest Milwaukee is debatable), but after Mr. Ladson's two comments, I decided to keep an eye on the (non-)situation...
...A few weeks later, another MLB.com writer, Alden Gonzalez, had a post at MLB.com's Hot Stove Blog entitled, "Nationals shopping for hitters" referring readers to a Boston Globe article which claimed an "unnamed source" had said that DC GM Jim Bowden, "...has called numerous teams to ask about the availability of their best hitters." The Boston Globe article in question was a piece by the Globe's Nick Carfado entitled, "On the coast, it's very clear", where Mr. Carfado wrote, (in the sentences preceding Mr. Gonzalez's quoted text):
"...GM Jim Bowden has been very aggressive, acquiring Olsen and Willingham, and making a push for Teixeira - and if that doesn't work out, Adam Dunn..."
My own response at the time, (which I still stick by today):
"'San Diego, with Adrian Gonzalez? Milwaukee for Prince Fielder?...Who is DC GM Jim Bowden calling? (ed. note - 'Ahh...just buy yourself a Washington/Dunn jersey already, DC fans, you know that's what it will come to...')"
It hasn't come to that yet, (though Adam Dunn is still unsigned)...Adrian Gonzalez will most likely stay in San Diego as one of the few valuable assets left...(especially if Peavy's finally moved)...for the Padres' prospective new owner. Washington will probably try to go it again with Nick Johnson and Dmitri Young...Would you even want Washington to trade for Prince Fielder if Milwaukee would consider it? Would you give up some of the top pitching prospects like Jordan Zimmerman or Ross Detwiler, Shairon Martis or Collin Balester, or one of DC's young outfielders like Justin Maxwell or Leonard Davis if it could help bring the Son of Cecil to DC?...
So this is probably just what I initially described it as...a bit of unsolicited advice from FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal to the Brewers' GM...It can't be the truth, right? MLB.com's Bill Ladson can't see into the future can he? This can't be true...or to paraphrase the narrator from the brilliant opening sequence of Paul Thomas Anderson's "Magnolia"...Let's just hope this is "one of things", a couple coincidental rumors... but any speculation about DC's Nationals actually trading away top prospects for the Brewers' first baseman Prince Fielder can't be true...this please, cannot be that.
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sorry
i just don’t see it. i never did, i still don’t. they gave up Matt LaPorta for Teixeira, for crying out loud. THAT’s the type of guy(s) they’ll want for Fielder. and, um, we don’t have anyone with LaPorta’s pedigree.
Your voice of doom and gloom.
by Dave at Nats News Network on
Jan 13, 2009 11:57 PM EST
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Agreed, Milwaukee would have to be crazy...
Even if it was a possibility, I don’t think anyone of DC’s prospects are high-profile enough to allow Milwaukee to pull this one off and still have a fanbase left…nor would I want to part with any of the pitchers in the system…for a player who is bound to have back problems…
I think DC’s going into the ’09 season with the team it has…(maybe w/ Dunn)
"Nothin' wrong with my leg, I'm just B-boy limpin'" - MCA
by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 1:02 AM EST
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"Magnolia" was a good movie.
Much better than “Steel Magnolias,” in my opinion. Son o’ Cecil: career 278/370/533 (130 OPS+), good for 30ish HR and 100ish RBI. Strikes out about 50% more often than he walks, but still has 100 points of isolated patience. Well above average range factor (a big guy, hard to miss at the corner…) but low RZR (stuff gets by him). What would we give up for a bat like that? We’ve been building up a pile of arms, but we don’t have enough that are mature or nearly so to start trading off the good ones, even for Prince—and it’d take the good ones, I imagine.
(Interestingly, Adam Dunn’s batting line is almost identical, except that he hits a few more HR and has more walks and strike outs than Fielder.)
"Next year we'll make it better." -- Mannyger Acta
by Doghouse on
Jan 14, 2009 12:05 AM EST
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Dunn...
A post at the SBN’s Mariners site, Lookout Landing, entitled, “Adam Dunn Doesn’t Want To Play Baseball Next Season”, quotes a source that says Dunn wants 4-years, and he still considers himself an outfielder…
So he wants to a 4-year deal, wants to play for a winner, and wants to be in the outfield(as in, not at first)…Why do I still think Dunn ends up in DC?
I’m a fan of the Son of Cecil, but don’t think he’s right for DC…
"Nothin' wrong with my leg, I'm just B-boy limpin'" - MCA
by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 1:07 AM EST
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Doghouse...?
If you have a minute, send a quick email over through my profile, I have a stat-related offer for you that you might be interested in…
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by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 2:13 PM EST
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Mmmmm...Inside information. Very, very interesting.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 14, 2009 4:29 PM EST
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I've got some more "inside information" coming tonight...
…??? Draft related is the only hint…
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by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 6:07 PM EST
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I'll be waitin (rubbing hands together frantically)
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 14, 2009 6:17 PM EST
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You'll get the scoop now then, and you can read it again later...
Eric SanInocencio from Baseball Digest Daily, a weekly podcast, wrote me earlier this week to let me know he’d be interviewing Stephen Strasburg, prospective #1 pick in this year’s draft for a College Preview podcast, and he’s conducted the interview which will air next week, and maybe give us an idea of what Washington will be getting if they do choose the San Diego State hurler #1 overall in ’09…(should be interesting)…
"Nothin' wrong with my leg, I'm just B-boy limpin'" - MCA
by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 6:25 PM EST
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Sweet! Thanks for the scoop.
Speaking of the draft, I’d like to get your opinion on something. Which do you think benefits prospective/future-great players better?
- To be drafted right out of high school and sent to the minors for his future major league work?
or - To attend college, play ball there for four years and then make his way into “the bigs”?
I’m assuming many Latin players don’t have a choice and they seem to excel at the Major League level at the age of 19/20. Ex: Andruw Jones. Is college that beneficial for a prospective-great player?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 14, 2009 6:38 PM EST
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With respect to Bill Ladsen and his inconsistent use of the apostrophe.
Before I even begin with that, I just want to say: Nothing makes a reader want to continue reading an article like an opening statement that is humorous. To wit:
Part One: In which I spin a small story into a wild post full of speculative rumor-mongering and piecemeal logic…
Now, back to the mysterious apostrophe. I don’t think Ladsen needs an Oxford English Dictionary, I just think he needs it to be pointed out to him that he’s going to have to commit to using the apostrophe or not using it. When applying the apostrophe to a possessive noun that ends in the letter s, (remaining singular), is it mandatory for an apostrophe to be placed after the s? In the aforementioned case, is it understood that it is possessive? Is it up to the writer how they want to incorporate the apostrophe (I’m assuming not, for if it were the English language would be mutilated more than it already is).
O.K. Mr. Lit. I await thee for the correct answer.
*Personally, I have more problems with the comma.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 14, 2009 4:38 PM EST
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You have problems with the comma and you're still reading this blog? (lollolololololol)...Just kidding, Lou...
…i’ll just say that as someone with a degree in literature and secondary education, i feel i’ve earned the right to craft run-on after run-on sentence since I was forced to use commas correctly for all those years, now I just use them to “score”(as in musical scores) my writing so that it reads exactly as I want it to be read, rules of usage be darned…
As for the possessive apostrophes, I’m not just picking on Mr. Ladson, if I keep mentioning them, you’ll start to notice that they’re misused or simply omitted everywhere…It’s just one of those things I find amusing, and then I use them inappropriately on purpose all the time to amuse myself as well…what can I say, I’m a semantic jerk, but how else are we Literature majors supposed to have fun…
By the way, a message for the kids…
Literature Majors are useless…(the certificate, not the individuals…)
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by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 6:18 PM EST
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Regardless of how you denigrate yourself, I still enjoy your writing / blog.
I can’t speak to the earning potential (or lack thereof) of a Lit. degree, however, I can speak to an appreciation for those who teach it and can provide a way in which to make it palpable for the young and the not so young.
For some strange reason, in the middle of my sophomore year in high school I was taken out of a basic English class and thrown into an AP (advanced placement) English Lit. course. I was an underachiever (and lazy) so I had no idea why they did that, they just did. (That’s the kind of education system they have down there south of the Mason Dixon line).
The teacher was a prick but he challenged the hell out of us to find meaning in what we were reading. That’s what I liked, the challenge. Sometimes I wonder why they did this with the books they assigned for reading because teenagers don’t know a damned thing. How can teenagers possibly relate, and to a greater extent, explain subject matter in which they have little to no experience with?
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 14, 2009 6:32 PM EST
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Thanks, Lou...
I got the teaching degree along with the Lit, because I do enjoy teaching, sharing ideas, etc., but after spending some time teaching in a high school, I decided to try my hand at writing for a while, knowing I can always go back…(Plus, you basically have to be a dancing monkey to keep teenagers interested these days, and i’m more of a laid back sort of fellow…)…
"Nothin' wrong with my leg, I'm just B-boy limpin'" - MCA
by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 7:21 PM EST
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kissyface and the gang
does anyone want to talk about baseball…
nothing wrong with my keyboard just yellow b buzzing the blog
if Rice made it…there is home for Zimm
by Mr Sparkay on
Jan 14, 2009 7:49 PM EST
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Hi, Mr. Sparkay...
If there was something Nationals-related to talk about, I’d love to…
"Nothin' wrong with my leg, I'm just B-boy limpin'" - MCA
by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 7:51 PM EST
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Back on topic then.
I’m beginning to think that the Nats (and it seems everyone else, but the Nats more so) seem to be content with what they’ve acquired through free agency and / or trades.
Are the Nationals finished? I know in Metropolitans land, people are awful p.o.’d about losing Lowe to a NL East rival. The Mets still need to make a move or moves. Manny, Dunn, O-Dawg, Sheets, Perez. What other names are out there?
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 14, 2009 9:14 PM EST
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well
The nats have a future top of the rotation pitchers in zimmermann and lannan. And i’m sure they’ll select another top college starter for their first round choice (and sign him the money since they lost Aaron Crow, big mistake)
it depends on their price range. Bowden said that really only texiera was the player he was willing to splurge money on. And if it’s true Dunn wants to be an OF, and his price range is already high, i don’t see him coming to DC. I think the nats should get shelley duncan (DFA from the yankees) or josh phelps (minor league FA) at least for a bargain bin 1B/OF replacement/power off the bench
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)
by cardwash on
Jan 14, 2009 10:17 PM EST
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Do you really think the NY Mets are going to open Citi Field...
…with Fernando Tatis or Daniel Murphy starting in left?…and Manny on the market?
Here’s the solution, NY. Sign Manny for left, put Murphy at second, find another pitcher right quick.
NY and Manny are the next best thing to LA and Manny, where he should st…
(uh, excuse me for a minute, I just saw Tim Redding in a Mets’ cap and threw up in my mouth…he’s in the video on the Mets’ official site…)
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by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 10:46 PM EST
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LO...Wait, due to the nom de rigeur (feel free to correct my French) of that OTHER blog I participate in, LOLing is frowned upon. (God love 'em!)
Ah “E”, you make it sound so simple. If you only knew the nuances (some would say stupidity) of Omar Minaya.
1. If they waited too long for Lowe, they’ll wait too long for Manny.
2. Because someone lives by this creed: “Highly paid players (no matter how lousy they are) will not ride the pine.” 2nd baseman, Castillo. You want what most of us want. Murph @ 2nd.
3. Wasn’t Manny raised or didn’t he live in NY? That makes NY and Manny much better than LA and Manny.
Where I’m from, throwing up in your mouth is affectionately known as a mustard burp.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 14, 2009 11:44 PM EST
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You know what?
That sounds like a good new signature.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 14, 2009 11:45 PM EST
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I remembered they were saddled with Castill right after I wrote that...
…but I remembered that they had D. Murphy playing second in the AFL, which surprised me until I looked into his history…
I probably agree with the AA crowd when it comes to the “text” talk, but all my friends get mad that I spell everything out in email, so I don’t care how people choose to “talk” here, as long as there’s talking…
I think Manny grew up closer to another NY team…and don’t think that isn’t where I think he eventually ends up…
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by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 11:51 PM EST
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...and by "Castill"...
…I of course mean, “Castillo” aka “The Albatross” or Johan’s Pal…
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by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 11:52 PM EST
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...and trust me...
…after having Omar as Montreal’s GM, I know all about his work…
You’re welcome, Cleveland.
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by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 11:55 PM EST
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meh double post
the Nationals are a team that will be good with in-house talent (similar to A’s, Twins, Marlins) and will occationally sign a FA but normally one that’s coming off a bad season/trying to bounce back because of the way players view the nats as a team, over the last few years, going nowhere. They are not going to be a team that gets the big name free agents to bolster the team (ala yankees, mets, redsox, angels) until they produce a winning record and get out of the NL east cellar.
now granted everyone thought the Rays were the same way but they shined last year and hopefully if they’re not a one year wonder team (ala white sox 05, tigers 06) and if they aren’t, it’s a good sign for the Nats with their prospects.
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)
by cardwash on
Jan 14, 2009 10:23 PM EST
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New math...
Nationals + Cardinals = Nationals…
I’m alright with Washington being one of the 26 teams that don’t get the big name free agents…
But i’d like to at least see the Nationals compete for…even the Wild Card would be nice, but the Playoffs, any way they can get there…
"Nothin' wrong with my leg, I'm just B-boy limpin'" - MCA
by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 14, 2009 10:53 PM EST
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Any way they can get there?
I’m thinking blackmail. Who has some incriminating photos of Bud Selig?
"Next year we'll make it better." -- Mannyger Acta
by Doghouse on
Jan 15, 2009 8:13 PM EST
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Ask and ye shall receive

" Where I'm from, throwing up in your mouth is affectionately known as a mustard burp. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 15, 2009 11:05 PM EST
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That's scandalous!!!!...just take his name out of the image title so every google doesn't lead here...Just kidding...
…like your Homey the Clown image from a year ago, Lou…believe it or not it generates ridiculous visits…just weird out there…
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by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 15, 2009 11:14 PM EST
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Oh my. Homey the clown.
That was eons ago.
W/respect to fear of connecting links. On a whim one day, I typed in LOUtheMETSfan into the Google search window and I was actually quite pissed to see that it immediately directed me to my profile. Nothing like being bared in public.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jan 16, 2009 12:09 AM EST
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Ugh...I don't like that either...just did the same...
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by Ed Chigliak on
Jan 16, 2009 1:06 AM EST
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