Tuesday Nats Stats--the inevitable density of Adam Dunn
Yes, I meant, 'density,' not, 'destiny.'
With the unavoidable talk of Big Wilkie coming to DC, what would the impact be? Well, this shows the fun of the W.A.R. spreadsheet--we can plug in Dunn's numbers and see how it changes our expected wins! What is the statistical case for (or against!) Dunn-K?
The shocking statistical conclusions after the jump!
UPDATED! Since the original post, I added a comparison of how Dunn would change things if NJ misses the entire season. I also added an estimate of Willingham's fielding runs to the original calculation.
We all know the upside of Adam Dunn. He's a "guaranteed" 40 HR/100 RBI. He strikes out a lot, but he walks a lot, too--a real "three true outcomes" (BB, K, HR) player. Where do we put him, though? The obvious choice is 1B, where we minimize (we hope) his defensive weaknesses, and his bat is a little bigger than the fragile NJ's (even if his OBP is lower). There have been rumors that Dunn wants the OF, which would mean LF, where he would displace Josh WIllingham in our current projection. Here are the Marcels batting projections for Dunn and the people I currently have pencilled in at LF and 1B:
Player OBP SLG OPS
Adam Dunn .374 .497 .870
Nick Johnson .394 .464 .858
Josh Willingham .355 .453 .808
Ronnie Belliard .333 .420 .753
Dmitri Young .352 .435 .788
Willie Harris .337 .397 .734
Dunn is a clear improvement over anyone he'd replace in terms of offense--although not that much of an improvement over NJ. Of course, we also have to project his impact on the defense. CHONE has projections of how many runs a player will save/cost you in 2009, and here they are for the same set of players (<0 means player costs you runs, >0 means player saves you runs):
Player 1B LF
Adam Dunn -6 -13
Nick Johnson +3 n/a
Josh Willingham -3 -8
Ronnie Belliard +1 n/a
Dmitri Young -9 n/a
Willie Harris n/a +14
Okay, Dunn is better with the glove than Da Meathook, but that's hardly anyone's standard for fielding excellence (and I realize that technically I had Hammer with some time at 1B, but CHONE doesn't have IF projections for him (UPDATE--I gave him a value of -4 runs, since that's just under what Kory Casto has at 1B, and he's slightly worse than Casto in the OF--yeah, I know they're different skill sets, but it's good for a rough guess.)). Now let's figure out how this changes the lineup. Dunn is durable, so we'll give him 590 PA in either LF or 1B. I'm not sure what happens to the roster if we get him, so I'm going to assume that if he's a 1B, we trade Nick somehow. If he's a LF, Hammer becomes 5th OF and backs up 1B "when" NJ gets hurt. So we're talking either:
- LF: Dunn (590), Willingham (105) or
- 1B: Dunn (590), Belliard (55), Young (50)
In either case, the rest of the lineup is like the current W.A.R. spreadsheet in terms of playing time.
So, what happens? I made a new copy of the W.A.R. spreadsheet and plugged in Big Wilkie, as above. Here it is. There are three worksheets, one without Dunn-K, one with him at 1B, and one with him in LF.
Here's the upshot (updated with Hammer's 1B fielding value):
- Nats without Dunn: 74.9 wins
- Nats with Dunn-1B: 74.5 wins
- Nats with Dunn-LF: 75.4 wins
WTF?! Big Wilkie only gets us half a game in LF, and costs us half a game at first? It makes sense: take a look at who he's replacing! Dunn is a more of a slugger than NJ, but not even Dunn gets on base as much as Discerning-Eyed Nick Johnson. In sabremetrics, OBP gets more runs than SLG, so it turns out that NJ and Big Wilkie have the same expected run production! Dunn is better than the people who fill in "when" NJ gets hurt, but his stone hands cost almost a full game over the soft-gloved Johnson. His bat can't overcome it.
The story is different in LF (which surprises me--I thought 1B would be the better fit). Here, he's only about half a game worse with the glove than The Hammer, and his bat is a full game better in terms of extra runs. (As an aside, Dunn's exact value in 590 PA in LF is 1.9 Wins Above Replacement (WAR). Willie Harris, thanks to his speed and insanely sticky hands, is worth 2.0 WAR in LF with 590 PA...)
Chicks dig the long ball, I know, but the numbers like someone who can field*, as well (it's not the strikeouts that hurt, it's the terrible range). According to the stats, Dunn ain't worth it even if we get him for free. (Of course, if NJ pulls up lame in mid-April, Dunn looks way more useful. But if Nick lasts past the All-Star break, it's a wash.)
Am I missing something, here? Even though numbers don't lie, they can be misleading--what makes Dunn worth it (besides our NJ health fears)?
UPDATE--What if NJ breaks before Opening Day?
Nats News Network pointed out in the comments that JimBo is probably comparing Dunn to a lineup with a broken NJ, so I thought I'd try the same exercise. My "worst case no-NJ Nats" lineup takes away NJ's 400 PA, and replaces them with 300 PA from Kory Casto, and 100 extra 1B PA for the Hammer. TAWH picks up Hammer's missed LF PA, and gives up the 55 PA I gave him backing up Zimmy at 3B to Alberto Gonzalez. (I also took a guess at Hammer's 1B fielding value as -3 runs.)
This lineup is the Robot Apocalypse: 72.3 wins.
We plug Dunn in at 1B, and it's just like above, 74.5 wins. However, if Big Wilkie insists on playing LF, we'll figure Hammer takes most of the time at 1B, with TAWH backing up LF. This lineup is 74.4 wins. (If we get a 2006 NJ who gives us 590 PA, the Nats get 75.4 wins without Dunn!)
Bottom line: if NJ is healthy (or even mostly healthy), Dunn adds nothing, and might even cost us a win. If NJ gets hurt during Spring, Dunn adds 2 wins.
Here's the "broken NJ" spreadsheet if you're interested in the breakouts.
* Dunn had a decent year in the field in 2008, although he was firmly in the bottom half of NL LFers with the glove in 2004-2007. By comparison, CHONE projects Ex-Nat Alfonso Soriano (whom I personally instructed in proper fielding from my CF seats in RFK in 2006 YOU GOTTA CHARGE THOSE, YOU LAZY BUM!) to be worth -2 runs in LF in 2009, vs Dunn's -13.
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interesting...
but you should compare Dunn’s numbers to Ronnie Belliard, Kory Casto, Carlos Baerga, Paul LoDuca and the other stiffs that will play first base when Johnson breaks down again if they don’t sign Dunn.
i’m sure Jim Bowden has already run the numbers.
sigh.
Your voice of doom and gloom.
by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 21, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You raise a valid (and disturbing) point.
I think I’ll do another comparison of Dunn vs. Nats w/Broken NJ. I’m already assuming only 400 PA for NJ, but what if we end up with 0?
By the way, Dave, I’d like to hear your take on the W.A.R. lineup so far—any adjustments? What would you propose in the way of a rotation?
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by Doghouse on Jan 21, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It won't be Paul LoDuca
He’s w/the Marlins.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 21, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance we can get these #'s on Bowden's desk?
Baerga, Dave? Please no…or I’ll start a Bring Back Boone Blog!
Doghouse? You should have told soriANO!!! that in addition to charging balls, it’s alright to take a few pitches…
Thanks for proving with #‘s what I’ve been saying…Dunn isn’t going to make the difference in DC, so spend on Strasburg, Zimmerman and the future…
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by Ed Chigliak on Jan 21, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sori couldn't hear me at the plate from CF...
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by Doghouse on Jan 21, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This post is just another reason for the National League to install the DH.
Please. No ridicule now. I’m enjoying a 5 Guys burger, fries and a coke. I don’t want to start arguing that point until after I’ve digested this fine meal.
Doghouse – How much emphasis can we place on these fancy stats? What I’m asking is; Have they been proven right in the past? Are they reliable figures for how players/teams have performed? If they are, then what you’re saying has merit. And if Dunn doesn’t improve the chances of the Nats, even if he were for free, then by all means, the point is moot and the Nats should follow “E’s” advice and concentrate on the future.
Doghouse – How many more wins would be projected for the Nats if you plugged him (Dunn) into a hypothetical DH role for the Nats? I’m just curious.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 21, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I won't ridicule you now, Lou. Enjoy your lunch...
…but the DH stinks. I like by baseball pure.
No time to argue now either, stuck at work, on iPhone and it’s too hard to express ALL Caps anger…
I’m gonna make like a tree, and get out of here… – Biff
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by Ed Chigliak on Jan 21, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...and by "by baseball" I of course mean "my baseball"
Stupid iPhone always “core-ecting me!”
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by Ed Chigliak on Jan 21, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Slave to the device my friend?
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 21, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Several devices...
My desktop, my laptop, my iPhone, and my XM receiver…
But at least I’ve used them to find people to talk to about the Nationals, which I never had with the Expos, so I takes the goods with the bads…
I don’t remember life before my iPhone…Was it fun?
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by Ed Chigliak on Jan 21, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The DH is an abomination.
However, we can certainly plug “Dunn-K” into a hypothetical DH spot. It’s a little confusing what that means, though—if the Nats suddenly have a DH, they’ll crush the NL. If we convert them to an AL team, all the projected stats will be slightly off. Anyhow, just for fun: I took the current W.A.R. projection lineup, gave Dunn 590 PA as DH (Da Meathook got the rest), and converted the Nats to an AL team. They win 79.5 games instead of 74.9. Of course, what do we compare this to? The Marcels projections are all based on NL pitching, and the pitching stats are based on NL hitting—all of them would probably be worse in an AL team. I don’t think we learn anything by doing this. I suppose we can give Dunn all 340 PH (although it’s impossible to have more than 162 PH in a season…), and doing that gives us 76 wins instead of 74.9. The moral of the story? BAN THE DH!
(Are the stats reliable? They’re as good as the assumptions you put into them—if Dunn hits way better than we project, then he might be worth it.)
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by Doghouse on Jan 21, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aw shucks!
Makes no sense to put Dunn in as a hypothetical DH in a league that doesn’t honor the DH. Thanks for trying anyway.
One question. You don’t consider a pitcher a wasted AB / PA? Pitchers completely suck at hitting, so why let them hit?
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 21, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's only a wasted at bat if he doesn't use it to bunt/advance runners, somehow produce...
…when Jason Bergmann comes up, it’s a wasted AB for sure…
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by Ed Chigliak on Jan 21, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess Doghouse has another reason to impress us with his stats
O.K. Doghouse, get to it! Let’s see the numbers on how well pitchers produce w/the bat. I’ll take the under – regardless of what the estimated number is.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 21, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hee, hee--the W.A.R. spreadsheet ignores pitchers' hitting entirely.
The calculations assume that pitcher PA are all wasted. AL teams get credit for more PA during the season as a result. AL teams get 9 × 695 PA (695 for each position player plus the DH) while NL teams get 8 × 695 PA (695 for each position player) plus 340 for PHers (and nothing for pitchers… NL teams get 350 fewer PA per season in the model that the W.A.R. spreadsheet uses).
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by Doghouse on Jan 22, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 22, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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