Pitching for W.A.R.
Pitching is the last major piece of constructing our projected Wins Above Replacement (W.A.R.) for the 2009 season. I freely admit to being even more clueless, stats-wise, about pitching than I am about hitting, fielding, and baserunning. Of course, I'm not going to let that stop me from trying to come up with a projection, especially with your help! Think about who you think will be in the rotation and bullpen, how much they'll pitch, and how well they'll do. Then leave your ideas in the comments! A few ideas and projected numbers after the jump.
(And if you're not interested in the stats, skip the blocks of numbers and leave a comment about who you think will be pitching for us... I need all the help I can get, here.)
Nats Pitching in 2008
Here are what Nats pitchers did last season. I dropped people who've left the club (Tim Redding) or who seem unlikely to be back in the bigs (Matt Chico, Mike O'Connor). Some good spots, some bad...
Player G ERA IP K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 WHIP ERA+
John Lannan 31 3.91 182 5.8 3.6 1.6 1.1 1.341 112
Odalis Perez 30 4.34 159 6.7 3.1 2.2 1.2 1.484 101
Jay Bergmann 30 5.09 139 6.2 3 2 1.6 1.432 86
Collin Balester15 5.51 80 5.6 3.2 1.8 1.4 1.5 79
Shawn Hill 12 5.83 63.3 5.5 3.3 1.7 0.7 1.754 75
Saul Rivera 76 3.96 84 7 3.8 1.9 0.3 1.488 111
Joel Hanrahan 69 3.95 84.3 9.9 4.5 2.2 1 1.364 111
Jesus Colome 61 4.31 71 7 4.9 1.4 0.8 1.408 102
Steven Shell 39 2.16 50 7.4 3.6 2.1 0.9 1.08 203
Garrett Mock 26 4.17 41 10.1 5 2 0.9 1.463 105
Shairon Martis 5 5.66 20.7 10 5.2 1.9 2.2 1.449 77
Mike Hinckley 14 0 13.7 5.9 2 3 0 0.803
Marco Estrada 11 7.82 12.7 7.1 3.5 2 2.8 1.732 56
Tyler Clippard 2 4.35 10.3 7 6.1 1.1 1.7 1.845 101
Best last year was John "Cool Hand" Lannan, posting an impressive sub-4 ERA. Of course, his "peripherals" (strikeout and walk rates) are below average--2008 may have been a lucky year for him, in spite of his league-trailing run support from the Nats' bats. There's some hope, though--plenty of Nats pitchers posted good peripherals: "Wild" Joel Hanrahan managed nearly 10 K's per 9 IP and more than 2 Ks per BB; Shairon Martis and Garret Mock matched those figures (albeit in only a few IP). Saul "Sa-ooool" Rivera was particularly stingy with the dingers, giving up only 0.3 per 9 IP (league average is 1 HR/9--the rest of the staff is average-to-bad on this stat). League average is about 7 K/9 and 2 K/BB.
Projections of 2009
Here are what Marcels and CHONE say Nats pitchers will do, ERA-wise, in 2009:
Name CHONE Marcel
Jay Bergmann 4.50 4.64
Daniel Cabrera 4.40 5.00
Tyler Clippard 4.60 4.57
Jesus Colome 4.57 4.23
Joel Hanrahan 3.93 4.38
Shawn Hill 4.26 4.46
John Lannan 4.59 4.06
Garrett Mock 4.31 4.14
C. Balester 4.92 4.64
Shairon Martis 4.99 4.36
Marco Estrada 4.98 4.65
J. Zimmermann 5.16 n/a
Steven Shell 3.86 3.51
Mike Hinckley 5.18 3.66
Scott Olsen 4.78 4.45
Saul Rivera 3.87 4.09
The points of disagreement are interesting. Marcels has Cabrera (about whom I'm a little skeptical) much worse than CHONE. However, Marcels assumes he's pitching in the AL, while CHONE (correctly) has him in the "easier" NL--is this the difference? Both have Hill being serviceable-to-good (cross your fingers for his forearm!), but Lannan is another disagreement. Here, Marcels is projecting off of his good 2008, while CHONE is modifying those numbers with his below-average "peripherals" that I mentioned above. The two systems disagree on the younger players, as CHONE looks at some minor league data and the peripheral stats, while Marcels is projecting lucky or unlucky results based on limited time in the majors (Marcel doesn't even project Jordan "No, the one with two 'n's" Zimmermann, since he's never pitched in the bigs). I'm leaning toward the CHONE ERA projections, with modifications as you guys suggest.
Rotation
Who's our ace? At this point, looks like John Lannan will get the nod. Olsen seems likely for the two-spot. After that? Well, Balester, then a revolving muddle of some combination of Shawn Hill, Jordan Zimmermann, Jason Bergmann, Daniel Cabrera, and Shairon Martis. It'll depend on health and performance, and I don't have a good feel for how to fill out the bottom of the rotation.
For the purposes of the W.A.R. projection, we need to come up with 940 IP by starters. I figure Lannan and Olsen will probably stay in the rotation all year, and be good for 170ish IP. Colin "5-inning" Balester gets 130. As an entering argument, I'm just going to split up the rest of the innings evenly among the other five and hope that you guys have a better idea:
John Lannan 170
Scott Olsen 170
Colin Balester 130
Daniel Cabrera 94
Shawn Hill 94
J. Bergmann 94
J. Zimmermann 94
Shairon Martis 94
Bullpen
Oh, boy, this looks to be another mess. Well, I think we can agree on "Wild" Joel Hanrahan as closer and Rivera as setup guy. (The W.A.R. spreadsheet wants to know the "leverage" of your pitchers, which is a measure of how often they pitch in important situations: closers have a higher value than mop-up guys, with starters being neutral.) Steven Shell seems likely for 7th-inning guy, with some combination of Garret Mock, Mike Hinckley, Marco Estrada, and whoever falls off the rotation into the bullpen (Martis? Bergmann?) handling the middle/long relief. Jesus Colome was invited to Spring Training, so I'll pencil him in as mop-up guy for laughs.
To fill in the W.A.R. spreadsheet, we need to come up with 505 IP by relievers. As a starting guess, I'm going to say we have a save situation a bit less than half the time, so 70 IP each for Hanny/Saooool. I'm clueless on what to do with the rest, so I'm going to split it up evenly. That gives us this breakdown of IP:
Joel Hanrahan 70 (closer)
Saul Rivera 70 (setup)
Steven Shell 61 (7th inning)
Garret Mock 61
Jason Bergmann 60
Mike Hinckley 61
Marco Estrada 61
Jesus Colomoe 61 (mop up)
Are you kidding?
Sadly, no. This is really the best I can do, so please, help a fella out! What do you think the rotation should look like? Who should be in the bullpen, and in what role? How many innings will our starters last? (Heh, we should probably give the bullpen more IP than the spreadsheet calls for, given recent seasons' problems getting to the 6th inning...)
W.A.R. Update
Combined with our previous lineup for position players, this rotation/bullpen gives us just over a 50% chance of winning 76 games in 2009 (and I've switched to the CHONE projections of batting in the WAR spreadsheet, mainly because the guys at Beyond the Boxscore seem to like it).
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Terrell Young
Does anyone know anything about the Rule 5 pick Terrell Young? I’d probably pencil him in for at least 40IP as well
by dcGamecock on Jan 23, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Flipping through my pack o' stats...
…Terrell Young, 23, rule 5 pick from the Reds (dammit, JimBo, I thought we were only taking Arizona prospects now!)? In 2008, he pitched in relief and had 26 K, 13 BB, 1.31 WHIP, 2.41 ERA in 33.2 IP at High-A, plus 21 K, 15 BB, 1.56 WHIP, 3.51 ERA at low-A. I’m not convinced that’s ready for Prime Time, but if he’s gotta stay up…
"Next year we'll make it better." -- Mannyger Acta
by Doghouse on Jan 23, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CHONE 2009 projects a 6.58 ERA for him in the bigs, with 26 IP.
(Not that IP from the projections really mean anything.)
"Next year we'll make it better." -- Mannyger Acta
by Doghouse on Jan 23, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither set of projected ERA's has one DC starter under a 4.06 ERA...?
(…starts thinking about available free agent pitchers…)
"Nothin' wrong with my leg, I'm just B-boy limpin'" - MCA
by Ed Chigliak on Jan 23, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"After the jump." D-House, did you make that up? I love it.
Hey man, what’s the drop dead date for getting you our projections? I’m up to my eye-balls in work (my eyeballs actually hurt). Due to my lack of knowldege about this roster, I’m only going to be able to provide you with stat based (objective) ideas. I don’t have a feeling on any of these flamethrowers or junk-tossers.
" PLEASE! CHANGE THE PATCH! "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 23, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I picked up "after the jump" from some blog or another--not original to me by any means.
You have until Opening Day to make your suggestions. Well, let’s say the week before Opening Day to give me time to make tweaks. Of course, I’d appreciate anything that anyone can send sooner… ;) I’ll be updating the Official Nats W.A.R. Projection often during the run up to the start of the season.
"Next year we'll make it better." -- Mannyger Acta
by Doghouse on Jan 23, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rah-Jah!
I’ll have it in way earlier than that.
" PLEASE! CHANGE THE PATCH! "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 23, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, I've neglected to do this for long enough...
DC’s ’09 Starting Rotation… (940 IP total)
1. John Lannan – (170IP)
2. Scott Olsen – (180 IP)
3. Collin Balester – (150 IP)
4. Daniel Cabrera – (170 IP)
5. Jordan Zimmerman (94 IP)
Shawn Hill (88 IP), Jason Bergmann (88 IP) could very well take Zimmermann or Cabrera’s spot, but i’m betting Hill makes spot starts again, and Bergmann transitions to the bullpen if he stays on with DC. From what I read, Zimmermann has the spot to lose, everyone seems high on this kid from the scouts to the DC FO…
DC Bullpen – (505 IP total)
Middle –
Jesus Colome (65 IP)
Marco Estrada (65 IP)
Steven Shell (65 IP)
Set-Up –
Garrett Mock (80 IP)
Saul Rivera (80 IP)
Mike Hinckley (75 IP)
Closer – "Wild" Joel Hanrahan (75 IP) for as long as he can hold it…
"Nothin' wrong with my leg, I'm just B-boy limpin'" - MCA
by Ed Chigliak on Jan 25, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Nats are gonna' need a bigger boat.
Dear Lord – The average age of my starting lineup is; 24.4yrs (not counting J. Zimmerman). That’s one young a$$ rotation. I guess I understand the interest in Glavine now.
My Lineup / IP / Age:
1. Lannan……….185……….23
2. Olsen*………….205……….23 (I believe he will shoulder the load and stand out among all.)
3. Cabrera………185……….27
4. Balester………160……….22
5. Hill / J. Zimm..80 / 90….27 / 33
- Bergmann contributes 80 IP.
Starting Rotation Total: 985
After that brother? Whew! Clueless. Don’t know if this is even going to help. I’m wondering. Where does Martis and Detwiler fit into all of this? The one thing I do believe is that, the Nats will produce more runs this season, the starting rotation would actually pitch a few more innings individually as a result.
I can’t help but think that the Acta and the rest of the coaching staff are going to let these guys go out there and work. I think this is a discovery year to see what this rotation can produce. If the front office has no intention of paying attention to free agent arms, they want to try and get the most out of this rotation and the up and comers. So, based on that premise, I think that the rotation is going to end up contributing more innings. Whether that’s to their benefit or detriment remains to be seen.
Good luck.
*That total for Olsen may seem like a lot, but he has averaged 32.3 games a year for the past three years, so I think it’s plausible. I believe he will be the most consistent pitcher among the staff. I think that due to his chip on the shoulder attitude he will take on the role of rotation leader (even though he’s second in the rotation) and he’ll wear the extra innings that the coaching staff demand of him like a badge of honor. I know there is no factual data behind this kind of hyperbole. It’s just my gut I’m going with. Hell, after eight years of “W”, what did you expect from me?
" PLEASE! CHANGE THE PATCH! "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 25, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whoa!
I don’t know why I have J. Zimm’s age @ 33. HUGE clerical error.
…Not that it’s going to make a difference in the outcome of the experiment.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 26, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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