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Washington Nationals: Adam Dunn And Vladimir Guererro Rumors...

MASNSports.com's Phil Wood took Phil Taylor of the Chicago Tribune to task over the weekend about the possible destination Mr. Taylor identifies for LA Angels' free agent outfielder Vladimir Guerrero in a recent article at the Boston Herald.com entitled, "Here are early projections on where top free agents will land",  where he writes that the former Montreal Expos' All-Star could end up returning to the nation's capital:

"Washington has enough money to bring back the eight-time All-Star to his original franchise, making it more acceptable to trade Adam Dunn for some badly needed pitching."

Well...uh...

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The Nationald do need pitching...but...the only Adam Dunn rumor I've heard so far this fall was in an stltoday.com article by St. Louis Post-Dispatch writer Joe Strauss entitled, "Cards say Bay is not a priority" where Mr. Strauss wrote that, "The Cardinals heavily scouted the Washington Nationals before last July's trade deadline and retain interest in outfielders Adam Dunn and Josh Willingham," while also noting that Dunn, "...is entering the final season of a two-year deal that pays him $12 million in 2010," which makes Dunn a good bet to be moved at the deadline if the Nationals don't try to extend him, but as far as trading Dunn before the season starts as they'd have to in order to bring in Guerr...well, why even take the idea seriously, it makes no sense as MASNSports.com's Phil Wood points out:

"Guerrero is a likely future Hall of Famer, coming off a season where he appeared in only 100 games, due to a number of nagging injuries, including a strained pectoral muscle. Out of those games, he played only two in the field, DH'ing in the rest. Most scouts who've seen Guerrero the past couple of years don't believe he can be an effective defensive player anymore, despite his past reputation."

The fact of the matter, as a lot of folks said last winter, is that both Dunn and Guerrero are probably both more suited to a DH role at this point in their respective careers, though Dunn may have extended his NL career a bit with a somewhat successful move to first late last season, but I don't see any way in which Vladi Guerrero makes sense in DC...but as a former Montreal Expos' fan, I'm willing to be convinced...

(ed. note - "By an odd coincidence, and nothing else I assume, Adam Dunn was asked for a quote about the St. Louis Cardinals' two tall starters Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright that played as a soundbite on XM's MLB Home Plate Update last week around the time the NL Cy Young was announced...This is what Dunn had to say about the two right-handers against whom he's hit in 11 of 40 at bats (.275 AVG) with 1 double, 2 HR's, 4 RBI's, 10 walks and 12 K's... Dunn's opinion of Carpenter and Wainwright:

"They're both the exact same. They both have a big devastating curve ball, they have a really good slider, and uh, if they really want to mess you up they'll throw a changeup, so, they, uh, they're the exact same so..." 

"Why Dunn, in particular, was asked, I'm not sure...")

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by RoscoeNats on Nov 23, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

With what little I keep up with the AL, I thought Vad's days as even a DH were coming to an end...

  Hmmm…… no one wanted Dunn last year, so I don’t see anyone wanting him this year for those $$$…
  Hammer popped up on Atlanta’s rumour list again, as they need a RH OF/1B…… This Josh and Adam clog at a playing position is really tiresome. I could possibly be convinced of keeping Josh for 1B after Dunn leaves, but that really should have been tried last year, so the timing is all bad….

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

I think the Dunn naysayers may be ok with 12M for 40/100 now that he almost did it in an actual major league ballpark.

by RoscoeNats on Nov 23, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I gotta admit...I kinda got the feeling that Dunn liked it in DC...

And….I know I’ll regret saying it…but…I think Dunn may actually end up staying around just cause I don’t think Marrero’s ready…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Nov 23, 2009 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

For all my apprehension, I think Dunn will be okay at 1B....

   And I don’t really want find out the hard way if his presence was the reason for Zim’s resurgence with the bat. But I dread another year of the problem of Hammer and Dunn in the same lineup….

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, Dunn's a 38/105 guy now...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Nov 23, 2009 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Cards' writer says........

Joe Strauss: Dunn would be a compelling short-term fit. Tyler Greene and an arm (Boggs/Garcia/Hawksworth) might get it done………

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greenty02.shtml#batting_standard

  SS Greene…..222 / .270 / .324……. 32 ponchados in 108 ABs…

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 23, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we should keep Dunn until a heir is ready.

No great reason to trade him for just anything. He is a productive hitter and unless someone really offers something great(which wont happen) we shouldn’t get rid of him.

Get Oher or Maybin please

by Horcasitas4 on Nov 23, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

In that STL article, it is said if they can't sign Holliday, they won't go after Bay because of defence.....

  $$ aside, I think Dunn is safe with that mindset….

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 23, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep the Big Donkey here!

He was actually pretty good at first…and should be better after a full SP. His long wing span and stretch bailed Zim out a few times on short throws to 1st. Plus I do think Zim gets better pitching with Dunn in the lineup.

As great as Vlad has been (and he’s been GREAT), it’s painful to watch him try to leg out single or that one double in the ALDS. He’s a DH for the rest of his career. He’d make Guz look like a limber speed-demon in the field.

F.O.D. & D. #1(Friend of Dukes and Desmond)

by MissB on Nov 23, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on the wingspan...... I was very happy that Dunn could at least catch the ball...

   Which brings us back that Guz is still the big problem for defence at 2B…. Regarding Vlad, we should be exporting DHs, not bringing them in….

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 23, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i know everyone is trying to talk themselves into Dunn's defense at first

but he was still statistically the worst 1b with more than 20 starts there last year. folks, he was a butcher last year, and will be a butcher whenever he takes the field with a glove in his hand. he’s just not built for it. while he presents a big target for Zim (and others), his lateral movement is that of a baby elephant on roller skates. and he goes backwards on pop-ups like he’s drunk.

the only question is: Does he bring more offense than he takes away from his defense?

one more thing: the idea of lineup “protection” has largely been debunked. it’s conicidence and circumstance that Zim had his best year hitting in front of Dunn. and need i also remind: for two months, Zim hit worse than Kearns (.220/.297/.344 in 249 plate appearances from May 17 – July 24). He hit in front of Dunn for every single one of those plate appearances.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Nov 23, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

The "baby elephant on roller skates" line still has me giggling...

And yes, as you’ve correctly nailed it, I am one of those people trying to talk myself into Dunn’s D at first, just like I tried to talk myself into him on the team, in left…etc…but those HR’s GOSH!! They just go so dern far…

Dunn might directly impact Zim’s #‘s, but with Zim, Dunn, Hammer and Dukes, the Nationals have the most power they’ve ever had in their order….uh…that’s, uh, good…right?

They better get top notch prospects for Dunn…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Nov 23, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But has the concept of protection been debunked in the minds of the old guys the Nats just hired?

  I’d like nothing better than to see Dunn with a bird on his jersey, but I have to repress that possibility in the face of reality, and just convince myself to enjoy typing “Donkey” for another year…

  Just like a tomahawk on Hammer, the new FO will weigh money and fooling fans into buying tickets over anything Fangraphs has to say about it….

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 23, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunn in St. Louis makes 0 sense to me...are they going to put the big lug back in the OF? They have that, uh...Pujols guy at first, right? And no DH last I checked...

What are the Cards thinking if there is any truth to those rumors? And to try for Hammer and Dunn somehow makes less sense…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Nov 23, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

In the Strauss chat last week, it was all about a one year deal to put him in LF....

  Summed up by a Cards’ fan….“We have had some medicore LF so what’s 1-more…”

http://www.stltoday.com/discussions/sports/joe-strauss-live/LD111309942/all

(quotes of note…)
The defensive standard for NL left fielders is currently very low.
…their recent success with marginal defenders at the position.
   I do find it curious that a team in desperate need of a cleanup bat to protect the game’s best hitter would flinch at defensive shortcomings.

   99 problems: Joe in your article today you suggest that the Cards aren’t interested in Bay because of his defense, but later in the same article mention that the cards are interested in Adam Dunn. Do you see the logical inconsistency here?

   Joe Strauss: Bay’s defensive issues are tied loosely to concerns about his knees. He would also require a 4-year commitment. The ChatMeister likes Bay, but no one’s asking. Dunn is indeed rated brutal defensively but requires only a one-year commitment. One does not represent a contradiction in the org’s take on the other.

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 23, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's your nightmare, Dave........

From his chat……

Tom Boswell: Forget Cabrera. Forget $20M contracts. Get used to Dunn. Enjoy Dunn. Appreciate Dunn.

This is what Rizzo said to me about Dunn last week: “Dunn has exceeded all expectations. He’s the consummate teammate. If he goes 0-for-4 or 4-for-4, he’s the same guy. He’s stabilized the clubhouse. He protects Ryan Zimmerman and you can see how that helped him this year. Adam is a legit middle-of-the-order bat by any standard. And, year to year, he’s one of the most consistent players in baseball.”

So, do you think Dunn is going anywhere? (Except first base at Nats Park.) And do you think a contract extension will be worked out next year? (Answer: Yes.)

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 24, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, by the way...

HELLS NO on Vlad. he’s older than dirt.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Nov 23, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Vlad in DC makes no sense...happy as it would make me...

Orlando “$” Cabrera on the other hand…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Nov 23, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you here on Cabrera........ for old times' sake.....

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 23, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Those HR's do go far...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Nov 23, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Bargain shopping after the Dec. 12 non-tender date....

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 24, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm all for ........

 i’m all for ……..trading Dunn to the AL where he belonged last year…and definitely belongs now…..All the non NYY GM’s that brain pharted picking up the best DH in baseball…..need to be taken to the wood shed.

I agree Guerrero looked older than dirt in the playoffs. no interest.

by The Mamba on Nov 23, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

Nats’ Commitment to MLB: The average salary in MLB is over $3 million, yet the Nats, in all years under the Lerners, have NEVER traded for anyone who makes average salary. Willingham is the highest at $2.95 million. How do you interpret this?

Tom Boswell: I think I am on record several times with an interpretation of this!

They keep saying that are going to make trades that add significantly to payroll and help the team. They say it every year. They never do it. Kasten calls it “the secondary market.” If he loves the concept so much, how come it never happens? The only people above him in the organization, last time I checked, were named “Lerner.” Are they stopping it? Have no such trades materialized? Is Stan blowing smoke? I have listed those three options in decreasing order of probability.

Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Nov 24, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

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