Washington Nationals: Winter Meetings Targets...Starting Pitching.
Washington Post writer Dave Sheinin wrote this afternoon, in an article entitled, "Nats aren't expecting hot stove fireworks", about the Washington Nationals' goals for next week's Winter Meetings. Mr. Sheinin restates what the Nationals have been saying all fall and continue to repeat heading into the start of the Meetings on Monday, they want to add, "At least one veteran starting pitcher, at least one reliable veteran reliever, a catcher and perhaps a middle infielder," and are now favoring trades over free agent signings as the avenue through which they'd like to address those needs, but for the first time, Mr. Sheinin identifies some of the pitchers the Nationals are looking at:
"Among the possible targets are pitchers whose contracts their teams are looking to shed, such as Atlanta's Javier Vazquez (one year remaining at $11.5 million), or arbitration-eligible pitchers whose teams need payroll savings, such as Florida's Ricky Nolasco or Detroit's Edwin Jackson."
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The Detroit Tigers, according to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi's 11/11/09 article entitled, "Sources: Tigers open to trading All-Star Jackson", which quotes "multiple major league sources" as the source of the reports, have, "...made Jackson available on the trade market as part of an effort to alleviate their payroll crunch," though Mr. Morosi updated the situation in Detroit today in an update of FOXSports.com's, "Latest Buzz from the MLB offseason", subtitled, "Sources: Tigers not likely to trade Cabrera any time soon", wherein Mr. Morosi writes that though the Tigers probably can't deal Miguel Cabrera for a variety of reasons:
"'If the team dealt Cabrera, team president/general manager Dave Dombrowski would have less motivation to deal starter Edwin Jackson and popular center fielder Curtis Granderson."
But since the Tigers don't think they can contend without Cabrera's power in their lineup, in Mr. Morosi's opinion, "At this point, the sources believe that the Tigers are more likely to trade Jackson and/or Granderson than Cabrera." Jackson, a 26-year-old right-hander originally drafted by the Los Angeles Dodgers, was traded to Tampa Bay in 2006 and then moved to Detroit last December in a Winter Meeting trade that sent outfielder Matt Joyce to the Rays. In his third full season in the majors (7th overall), the right-hander was (13-9) with a 3.62 ERA in 33 starts and 214.0 IP in 2009, over which he posted a 1.26 WHIP, walking 70 (2.9 BB/9) while recording 161 K's (6.8 K/BB) with a (+3.5) WAR value according to Fangraphs.com.
The Atlanta Braves, according to MLB.com's Mark Bowman's blog post entitled, "Wren heading to Indy with a shorter shopping list", will be heading into the Winter Meetings with the intention of, "...finding at least one bat and a suitor that is willing to deal for either Derek Lowe or Javier Vazquez." The Washington Post's Mr. Sheinin points to right-hander Javier Vazquez's 1-year/$11.5 million dollar deal which the Braves would be seeking to shed as the reason the Nationals' might be able to pry the 33-year-old former Montreal Expos' draft pick who's now pitched for the Expos, Yankees, D-Backs and White Sox, away from the Braves, for whom he was (15-10) with a 2.87 ERA in 32 starts and 219.1 IP in 2009, over which he allowed 181 H, 70 ER, 20 HR and 44 walks (1.8 BB/9), while collecting 238 K's (9.8 K/9) and posting a 1.03 WHIP and a (+6.6) WAR rating.
Two days before Mr. Sheinin mentioned the Nationals' interest in the Marlins' Ricky Nolasco, MLB.com's Bill Ladson, in an article entitled, "Pitching the focus for Nats at Meetings", wrote that, "...a baseball source indicated that the Nats have interest in Marlins right-hander Ricky Nolasco, who won 13 games this past season," prompting the SB Nation's Florida Marlins blog FishStripes' Craig Strain to email Nolasco's agent Matt Sosnick, who replied, as quoted in an article entitled, "Ricky Nolasco being shopped?":
"I haven't heard anything about that, but I believe that he is going to have a monster year in 2010. He is the most underrated player that I represent."
(ed. note - "Emailing the agent? Brilliant...I wonder when in the process of a trade the agent would know?")
Nolasco, a soon-to-be 27-year-old right-hander drafted by the Chicago Cubs in the 4th Round of the 2001 Draft and subsequently traded to Florida in a deal in which the Marlins acquired pitchers Sergio Mitre, Renyel Pinto and Nolasco in return for outfielder Juan Pierre, signed a 1-year/$2.4 million dollar deal, avoiding arbitration, is once again eligible and headed for a raise after his fourth MLB season, in which the Corona, California native was (13-9) with a 5.06 ERA in 31 starts and 185.0 IP in which he allowed 188 hits and 104 ER, walking 44 (2.1 K/9) and striking out 195 (9.5 K/9), while posting a 1.25 WHIP, with a (+4.2) WAR value.
?'s And LINKS For The DC Faithful...
At the trading dealine last July, MLB.com's Bill Ladson wrote, in a blog post entitled, "Willingham, Dunn drawing interest", that the Tigres were interested in both Josh Willingham and Adam Dunn, both of whom they saw as potential designated hitters...Would you expect more than Edwin Jackson from Detroit in return for Willingham? Would the Tigers want more than the Hammer? What's the Nationals' equivalent of Matt Joyce, who was ranked as high as 7th in the Tigers' system in 2007? The Atlanta Braves, according to Boston.com's Nick Carfado's article entitled, "Lowe prefers not to be spun out of Braves' rotation", are one of three teams, along with the Giants and Mariners who are interested in acquiring the Hammer. Can the Marlins and Nationals please stop trading with one another? It's embarrassing...Will the Fish or Braves trade pitchers as good as Nolasco and Vazquez in their own division? Can the Nationals bring Javier Vazquez, an Expos' pick from the 5th round of the '94 draft back into the fold? Do the Nationals have any chance of acquiring any of these pitchers?
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i personally wouldn’t mind seeing the nationals trade josh willingham to the detroit tigers for edwin jackson because of the potential that that move could have on our team next season. if we do indeed do that trade, we could bring justin maxwell back up to washington and transition him to left field ( cause with nyjer morgan in washington in center, he’s not going to get a chance to play). if that indeed happens our roster could look like this :
1st base: Adam Dunn
2nd base: Christian Guzman
SS: Ian Desmond or free agent we sign this offseason
3rd base: Ryan Zimmerman
LF: Justin Maxwell
CF: Nyjer Morgan
RF: Elijah Dukes
C: Jesus Flores
I want to say that Maxwell's ready to take a starting spot, but he hasn't shown it yet, that's my only hesitation...
Maxwell, Morgan and Dukes, with Bernadina and Willie Harris backing up…You’d need huge over-their-heads seasons from Maxwell and Dukes for that to work, and a repeat of Morgan’s short stint in DC last season…but defensively speaking (somebody find the defensive stats to back this up?) that looks like an outfield that could cover some ground…
The Nationals have said repeatedly that they see no reason to trade the Hammer, but if they could get a relatively young legit starter who’ll be peaking (in theory) right at the point they’ll be competitive, they’d have to consider it…
Ahh rumors, before the Meetings start anything is possible…in all likelihood I spent 9 paragraphs writing about 3 potential moves that won’t happen, but you never know…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 5, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
If the Nats could pull off a Willingham for Jackson trade, I would be all for it.
Willingham is good, when he’s on, but when he’s off he’s preeetty bad, and his defense isn’t great. I don’t think the Tigers would make that trade, though…
Look for Maxwell to be traded
Apparently, Dana Brown and Acta were big fans of Maxwell…so im betting that he might be part of a package in a trade deal. I would trade Hammer in a flash…. LF’s grow on trees (well, in Syracuse they do)… so id be moving for starting pitching in a flash.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
pitching rotation if this actually did occur
- Pitcher: Edwin Jackson
- Pitcher: John Lannan
- Pitcher: Free agent or Ross Detwiler
- Pitcher: Ross Detwiler or Craig Stammen
- Pitcher: Craig Stammen or Stephen Strausburg
( There is no reason to rush Strausburg to the majors unless we start the season really well and he could help us stay in contention for the playoffs, other than that, leave him Syracuse and get some innings of professional ball under his belt)
Just dreaming here...
Strasburg, Zimmermann, Jackson, Detwiler, Lannan…those could be fun times ahead…
I agree on Strasburg that there is no reason to rush him, but I just keep picturing Strasburg, Stammen (if rehabbed fully), Balester, Martis and J.D. Martin battling for spots and it’s hard to think Strasburg’s not going to beat them out for a spot…
I’d like to see a quick 1-2 month tour of the affiliates…(I might have to take some time of work to follow Strasburg tour)…before he’s brought up to debut in DC…
With no explanation how he arrived at it, the Chiefs’ owner put the chances of Strasburg starting at Triple-A at 50/50 a few weeks back…
So no one’s buying Smoltz in DC? Closing? Would Smoltz consider a return to the pen?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 5, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
He also said it's 25/75 Zimmerman might start there...
And less likely, but still possible Dunn might make a few appearances…season tickets now on sale…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 5, 2009 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im not sure on Smoltz starting in DC
If he was – it would be as a lower rotation starter….given he probably couldnt handle the innings now. I would much prefer a Jackson, et al as mentioned above.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
Hammer’s gonna make some good money this year too. Wouldn’t the Tigers want prospects…pitchers/outfielders if they’re trying to shed payroll?
Letting the younglings pitch in 2009 may have been good so other teams could scout them throwing against big league hitters. They got shelled a lot but it was often one big inning…plus our defense sucked.
We have to have a starter who can win over 10 freaking games.
Multiple 10 game winners? When will that happen? Would any of the pitchers Sheinin mentions win 10 with DC?
As for the Hammer, how much is he going to get this year?
Is it wrong to want Vazquez just because he was an Expo?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 5, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
We have several Jacksons in waiting..........
One year of fairly good baseball does not whelm me….especially for those $$$
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
— without making a deal," Rizzo said."
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 5, 2009 4:14 AM EST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Jackson
There was a time when Jackson was regarded as one of the premiere pitching prospects in baseball (after posting sub-4.00 ERAs in AA and the majors at age 19 in 2003), but poor showings in AAA and MLB after that season ended his status as a “can’t-miss” prospect.
In 2006, Jackson pitched in 23 games, mostly in middle relief, and posted a 5.45 ERA in 36⅓ innings.
In 2007, Jackson became a full-time starter for the Rays. He began the season poorly, going 1–9 with a 7.23 ERA in 17 games over 74⅔ innings. Jackson managed to rebound somewhat after the All-Star break, posting a 4–6 record and a 4.48 ERA over 15 games,
In 2008, Jackson assumed the number four spot in the Rays’ starting rotation out of spring training. He finished the season with a 4.42 ERA.
(age 26) relies almost exclusively on two pitches, a mid-90’s fastball and an effective power slider.
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
— without making a deal," Rizzo said."
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 5, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
...and I imagine Edwin Jackson was on the Devil Rays with Elijah Dukes.
We’re getting the band back together.
Vazquez a good choice
I like the idea of bring Javy back into the fold. He still has something left to give, the numbers to prove it, and yeah being a former Expo is kinda neat too…Ed, Amen to never trading with the stinkin’ fish and that Steinbrenner wannabe art dealer. They always seem to turn other teams castoffs and has beens into All-Stars. I am just waiting to hear all summer long how great a pitching coach St. Claire is!!!!
Yea, tat would be nice.
He personifies the “reliable veteran starting pitcher.” Although I would call him more than just reliable. Although, I would see more of a future with Jackson. He would be around longer and begin to play at his prime while Strasburg and Storen start becoming dominant.
If any of these occurrences in the article happen, I would bet on Nolasco coming to town.
Get Oher or Maybin please
I'd take Nolasco any day...give'em Aaron Thompson back...
I kid, I kid….sorry, Mr. Rizzo.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 5, 2009 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Red Sox still want Hanley Ramirez back...
Drafts and robbing prospects, The Marlins’ way.
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Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A better idea what it might take to get Edwin Jackson...
SI.com Jon Heyman’s report on Mariners turning down an offer:
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by Patrick Reddington on Dec 5, 2009 1:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dec 10, last day of meetings I think...
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by Patrick Reddington on Dec 5, 2009 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chigliak: "Forget about it......"
nyuck…
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
— without making a deal," Rizzo said."
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Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
— without making a deal," Rizzo said."
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 5, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions

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