WE WANT ELIJAH DUKES!! Who Belongs In the Washington Nationals' Outfield?
MLB.com's Bill Ladson is back with another edition of, "Inbox: What is the best outfield trio", where Mr. Ladson answers a question about the best possible outfield alignment for the Washington Nationals by throwing the questioner a curve and saying that instead of the Adam Dunn, Elijah Dukes and Austin Kearns outfield that this fan suggests, Mr. Ladson would like to see Adam Dunn and:
"(Justin) Maxwell and Roger Bernadina as the other outfielders. I've often said this, I want to see Washington play the kids."
Mr. Ladson* goes on to say that he knows the Nationals' braintrust, President Stan Kasten, acting General Manager Mike Rizzo and Manager Manny Acta, thinks differently, but in his opinion, "...Maxwell and Bernadina are ready. They are better than some of the outfielders the Nationals have now."
(ed. note - "Elijah Dukes, Lastings Milledge, Austin Kearns, Josh Willingham...Which of these outfielders do you think Maxwell or Bernadina is better than? I have my own guess at to which outfielder(s?) Mr. Ladson means...You?)
DC's OF Situation...
Anyone who's been reading Federal Baseball.com all winter knows that I had Elijah Dukes pencilled in as the Nationals' starting right fielder, (though I always allowed for the fact the Austin Kearns' defense alone could win him the job), but after the last few seasons watching Kearns, I could never have been convinced that it would've been Kearns' bat that earned him the Opening Day spot in right field.
USA Today MLB Fantasy writer Steve Gardner , in an article entitled, "Take spring numbers with a grain of salt", puts the numbers behind DC Manager Manny Acta's decision to go with Kearns over Dukes in right, writing in the April 8-14, '09 newsstand edition of the USA TODAY Sports Weekly supplement that while it's acknowledged that Spring Training games, "don't mean anything", there are reasons that,"...they still keep score." :
"For instance, the Washington Nationals conducted an open competition for their starting right field job-- and even though Elijah Dukes is considerably more talented than Austin Kearns, his .212 average and .327 slugging percentage were nowhere close to Kearns' .279 and .581. So Kearns begins the season as the starter and Dukes finds himself scrounging for leftover at-bats."
(ed. note - "Dukes vs Milledge? If you go by Mr. Gardner's standard of AVG. and SLG., as deciding factors, even at .212 AVG, and .327 SLG, Dukes had Lastings Milledge beat for the center field job, based solely on Spring Training stats, with Milledge posting a, (.205 AVG and a .288 SLG, with a .256 OBP, 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 4 walks, 2 SB and 14 K's in 23 games and 73 at bats)...Dukes' complete Spring output? (.212 AVG, .327 SLG, .353 OBP, 3 2B, 1 HR, 6 RBI's in 19 games and 52 at bats). So why was Milledge given the starting spot in center?...)
The ROTOWIRE Analysis from FANGRAPHS.com (dated 4/4/09) has a note about Kearns beating out Dukes, which states that:
"Kearns clearly outplayed Dukes this spring, out-OPS'ing him 1.017 to .632. Dukes also struck out twice as much (22 to 10). Its unclear how long Kearns will own the right field job, but Dukes will be the No. 2 at all three outfield spots until he gets starting time."
In a 4/4/09 FANGRAPHS.com article by Dave Cameron entitled, "Kicking Hope in the Groin", written on Opening Day, Mr. Cameron looks around the Majors and notes how it's a, "...day full optimism for everyone -- the teams who were bad last year offering up reasons why this year will be different.":
"Except in Washington, where it's apparently more of the same...Elijah Dukes, the best player on the team, is not in the line-up today. He's not injured. He's not being punished for an off the field transgression. He just had a bad spring..."
Back in a November 9, 2008 article by David Golebiewski entitled, "Elijah Dukes' Breakout Prophecy", in FANGRAPHS.com's RotoGraphs section, Mr. Golebiewski argued that, "Elijah Dukes has the skills to establish himself as a breakout star in 2009" and Mr Golebiewski writes that Dukes':
"...plate discipline is pretty refined for a guy who's just 24, as he swung at just 20.34% of pitches thrown outside the strike zone. The strikeout rate was very high and figures to remain so in the future (his contact percentage was 70.38% and his minor league K% was 24.4), but Dukes possesses the secondary skills (walks and power) to compensate for a batting average in the .250-.260 range. Great on-base skills, power and 10-20 steals to boot? That's a pretty valuable player."
How valuable? Mr. Golebiewski's colleague, Mr. Cameron, calculated just how valuable Dukes could be to the DC lineup in his article, "Kicking Hope in the Groin", writing:
"Dukes had a .382 wOBA last year to go along with a UZR/150 of +13.7. In about 60% of a season’s worth of playing time, he was worth 2.9 wins to the Nationals, which put him on a +5 win pace over a full season. Five win players go to the all-star game, sign really big contracts, and become heroes to their fans."
The Washington Nationals need a hero. Elijah Dukes needs to start.
FANGRAPHS.com: Elijah Dukes' Stats.
FANGRAPHS.com: Lastings Milledge's Stats.
(ed. note - " * = While the Nationals had the day off on Thursday, the franchise's Triple-A affiliate in Syracuse, New York had their Opening Day with DC-(or DCMR)-starter-to-be, Jordan Zimmerman(n) on the mound and two-thirds of Mr. Ladson's outfield in the lineup for the Chiefs against the Rochester Red Wings...Bernadina was 1 for 5 with 3 K's. Maxwell was hitless in 5 AB's. Kory Casto? The Last Cut? 4 for 4, 1 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBI's. Jordan Zimmerman(n)? In his first start above Double-A?
Zimmerman(n)'s Line: 5.1 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K's, 2 HR, 84 pitches, 59 strikes, GO/FO - 7/5.)
The Chief's lost the game, 7-4 final. Jason Bergmann (BS) Gary Glover (L).
Jordan Zimmermann's first MLB start is scheduled for April 19th, 2009 against the the Florida Marlins.
Tonight: Washington at Atlanta. Shairon Martis (0-0) vs Derek Lowe. 7:30 pm EST from Turner Field in Atlanta, GA. Martis' 1st start of '09? Can the youngest pitcher on the Nationals' staff show the rest how it's done? Can the Nationals avoid losing 4-straight to start the season?
Who's Watching The Nationals? (Game Thread will be up this afternoon.)
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No Obama?
The Washington Times says…
President Obama won’t throw the ceremonial first pitch before the Washington Nationals’ home opener Monday.
According to a White House aide, Obama will decline the team’s invitation to throw the pitch before the game against the Philadelphia Phillies, brushing back a presidential tradition that dates to 1910.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/10/president-throw-first-pitch/
I'm amazed that he'd say no...
“brushing back a presidential tradition”…I get it!!!
Well President Obama will not escape mention in today’s GameThread…There’s got to be a list of Presidential first pitches somewhere…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Apr 10, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I really think he's worried about being booed...plus...
I don’t know if he ever played sports besides hoops. He does not want to look like Carl Lewis or the Cincinnati Mayor. He may have never played games where throwing is necessary.
Obama is not a baseball guy
He does not like baseball much. He is a basketball guy. Bush loved baseball and Obama is the anti-bush so he wont care for partison reasons. He has yet to begin to try to reach to the middle, so you can’t epect him to be a normal president until he does.
Maybe Nader's available?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Apr 10, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ladson must think we're dolts
Maxwell and Bernadina are BOTH older than Milledge and Dukes (granted Bernie is just days older than Dukes). i guess Ladson figures that the folks that read him don’t pay attention to little things like that.
Dukes should be this team’s CF. he’s the most all-around talented player on the team. it’ll work itself out though, let’s not get our collective panties in a bunch over this.
this season isn’t about wins, it’s about finding out who can (and will) play. it’s about maximizing assets (i’m looking at you Austin Kearns and Nick Johnson), and it’s, unfortunately, about options (sorry Bergy and Mock).
the roster on Labor Day is MUCH more important than the roster on Opneing Day.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Apr 10, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions
yeah, i thought that comment was strange
especially since he was the guy that predicted a .340/40/125 year for Zimmerman at the start of last year.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Apr 10, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
In a real world we'd want Dukes in RF...
Bernadina or Maxwell in CF if we trade some OFer’s or Trade out all the extras and a minor league peep for a real CF/Leadoff man.Dunn in LF while we’ve got him. Everything I’ve read about Dukes as a prospect says he will be a plus to plus plus RF and an barely above average CF. That being said if we’ve got Kearns in RF Dukes would make a better CF than Milledge. I like the idea some have put out there to try and put Milledge at 2nd. He could pass at a 2nd and have a good bat for the position. We need a 1st baseman for the future. We need a middle infield for the future. We’ve got young arms for the future we need a vet to teach them what it means to be a pitcher. I say in June if things aren’t looking good. Rizzo should have a fire sale and get rid of some of the extras here for real future players.
The only person on this roster that shouldn’t be considered for trade is R.Zimmerman and even that is up for debate. He’s a plus defender with plus potential at the plate. We need to start seeing potential becoming reality, eh.
BTW I read Ladson like I use to read horoscopes. They’re a good waste of time but not worth believing…
Real World = Mid Season if things go wrong all year...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Apr 10, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I still can't picture Elijah Dukes in center...How about this great stat-based analysis...
He just looks to big to play center?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Apr 10, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Question...
Do you think Lastings reads his press coverage?
I’d think he wants to be loved (where many players just want to be good ballplayers), but geez, if he reads all this stuff about moving him to 2B and Dukes and AAA kids, he’s gonna have a breakdown. We should take away his interweb service.
Who said something about moving him to second? That sounds worse than Dunn at first...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Apr 10, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't judge Milledge on one 3-game series...
…but if his play against Florida was a hint of things to come, Milledge could end up back in a corner spot like they were speculating all winter…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Apr 10, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...this Milledge-Dukes vibe reminds me a lot of college football.
The backup QB is often very popular.
It's a fine line
that they’re trying to walk. Stan wants fans in the seats, the fans want a team worth watching. One takes wins, the other takes patience. Dukes was moved out of center to right because they were worried about his knees further on down the road, but he’s clearly the guy for now. It’ll be interesting either way.
You know I would put up with Millage in CF if he could on base .380 because he is young
and somewhat new to CF. Heck I would put up with Millage in CF if we had someone else leading off that could on base .380 and Millage batted 7th or 8th simply because of his age, but his weakish bat at the top of the lineup with the horrendous defense combine to make him hard to stomach.
Now Maxwell has shown me nothing, but a little bit of eye. Bernadina has shown me nothing but glove. I could tolerate Bernadina in CF if he batted 8th as long as Dukes played daily in RF. But when I think of what is ideal right now its not Bernadina in CF. Kearns out hits Bernadina and is as good an RF as Bernadina is a CF. Dukes is a slightly above average CF. So that combination is better.
But, if you want to keep Dukes in RF where he is a plus plus plus guy, then how about TAWH in CF. Go to fan graphs and you will find he is a plus CF and when he leadoff last season he was pretty darn good. The only problem here is TAWH needs to play 2nd until Hernandez is back. Belliard can’t play second much anymore (clearly), and TAWH is a plus defender there as well.
if the Nats signed this guy:
nine year vet with career slash line of .247/.324/.342 would you give him the every day job of leading off?
as for TAWH batting leadoff and being “pretty darn good”, i wouldn’t call .270/.357/.489 in 157 plate appearances in 2008 pretty darn good, i’d call it pretty darn mediocre. fyi, career leading off in 964 plate appearances, TAWH is .246/.323/.340.
PhDBrian, i’m not singling you out. there’s lots of folks that got surprised by Willie Harris last year. but he’s not an everyday player. he’s a pretty good guy to have around, a terrific defensive outfielder and an average second baseman. but he’s not a regular.
Milledge has to play. he’s 23.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Apr 10, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Kearns, Trade Hammer...DO NOT TRADE NICK JOHNSON...
Dunn, Dukes and Lasto left to right…(unless DC can trade Dunn too?)
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Apr 10, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a question --- Why not Milledge to 2nd base?
I read one thing about this move and frankly I don’t buy it either. What’s sad is he should be playing LF. His arm isn’t strong enough for CF or RF and he’s got to start hitting or he’s no good for anything at LF. He’s got one more year to prove himself here. I don’t think he’d get this chance anywhere else, well at least anywhere that’s contending. When was the Washington Post article written where he spoke of doing things his way and he didn’t need people to tell him when and how to work. Jimbo is gone dude. There’s no one left to stroke your ego. It’s show time… Let’s hope at the end of the season I’m eating my words. Please remind me. I’m man enough to print out this post and eat it. “When fine glass of Chianti”
Can we have Eli back?
We miss his crazy ass so much!
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