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Pathetic Pitching and a cheap skate for an owner.

Well just watched Hanaran, or whatever his name is, blow yet another save.
This guy couldn’t close last year. Did he marry Lerner’s daughter? I sit and watch
as the Marlins staff, almost to a man, throws 90 plus, and I watch the Nats with virtually nobody who break 90. Oh yes, Hanahran throws 90, as straight as an arrow. Great batting pitcher. Bad pitching takes the wind out of a good hitting team.
So what is the problem folks? Fielding, pitching, the manager, the coaches,hitting?
Fielding is a problem because we can’t seem to field the same team more than 2 games in a row. It’s certainly not Manny Acta, he knows the game,period, and so do the coaches for that manner.

It’s the pitching folks! A coach told once that pitching is probably 60-70% of the game.
You will win once and while with good pitching with scores like 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, etc., but not more than 5. The Nats must go 7 runs every game to win with this pitching staff.

The ultimate problem is the ownership! Let no one kid one’s self. Someone suggested
trading Kearns beacuse he makes $ 9mil. The top pitchers in the league are getting much more than $9 mil. By the way who’s the highest paid person in MLB? A pitcher.
Someone earlier mentioned a list of names of pitchers available before the season started. Yes, some were time worn , former star pitchers, but would still be able to win a few. Some say Manny is using the bull pen too much. Are you kidding? With a starting staff like the Nats, any team would wear out its relief staff, but the problem is not just the lack of starters, but a crew of minor league relievers, and no closer.

Friends, you know as well as I that the deep, systemic problem (like the term they use when discussiing the economy ) is the ownership. As I have said before, the penny pinching Lerner’s are the real, unfortunate root of the problem. Unfortunately, the damage has been done, and no player with any talent will play with this team, now or the future. The new player scouting system also sucks big time. I would bet the Lerner’s are penny pinching there too,

So now we wait for the Messiah to come in the form of Strasburg. Wanna bet he won’t sign with the Nats either. No friends the only saving grace we have is if the Lerner’s decide to sell to someone who is willing to spend and invest in a good team. Someone like Angelo in Baltimore. Did I say that?

Make me a believer,
Wxguy

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"If Manny respects the integrity of the game, what is he doing still sending Hanrahan out there?" — Basil, 2007

by boteman on Apr 18, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The starting pitching is getting better

We’ve now seen 3 good starts in a row. I think the starting rotation will be OK, as long as Cabrera can keep his ERA under 5.00 or hopefully under 4.50. Hanrahan had a rough series, no doubt, but every closer goes through slumps. It’s still too early to close the book on him, but he needs to figure it out soon.

The offense is doing pretty well, except for some problems in clutch situations. Contrary to what it looked like at the beginning of the season, the Nats don’t look that bad anymore. It looks like they could have 3 or 4 good starters. Maybe the young guys will struggle more on the road but at least they are showing that they can handle good line-ups like those of the Phillies and Marlins.

Despite the losses in the last 2 games, the Nats are finally turning things around. If not for the blown saves, they would have won a series against the Marlins for the first time in years.

by Potomac Fan on Apr 18, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To say “the problem is pitching and the reason pitching is the problem is that ownership won’t spend money” is an oversimplification and unfair to Kasten or the Lerners. There are two reasons management has shied away from big name pitchers.

The simplest reason is that it’s not that great an investment. Getting a big name pitcher is a flashy, sexy move that excites the fan base and can win the team games they’d otherwise have no business winning, so the appeal is obvious. But pitchers are extremely susceptible to injury and have much more variability in their year-to-year performance than position players. Sometimes signing a big-name pitcher works out – Mike Mussina, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, and even Gil Meche could be considered examples of that. But other side of the coin is guys like Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, Kevin Millwood, Chan Ho Park, Mike Hampton, Denny Neagle, and Barry Zito: guys who are injury prone, ineffective, or both, but have such huge contracts they prevent their team from making moves that would make them better. Of course, that’s mostly anecdotal, but statistical studies have indicated that pitching performance is difficult to predict and of course pitchers are hurt more often than position players. In baseball terms it’s the ultimate high-risk, high-reward situation.

Given that the team made an aggressive run at Mark Teixeira and is paying big bucks to Dunn I see it less as an issue of whether the team is willing to spend money and more of an issue of figuring out the most efficient way to allocate its resources.

The second reason is that it flies in the face of the overriding (some would say, “systemic”) philosophy of the club: build from within and add free agents when they’re what’s going to put you over the top in terms of competitiveness. If you’re a bad team, there’s no reason to sign a guy to a huge contract under the logic that in three or four years, when you hope to be good, he’ll be there to fill a hole because you don’t know what holes you’re going to have.

For example, imagine a scenario where the Nationals draft and sign Strasburg, who pans out, Jordan Zimmerman exceeds expectations, Lannan pitches like he did last year, and someone else (Martis, McGreary, Balester, whomever) is a solid pitcher. Imagine also that Adam Dunn, Austin Kearns, and Nick Johnson have left. In that situation, even if Dukes and Millidge pan out, the team is in need of some middle-of-the-order pop from the outfield or first base to put them over the hump. That’s not a situation you want to be sitting in with a huge chunk of payroll tied up in guys like Sabathia, Burnett, or Lowe, who make 15-23 million a year, preventing you from making the moves your team actually needs to make in order to be a contender. That’s why if you’re a bad team, you only go after a guy like Mark Teixeira who, because of his age and position, is as close to sure thing you can get and thus is someone you’re confident will be useful down the road.

This strategy works, and to see evidence of it you don’t need to look any further than the Washington Capitals. The team started their rebuild from scratch and faced a lot of the same criticism the Nationals do – that they weren’t interested in what the fans thought, that the owner was cheap, that the management was inept, and so on. But by taking their lumps, focusing on development, and building from within they’ve assembled one of the best young cores of talent in the NHL and are now in a position where they’re able to tweak the roster to try and win. That’s where the Nationals want to be in two, three, four years: in a position where their needs are clearly identifiable and the team has the financial flexibility to address them.

by David M. Getz on Apr 19, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Posted my response before I read your post.

Great write up! You make a load of valid points. I guess the vast majority of us are used to instant gratification and we want to win now. (Mets fan who lives in D.C.)

" WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU'VE WITNESSED A GRAND HANDSHAKE PARADE? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 19, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe in the plan...

…excellent points, DMG. Of course, the problem is that we’ve been aware of the Nats’ rebuilding strategy for the last few seasons, but we’ve seen no apparent improvement. I know, the Injury Fairy whacked us pretty hard last season, and it’s really too early to call this season worse, in spite of starting in a slump… but I think we all understand wxguy’s frustration, and I know I share it. I may be able to channel my fan-rage for this season on BOWDEN!!! as legacy-goat, but I’m going to start wondering if they built Nats Park on an ancient Native American burial ground if we can’t make 70-75 wins this season with the roster we have now.

"We’re all neighbors in NatsTown™!" --NNN

by Doghouse on Apr 19, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a similar gripe that the Mets had last year.

With the difference being crappy relief pitching (relievers blowing games). The Mets weren’t cheap though. 2nd or 3rd highest payroll in the majors last year. This year (IMO) I think they were cheap by not acquiring Lowe (Braves) for what he was asking. They re-acquired Oliver Perez instead of Lowe and…The verdict is still out.

It’s a amazing that the Washington Nationals are five runs ahead (in total runs) over the Kansas City Royals, yet the Royals are in first place in their division. Just goes to show you that pitching is significantly more important than hitting. Sure, that stat and statement may be an oversimplification, but it’s hard to argue with facts.

I wonder what will happen first; Manny Acta gets fired or the Nationals spend money on an arm. Zimmerman can’t get here quick enough. Then again, there’s a chance he might get rained out on Monday.

" WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU'VE WITNESSED A GRAND HANDSHAKE PARADE? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Apr 19, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Almost right about pitching

Pitching and defense make up about 70% of the game and the Nationals’ defense isn’t that good. Half of run-prevention is catching the ball and making outs and the Nats need to improve in this area. Every time Adam Dunn plays in the outfield he hurts the team. Last year his -28 run performance in the field rendered him worth only 1.3 Wins Above Replacement. That’s only one more win than Austin Kearns was worth with his excellent defense and non-existent bat.

I haven’t gone through the whole roster, but if you want to see why the pitching suddenly doesn’t look so good, I think the prime suspects are Messr’s Dunn and Milledge. Moving Dunn to first base and having Kearns play RF every day makes a ton of sense. Trade Nick Johnson to the Mariners for Jarrod Washburn and then we’ll all be happier.

by short on Apr 20, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If only they could combine Dunn's bat and Kearns' arm, you'd have what DC needs W.A.R-wise...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Ed Chigliak on Apr 20, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your last comment ruins your point.

Dunn’s glove at first base is worth less than his glove in left field. Whereas Nick Johnson is glove glove quality at first. Sure first base less important defensively than left field but Dunn is so bad he makes up the difference.

This teams defensive woes do not begin and end with Dunn either. Millage was godawful, but he is now gone. We have played defensive loser belliard for a couple of games at second. A henrnandez is not that great at second either. And defensive wiz Willy Harris is injured. Guzman is a slightly below average defensive SS, and his replacement since his injury Gonzalez has been god awful thus far. Willingham is a below average OF. Zimmerman has made several throwing errors that have negated his plus range so far. Flores is a below average catcher.

The only brite spots defensively on this team this season has been Nick the stick and Dukes. So lets keep Nick. Please!!!

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Apr 21, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last comment doesn’t ruin the point – he’s not saying Dunn is a better first baseman than Johnson, he’s saying the team’s defense as a whole is better with Dunn at first and Kearns in right rather than Dunn in the outfield and Johnson at first.

by David M. Getz on Apr 21, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's not.

How many times do I have to point this out? Dunn gets us a half a win in LF, loses us half a win at 1B. NJ is a freakin’ godsend at 1B with his high OBP and insanely sticky glove. Moving Dunn there is basically no difference on offense (or a slight upgrade), and a big drop in defense. Dunn if LF is a drop in defense, but an enough of an upgrade on offense (vs someone like Josh Willingham) to make a positive difference. DO NOT TRADE NICK JOHNSON. I agree, however, that having Willingham and Dunn in the OF at the same time is… questionable…

"We’re all neighbors in NatsTown™!" --NNN

by Doghouse on Apr 22, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for why we suck!

I agree with many of the above answers, but I also think the team has made several real bad personal decisions during and after Bowden. Here is a list of the more recent bad decisions:
1) Firing Steven Shell was a real bad idea. If you want to know more I wrote a long reason why here: http://www.federalbaseball.com/2009/4/20/845305/rizzo-overhauls-the-nats-bullpen
but essentially his lifetime MLB era is 2.41! We fired him after the 5th inning of the season when he did not pitch all that bad.
2)Shawn Hill: He is in the Padres rotation and winning games. We cut him this spring for little reason other than that he won arbitration and might get injured again. He will win 15 for the Padres this year or next. I’d bet money on it.
3) Ryan Church and Brian Schneider for Millage. Does this need explanation? Mets will go to the postseason and these two guys are significant contributors. Millage is a loser with tools.
4) we abuse our bullpen worse than almost anyone. Every year we lead the league in appearances with at least a guy or two. All the following very good pitchers have destructed during their prime after we abused them in recent years. Cordero, Rauch, S Rivera, and Majewski. To name but a few.
5) the X reds are and were crazy bad, but that is over for now hopefully.

I could go on, but you get the point. Great teams like the Red Sox stockpile arms (never have enough arms at any price, which allows them to avoid abusing guys), keep youngsters in the minors for a while till they are not gambles, and keep leaders (Varitek) past their primes. Bad teams worry about how much a pitcher cost, cut good veteran guys before they digress, and gamble on cheap youngsters (then cut them quickly when they do not pan out).

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Apr 21, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

(1) Shell wasn’t fired. He was demoted.

(2) I will gladly take that bet. I don’t see a guy who’s never been healthy enough to start more than 16 games winning 16 on a bad team.

(3) Millidge is 24. Let’s not give up on him yet. Besides, the Nationals have enough corner outfielders and Brian Schneider isn’t a great catcher – he’s a wash with Flores offensively and better defensively, but having him isn’t what would put the team over the top.

Bad teams worry about how much a pitcher cost, cut good veteran guys before they digress, and gamble on cheap youngsters (then cut them quickly when they do not pan out).

The difference here isn’t good and bad teams, it’s rich and poor teams. It doesn’t make sense to fault the team for worry about how much players cost because (unless they’re extremely wealthy) it’s difficult to figure out how to make the best use of their payroll; it doesn’t make sense to keep under-performing veterans under contract if you don’t have a ton of money, and it makes more sense to take a chance on low-risk, high potential guys if you’re not a rich team, hoping you get a bargain.

by David M. Getz on Apr 21, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shell

why are you saying he was fired? don’t we have 10 days to trade him, send him to syracuse, or give him his outright release (unless we already did)?

804 Nats Fan

by pas493 on Apr 21, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still up in the air as far as I've read...

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Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Ed Chigliak on Apr 21, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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