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Another Piece of the (Future) Puzzle?

The Nats placed Scott Olsen (left shoulder tendinitis) on the disabled list after Saturday's games, but that's not the big story.  For all of the flak that Daniel Cabrera has taken (deservedly so, in my eyes) for his struggles, it could easily be argued that Olsen has been worse.  After Saturday's 8-5 loss to the Phillies, Olsen finds himself 1-4 with a 7.24 ERA, a 1.90 WHIP, and a 29:18 strikeout to walk ratio in 41 innings.  A year after limiiting the league to a .253 average in his first 200 inning season, Olsen has been lit up by opposing hitters for a .335 average over his first eight starts.  While we can't know how much the bum shoulder has impacted that, we can say with absolute certainty that it's not helping.

Still, Olsen isn't the big news.  It's his replacement on the 25-man roster, 2007 first round pick Ross Detwiler.  The 24-year-old left-hander had a solid professional debut after signing in 2007.  He dominated briefly in rookie ball, with a 2.25 ERA, a 1.17 WHIP, and a 15:3 strikeout to walk ratio in 12 innings.  There were certainly some struggles after he earned the quick call to Potomac in 2007, but he didn't look intimidated when he got the obligatory cup of coffee with the big club in September.  He had just one inning of work, but didn't yield a hit or walk in the inning.  We didn't see much, but watching the (supposed) crown jewel of a draft class widely considered among the best in the league make a nice debut gave great hope for the future.

Star-divide

While it's hard to consider 2008 a lost season, Detwiler certainly had his struggles.  Detwiler worked quite a bit on the mechanics of his delivery after a poor start to the season, though he did show signs of getting on track as the season wore on.  He pitched all season at High A Potomac, finishing the season with a 4.88 ERA and a 1.59 WHIP in 124 innings.  His walk rate (4.1:9 IP) was a bit high, but stomachable.  There were certainly some positives here, though, as he struck out 8.3 batters per nine innings pitched and had a very strong 1.61 Groundball to Flyball ratio. 

 

There's not a lot to go on with the early returns of 2009.  We'll get the negative out of the way early before moving on to some of what may have been the deciding factors in going with Detwiler (making the jump from AA to the majors) instead of a pitcher like Craig Stammen (off to a hot start at AAA) or Colin Balester (hot and cold at AAA, but a part of last season's rotation who seems like he may have a real future with the club himself). 

The Bad

In six starts, Detwiler has had only one outing that could be considered poor so far this season. There are certainly some areas (which we can't pinpoint to one start) where he'll have an opportunity to improve as the season wears on, though.  Despite his current 2.96 ERA, Detwiler is 0-3 on the year.

- He was lit up for five earned runs on four hits and two walks as he lasted just 2.2 innings in the second of back to back starts against Reading (Philadelphia's AA squad). Bad starts happen even to the best of pitchers, but there has to be some concern that Reading was able to adjust so well to him in his second start against them.

- Detwiler really hasn't been stretched out so far this season.  Particularly in cases where you're dealing with a large investment, it's important to be cautious by limiting a young pitcher's pitch counts.  Still, it's noteworthy that Detwiler has yet to last beyond five innings in six starts this season.  In those six starts, he's gone exactly five innings four times, 4.2 innings once, and 2.2 innings once.  Especially when you consider what a sieve the bullpen with the big club has looked like so far this season, you'd like to think that Detwiler could pitch a little deeper into the game.  While the pitch count is factoring in, you have to think that Detwiler has labored a bit more (per inning) than he should have had to at this point. 

- While the walk rate has come down, it's still not great.  That's not the problem, though.  He hasn't been as strong with the groundball rate.  He currently sports a 1.00 GB/FB rate, which a pitcher of his talents can get away with for a while against AA opposition.  He'll need to keep the ball down a bit more in the majors if he's going to stick around (this time).

The Good

- I usually don't pay too much attention to ERA when dealing with minor league pitchers.  Some of the underlying factors (K:BB ratio, K:9 ratio, HR:9 ratio, GB:FB ratio) tend to be a lot more important, particularly when considering that most of the players at the level are in developmental stages.  That said, Detwiler's ERA (2.96) to this point is nothing to sneeze at.  His WHIP (1.41) wasn't really anything special. 

- His past two starts

May 6 vs. Erie - 5 IP, 4 H, 1 BB, 0 R, 7 K

May 11 vs. Altoona - 5 IP, 3 H, 0 BB, 1 R, 9 K

His overall numbers were stronger in his most recent start (a loss to Altoona... ironically, the Curve's parent team is the team that Detwiler will make his first major league start against, the Pittsburgh Pirates), but the Erie start is the one that makes me feel a little more confident that he's rounding the bend.  Why?  I brought up the second of the back to back starts against Reading above.  While Detwiler made a start in between, he was facing Erie for the second time in two weeks when he made the first of those past two starts.  After failing to get out of the fifth against them the first time, Detwiler seemed to be the one making adjustments and dominated the Seawolves.  Either way, his past two starts have consisted of a 0.90 ERA, a 0.72 WHIP, and a 16:1 strikeout to walk ratio. 

- He's cranked it up a bit with the strikeout production, and he's looked considerably more confident in attacking the zone as the season has worn on.  Again, both of these things have weighed heavily on his more recent (past few starts) performance.  The key thing here, though, is that it's not just a command and control issue.  It's a confidence issue.  As he seemed to change the mechanics on his delivery every 2-3 weeks last season, it could certainly have had a negative effect on his psyche.  Right now, he's showing the poise that led to him being drafted sixth overall a couple of years ago.  He doesn't look like he's out there hoping to retire hitters.  He's looking like he expects to.  Let's hope this doesn't get shattered with the quick call.

Is he up to stay?

Obviously, you would expect that how he performs will have a drastic impact on how long he stays with the big club.  Even when Olsen is ready to return, there's cleraly a chance that Cabrera has continued to implode before our very eyes.  The question regarding younger talent often centers around their arbitration clock.  While the virtual guarantee that the clock will start a year later is usually around the first of June, the late May call-up would make him a pretty safe bet not to become a super-two in a few years. 

I don't believe that the arbitration clock kicking in will be a factor, and I don't believe that Mike Rizzo wants to make him a merry-go-round type (i.e., going back and forth between the majors and minors).  You do that with guys at AAA that are expected to be stopgaps... not with one of your organization's top prospects. I get the feeling that Cabrera's continued struggles made Rizzo more confident in going with that top prospect rather than looking for said stopgap until Olsen is healthy.  It makes him more likely to stick at the big league level.

The raw stuff is there for him to succeed, which means his level of success could depend largely on how he maintains his confidence.  It sure didn't look to be there last season, which is the only reason that keeping him in the minors for a little while longer (so that he can continue to build that confidence) would have been the wiser course of action.  While I'd love to see what red hot Chief Craig Stammen could do in the majors, I think this is the right move, though.

We're nearing the quarter point of the season.  The Nats are 11-24.  Contention was never a reality.  Being competitive was possibly an option, but even that seems to be going out the window a bit. There are more than enough holes on the team so that it's probably time to look toward (yeah... I know... I'm skipping something here, aren't I?) 2011.  If everything breaks right, Detwiler should be the #3 starter behind he who shall not be named (until drafted) and Jordan Zimmermann in 2011.  He's going to take his lumps, but it's time to get that part out of the way.

A college pitcher out of Missouri State, Detwiler is 24 with roughly a season and a half of professional experience under his belt.  Much of the line of thinking behind taking a college pitcher instead of a high school pitcher has to do with the fact that they're going to ascend through the system more quickly.  They're also expected to be further along in their development.  This doesn't seem rushed.

While I certainly don't see Detwiler as anyone with future ace potential, I do see him slotting in as a middle of the rotation starter down the road.  There's going to be an adjustment period when he first reaches the majors regardless of whether he's up to stay now or whether he's up for a spot start or two and comes back in late August/early September.  If he's adequate (or, in layman's terms, several times better than Cabrera has been) and Cabrera is still pitching poorly, there's no reason to think that he should head back down to Harrisburg or Syracuse when Olsen returns.  There's always the chance that he gets lit up in his first big league start Monday and is replaced by Stammen (or Balester) immediately, but I don't see it happenning. 

Ross Detwiler is the latest silver lining in what has turned out to be a pretty woeful start to the season.  A native of St. Louis, Missouri (gotta give a shout out to my hometown... I can't imagine there are many of us [Nats fans] in the area), Detwiler was the sixth overall pick in the 2007 MLB Draft.  Entering the 2009 season, Detwiler was widely viewed as one of the top prospects in the Nats' system (#2 by Baseball America, #3 by Baseball Prospectus, #4 [B-] by John Sickels).  He'll make his first big league start at home on Monday against the Pittsburgh Pirates.

 

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I'm looking forward to the start.

I think the kid has promise and look forward to him becoming a mainstay of the rotation. As to his limitied innings – looking at his relatively high K count I wonder whether this is a factor – he doesn’t strike me as a groundball pitcher so he might hit his count sooner than if he was otherwise. Either that or he goes deep in the count to lots of batters.

Either way, many experts predicted he would be in the majors last season and when he struggled these same wrote him off as a dud. Personally, I think it takes quite few seasons in the minors to learn how to be a good pitcher – it’s a rare talent that can make the transition immediately.

Bring on the kids I say… It’s not like we’re going to get a worse record than what we already have.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 17, 2009 3:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If the kid

can pitch 6 innings, he’s already better than Cabrera and Olsen.

Wait a second, his name isn’t Olsen or Cabrera, so he’s already better than Olsen and Cabrera.

by Andrew Davidson on May 17, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not much to lose by trying him out

It’s academic to debate whether Cabrera or Olsen has been worse but at least Olsen has shown in the past that he can be a real major league pitcher (if only a mediocre one). Cabrera has never shown that he has the least understanding of how to pitch in the major leagues. He’s had several years to establish himself and improve. That hasn’t happened and I doubt it ever will.

Detwiler hasn’t lived up to the hype so far in the minors but the organization still doesn’t know exactly what they have with him. Might as well give him a try and see if he can develop into a no. 3 or no. 4 starter for 2010 or 2011.

I don’t know if (Boras protege) can be penciled in as the automatic ace of the staff for 2010. He’s certainly been great in college but there have been too many cases of previous no. 1 overall draft picks in the majors who haven’t worked out, particularly with pitchers. Martis has to figure into the future plans too. He looks to be a bit ahead of Zimmermann right now. Martis could be a no. 2 or no. 3 pitcher next year. (He’s the ace of this year’s staff, more by default than anything else.)

Even if Zimmermann, Martis, Lannan and Strasburg become effective starters next year, I’d still like the team to bring in an established veteran next offseason. (Olsen and Cabrera don’t count.) The Nats really need a veteran presence on the rotation, someone who can provide advice to all of the youngsters AND pitch effectively. And then there’s that slight matter of the bullpen…

by Potomac Fan on May 17, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Syracuse RHP Ryan Wagner retired.......posted at Nationals Farm Authority

Wow, not a part of the future…….

"Burn those #‘s…and never mention them again…we’re gonna turn this thing around… " -e chigliak, May 7, 2009
"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel

by cat daddy3000 on May 17, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Top 50 Pitching Prospects from 2004

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/1/16/725034/top-50-pitching-prospects

2) Ryan Wagner, RHP, Cincinnati Reds, Grade A:

14) Joel Hanrahan, RHP, Los Angeles Dodgers, Grade B+

45) Chad Cordero, RHP, Montreal Expos, Grade B

"Burn those #‘s…and never mention them again…we’re gonna turn this thing around… " -e chigliak, May 7, 2009
"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel

by cat daddy3000 on May 18, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just goes to show...

We’d have more chance picking future pitching stars by tarrot card readers than scouts sometime.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 18, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, the rest of the list was quite interesting where they ranked.

I am intrigued by your concept of the tarot card readers and would like to subscribe to your newsletter…

"Burn those #‘s…and never mention them again…we’re gonna turn this thing around… " -e chigliak, May 7, 2009
"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel

by cat daddy3000 on May 18, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Detwiler, Stammen or both

“The Nationals also need a starter for Saturday against the Orioles, but the Nationals declined to say if Detwiler would get the start. "

“If Detwiler doesn’t get the start Saturday, look for Washington to seriously consider right-hander Craig Stammen.”

“Stammen is throwing very well,” Rizzo said. "He has come up with a two-seam fastball. That’s the reason for his improvement. He is getting many, many more ground balls than he has in the past. He is not on the 40-man roster yet. We have to make arrangements for that.

"Burn those #‘s…and never mention them again…we’re gonna turn this thing around… " -e chigliak, May 7, 2009
"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel

by cat daddy3000 on May 18, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Manny being Manny

Apparently Manny said that Detwiler would only stay up if he pitched a 3 hit, 8 inning shutout… what he neglected to say was that even if the kid was ona perfect game, he’d be out at the 5th inning!

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 18, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manny didn't want to fill Detwiler with promises or pressure and then blabs to the press about it.

I guess Detwiler doesn’t read or have friends sending him messages…

"Burn those #‘s…and never mention them again…we’re gonna turn this thing around… " -e chigliak, May 7, 2009
"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel

by cat daddy3000 on May 18, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should stick a picture of Daniel Canrera on his locker...

And say “mate, if you can throw better than this guy… you’re in”.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 18, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like a reasonable enticement for career advancement...

I am feeling a little sorry for Daniel. His role now seems to be as fodder to protect using any more prospective pitchers from the minors, and even that’s not working out. And he’s not mentally tough enough to be put in that role, but they’re going to keep running him out there. It’s a no win situation…

"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel

by cat daddy3000 on May 18, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To make space on the 40-man...

I think we may need to say goodbye to Dmitri Young. I look at the 40-man and he’s clearly the weakest player by far. We put Luis Atilano on the 40-man to protect him from the Rule 5 draft. I know nothing about him. Anybody?

by RoscoeNats on May 18, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inventory?

Selected by the Atlanta Braves in the first round of the 2003 amateur draft, Atilano was traded to the Nationals on August 31, 2006, for veteran utilityman Daryle Ward.

May 12, 2009,
The Harrisburg Senators placed right-handed pitcher Luis Atilano on the disabled list with a bruised right hand. Atilano was 1-3 with a 7.50 ERA in five games, all starts, with the Senators.

"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel

by cat daddy3000 on May 18, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh...

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 18, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't know what the point is of keeping this guy on the 40-man anymore

Call him up for Saturday, what the hell…

"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel
"What's in the flask, Egg......magic potion?"

by cat daddy3000 on May 19, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In other news, left-hander Mike Hinckley cleared waivers Friday and elected to become a free agent.

"Burn those #‘s…and never mention them again…we’re gonna turn this thing around… " -e chigliak, May 7, 2009
"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel

by cat daddy3000 on May 18, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes you wonder how the Nats are treating guys (Bergmann?) when they choose to take their chances elsewhere

Boswell: “The Nats started the season with a baby brigade. The more they failed, the more frightened they pitched.”

They may be more frightened of being branded a Nats relief pitcher…….

"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel

by cat daddy3000 on May 18, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Nats sure are churning through the relief pitchers careers...

Although to be honest, I really dont care what happens to some of them. It’s the ultimate mercenary position being a relief pitcher – you either cut it or move them on.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 18, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's always been a meatgrinder with the Nats, but this year they're chewing through all the guys that I thought were supposed to be the up and coming strength of the future.

And now Manny’s promising more big moves…….

RIZZO!!!

"We can’t get any worse." ...-Lyin' Joe Beimel
"What's in the flask, Egg......magic potion?"

by cat daddy3000 on May 19, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if you hung about the ballpark long enough - you might get a chance to pitch...

At least they are talking about doing something…

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 19, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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