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Nick Johnson...Not Traded? Rumor Mill Has DC Faithful Questioning Reports After Late Scratch From Sunday's Lineup...

Nick Johnson...? Rumor Mill Has DC Faithful Questioning Reports After Johnson's Late Scratch From Sunday's Lineup...

There was a link in Sunday's GameThread to an article at mlbtraderumors.com by Nat Boyle entitled, "Giants Shopping Matt Cain", in which Mr. Boyle wrote, citing an article by San Jose Mercury News' writer Andrew Baggarly, that:

"Brian Sabean has gone to market. The Giants G.M. is seeking a bat with Nick Johnson atop the list."

This was mlbtraderumors.com's second mention of the Giants/Johnson link, as mlbtr.com writer/founder Tim Dierkes had cited the same San Jose Mercury News' article a day earlier in a post entitled, "Giants Seeking A Bat", in which Mr. Dierkes had written that, (SF GM Brian), "Sabean is actively seeking a bat on the trade market," and the Mercury News' writer, Andrew Baggarly, Mr. Dierkes writes:

"...believes Nationals first baseman Nick Johnson has to be near the top of the list..."

Wanting to know what Mr. Baggarly had actually said, I followed the link to the San Jose Mercury News, where Mercury News' writer Andrew Baggerly had written, in an article entitled, "Brian Sabean evaluates team, talks about trade landscape", that the Giants' GM:

"...is  actively looking for a bat on the trade market and acknowledged one big shift: he is now considering players who are impending free agents. (No names discussed, but Nick Johnson has to be near the top of the list.)"

So...

Mr. Baggarly writes:

"No names discussed, but Nick Johnson has to be near the top of the list."

Mr. Dierkes writes that Mr. Baggarly:

"...believes Nationals first baseman Nick Johnson has to be near the top of the list..."

and finally, Mr. Boyle writes that:

"Brian Sabean has gone to market. The Giants G.M. is seeking a bat with Nick Johnson atop the list."

So that's how rumors get started...Harmless right?...Unless you happen to be a fan of the Washington Nationals who's watching the game Sunday afternoon when Nick Johnson's removed from the lineup at the very last minute...after much scrambling a few emails and about an hour, it's announced that Nick Johnson was simply suffering from "stomach discomfort", but there's enough chatter about a possible trade that MLB.com's Bill Ladson actually posts a story on his blog entitled, "Nick Johnson update" which starts with Mr. Ladson writing:

"Nationals first baseman Nick Johnson has not been traded."

Glad that's settled...

DO NOT TRADE NICK JOHNSON!!!

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DO NOT TRADE NICK JOHNSON!!!!
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HE'LL NEVER HAVE MORE VALUE!! TRADE NICK JOHNSON!!
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1) is this really a swear free zone? that seems to be against the spirit of internet blogs
2) the Nats need to trade Nick Johnson. he’s injury prone, he’s a valuable stopgap for a team for a year or two, but he doesn’t have any value for a team that is 2+ years from being competitive. trade him for the best package we can get this year, lets try to start loading the farm system, and lets get this party going

by Expatcardfan on May 24, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The no swearing/no excessive language idea is throughout the SB Nation...

…it’s just meant to avoid over-the-top language and make the site as user friendly as possible, or more accurately probably, to avoid driving people away with potentially offensive language…and since most people find they can express themselves without it as you did, I try to keep it that way…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on May 24, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Soriano management should serve as a guide, here

Look how well that turned out. The Nats could have started rebuilding a couple of years ago with that.

by Expatcardfan on May 24, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

The NJ trade (or not) will be the toughest call of the season

It’s going to be a tough call – far more so than I thought when I posted a fanpost about it a month ago.

On one hand you have a excellent hitter, top defensive first baseman, and good professional player who is making a good impact on the team. The lineup has been impressive at times this season and had we had better pitching from the bullpen, you’d have to think that you might hold the team together as we might be contenders sooner than we first thought.

But the downside to that is he IS a guy that gets hurt an awful lot. Do we cut our losses and trade when his stocks are high? Or hold onto him and try and fix the pen for next year so we have a better chance. It’s also possible that we CANT sign him and he decides to test the waters in a free agent market.

Tough call all round. It really depends on the kind of talent on offer for the trade.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 24, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted something big in return for Soriano too, but the draft picks they got resulted in an impressive '07 draft class...

…which did start the rebuilding…

’07 Draft Class

…and they also got a pick for Jose Guillen that year…

If someone were to offer high-end prospects I’d say jump at it, especially now when Johnson looks so good…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on May 24, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am 100% for trading a veteran for draft picks or solid minor league prospects

And honestly, I don’t remember exactly everything that happened in the Soriano deal. If we got some picks for him, awesome. If we just let him go outright, then what was the team thinking?

And it seems like there could be a Nick Johnson sort of irrational exuberance on the part of other teams, and what they might give up.

I don’t like trading away a guy who is a solid professional hitter, and is somewhat of a fixture here in DC now. I’m a firm believer in player loyalty. One thing I have liked seeing this year is the effect of Adam Dunn – adding a plus caliber major league hitter, who seems to have the kind of leadership and just skillful approach to the game that seems to rub off on other players.

After reading the Post article today, and seeing Martis pitch a couple of times, I think there is some potential on this staff, especially if its really going to gain Strasborg, or however you spell his name. And Hanrahan seems to be ok throwing the ball 95 again, which is nice. Obviously, the bullpen is an issue, but what seems like more of an issue to me: how can the Nats not develop an outfielder? This seems crazy to me. Hopefully Milledge figures it out.

And as for the swearing thing? F-bombs start getting dropped over at vivaelbirdos.com pretty freely after about the 4th inning. Just sayin’.

by Expatcardfan on May 24, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on Dunn...he's much more valuable than I gave him credit for while railing against his signing all winter...

I’d be surprised with Johnson’s history if anyone would give up anything substantial for him, which is why, considering the complete lack of MLB-ready 1st Base prospects in DC’s system, I’ve advocated signing Johnson for another 1-2 years and bringing up the top prospect to learn to play the position the right way…but more importantly, if Johnson’s dealt it will be a whole lot o’ Dunn at first…

— Not just a ? about why the Nationals aren’t developing outfielders…they need some middle infield help too…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on May 24, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never used to be a believer of the "add one big hitter" thing

I’m starting to, though. Watching Manny last year in LA, this year seeing how the Cardinals are struggling with no protection for Pujols because of the injuries in the lineup, Ortiz dying without Manny, the Cubs going nowhere with Aramis Ramirez out and D. Lee starting to show age, and the help that Zimmerman is getting with Dunn, I’m truly starting to believe in the “add one bat” philosophy.

Add to that the occasions where bringing in a + hitting veteran who can help coach the young’ens, I think its worth it. Especially if the lessons that a Dunn teaches the younger generation can help the Zimmerman’s of the world with the next class that comes up behind him.

by Expatcardfan on May 24, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

and yeah, i just looked at that

Zimmer^2 and Detwiler is plenty out of that draft for me

by Expatcardfan on May 24, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

McGeary late in the draft, Derek Norris...Smolinski (who went to FL in Olsen/Hammer) deal...Michael Burrgess

…that was a good draft class, I may not believe in “The Plan” but I believe in The Rizzo…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on May 24, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

its gonna take you guys some time to catch me up with the minor league system

but as long as there’s a plan that doesn’t involve 30 year old Dominican rookies, I can get on board

by Expatcardfan on May 24, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, the team that left Montreal had nothing in the system...

Thanks, MLB.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on May 24, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if the cards do not make the playoffs

Then you would trade Pujols?

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on May 24, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

NJ isn't Pujols

Im sorry but he just isn’t. And we are talking about a guy that has a terrible injury history – there is an element of cash in in case those injuries return. Its the reason we wont sign him to a 5 year deal… if he could stay healthy for a season, day in and out, then its a different story. It’s also the reason we wont get top talent trade wise.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 25, 2009 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols probably, realistically has about 5 more years of being an elite hitter

So if it didn’t look like the Cards had a realistic chance of winning the World Series in that timeframe, then yeah, I’d say trade him. And Pujols is a different kind of hitter. I’m scared to death of the $30million we’re going to have to pay him when his contract is up.

by Expatcardfan on May 25, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ownership in STL has done a great job in the last 10 - 15 years building the team back

Remember, STL was terrible in the early 90’s. And Montreal was borderline great at that time.

And Mozeliak’s approach of stockpiling the minors is preferable to the Jocketty approach of signing the big free agents. When you stockpile your farm system, every once in awhile you’ll find a Pujols or at least the Rick Ankiels/Yadier Molinas of the world. Plus, when injuries do happen when you do acquire a star, at least you hope you have a serviceable AAA guy to pull up.

Homegrown talent has to be the way to go I think primarily for that last reason – when you put all the eggs in one basket on a free agent, and they go down for some reason, there has to be a way to backfill their spot. Its a 162 game season – I think being solid on the whole 40 man roster is way more important than putting out a few stars in your starting 8 positional players. Tampa Bay last year is a great example. And the mid-late 90’s Yankees seemed to have a lot of homegrown guys, with the occasional missing piece acquired wisely, and not the ridiculous notion anymore of “$20million per free agent? What could go wrong?”

by Expatcardfan on May 25, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT?!?... NICK JOHNSON'S BEEN TRADED AND THEY'RE THROWING IN ZIMM AND DETWILER, TOO????

omigod, omigod, omigod, omigod, omigod………….

FIDDLESTICKS!!!

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 24, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm hoping you read what i was trying to say wrong

i ain’t no english major. things come out wrong sometimes

by Expatcardfan on May 24, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, nothing came out wrong in your posts...

Mine was just extending the rumour-mongering, panic-mode, no filthy language topic of this entry…

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 24, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

To distract from the impending Johnson trade........

“A strong contingent of Phillies fans in the crowd of 46,986, the biggest at Yankee Stadium since opening day, cheered wildly as Utley scored (the winning run in the 11th).

“Lidge’s ERA actually dropped to 9.15 after his fourth blown save in 12 chances this season.”

“New York put its first two batters on in the 10th but Mark Teixeira to ground into a Kearns double play.”

“Teixeira added to the stadium’s growing reputation as a launching pad with a broken-bat, solo shot off Cole Hamels in the sixth. Hamels slowly shook his head in disbelief as the drive carried over the wall in left despite Teixeira’s bat shattering, leaving him holding barely more than the handle.”

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 24, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

NJ will be worth far more next season

I have said many times that we should resign him for one more yeart!!!!

All this team needs is a bullpen. We do not need to trade for more hitters or starting pitchers. We get an awsome bullpen then we are a contender. Bull pens are easy to fix in free agency and the offseason.

Should he not want to resign with the nationals then Johnson’s stata will make him a type A free agent if he stays healthy. You can’t trade a type A free agent for another teams cast offs. Its stupid!

So do not trade nick Johnson!!!

We do not have anyone else who can play firstbase with any skill at all. .

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on May 24, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I would think Nick would want a longer contract and there's been no mention of talks...

And the better he plays, the more he might want to test the free agent market. The gamble is are someone’s prospect(s) worth more than draft picks, and a Johnson-less second half?

DNTNJ

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 25, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

If he stays healthy all season and hits like he has all season, there is no chance we’ll get a great deal on resigning him. He’ll go FA and cash in on a long term deal with good money… and we’ll not get the same sort of talent in return we might have got otherwise.

I do think that by losing NJ does leave a gaping hole at 1st that cant be filled by Dunn. I hope Rizzo has a plan for this other than praying for Dunn to be a better fielder.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on May 25, 2009 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kensing and McDoodle...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/chatter/2009/may/24/nats-win-8-5/
“Logan Kensing has accepted his assignment to Class AAA Syracuse and is back with the Chiefs.

Lastly, the Nationals have a decision to make on reliever Mike MacDougal, who they signed earlier this season. MacDougal has a 21-day out clause in his contract, “like about six other players have,” Rizzo said. That comes due tomorrow, which means the former Tigers reliever could opt for free agency if the Nationals don’t call him up. But Rizzo said they hadn’t made any decisions on roster moves."

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 25, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

McDoodle as a Chef...

6 G, 6.1 IP, (0-0), 1.42 ERA, 2 SV, 5 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 5 K’s. .217 AVG.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on May 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I suppose he could find another gig with those stats. Or, take his chances and stay. I don't see them calling him up without some major drama.

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 25, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, they're switching Mock back to being a starter to get him innings....

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 25, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless they decide to destroy Bergmann or Colome again....

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 25, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

MacDougal should come up

If he still has stuff. I was living in KC when he caught fire there for a bit, and 5 years ago at least he was worth watching. And given the help the Nats need in middle relief, adding a veteran goofy looking middle reliever from within can’t be a bad idea.

by Expatcardfan on May 25, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Cain for Nick Johnson

I’d do it in a heart beat. Trade NJ while he has a market! Matt Cain would be an excellent return.

by Andrew Davidson on May 25, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Cain is a pretty solid pitcher. And adding him to the rotation gives the option of moving somebody from the rotation to AAA to get some work, and you can’t have enough starting pitching. Not familiar with Cain’s contract, though.

by Expatcardfan on May 25, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

"...dangling Matt Cain"? "Absolutely false."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?blogid=22&entry_id=40632

“I have the utmost respect for the reporting ability of my talented friend and San Jose Mercury competitor Andrew Baggarly.

I don’t know if I’m right. I don’t know if he’s right. But the fact is, he wrote a rather jarring paragraph that said the Giants are dangling Matt Cain to other teams to gauge his trade value. I ran that by a very high-level source with the Giants, and he said, “Absolutely false.”

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine there's any substance behind this rumor

I believe that San Francisco is after Johnson, but it just doesn’t seem logical any way that you look at it:

1) There’s definitely been plenty of hope that the Nats have seen from their starting pitching. I like what I’ve seen, and don’t think that Rizzo is/should be targeting a starter if he deals Johnson.

2) As poor as Brian Sabean’s track record is, he’d be CRAZY to trade Cain for Johnson. I’m sorry… I’ve been a fan since long before the team moved from Montreal. I like Johnson. If I’m Mike Rizzo and Sabean even wants to discuss Matt Cain for Nick Johnson (even with something else [small] thrown in), I’m asking where I sign and taking the deal before he can change his mind!

I make that statement despite how impressed I’ve been with the starting pitching (sans the removed Cabrera and the injured Olsen). Overlook the win totals… Cain is probably one of the top twenty starters (might be going on the low side with that, actually…. I wouldn’t say top ten, but top 15 might be about right) in baseball. He’s still just 24, and he’s under the Giants’ control through 2011.

Again, we’re talking a 24-year-old with a 3.63 lifetime ERA, a 1.28 WHIP, and a 599:301 K:BB ratio (pretty much 2:1) in 714 innings. He’s extremely durable, having averaged 202 innings in his first three full seasons. Under contract through this season and still eligible for two more years of arbitration.

Johnson is a 30-year-old oft-injured first baseman who is money as an all-around hitter when he’s healthy, but doesn’t blow you away with his power at, quite frankly, a power position. He is a free agent at year’s end.

So, yeah… I’m sure there are discussions about Nick Johnson coming from San Francisco. No… I don’t think Cain’s name really came up. My guess is that a prospect package was involved, though the rumors out of San Fran are that they won’t part with any of their top prospects (Posey, Bumgartner, Alderson… didn’t see old wunderkind Angel Villalona mentioned in my search, but doubt the Nats are going to be pressing for a Dominican kid who signed at 16 after the whole Smiley mess anyway). I would think someone like a Sergio Romo (began the year on the DL, and looks ready to come up from his rehab assignment… seriously, check out his big league/minor league numbers and tell me he wouldn’t be a fit in the bullpen) plus a mid-level prospect would probably sound about right. I’m not sure how much the Giants would be willing to add with Romo, but it would be need for need.

Note: Romo’s inclusion is not a rumor… just someone I’m speculating I think would be attainable and a fit in terms of need.

I know there’s a big Do Not Trade Nick Johnson faction on here. I believe that if you can make your team better on the whole by moving him, you have no choice. Based on everything my eyes have told me for since 2001, when Johnson broke into the big leagues, I don’t believe his trade value is ever going to be higher. Nor do I think that one healthy season is going to make his free agent status Type A or anything (i.e, compensation of a first rounder [if the team that signs him picks in the bottom half] or second rounder [if the team that signs him picks in the top half] and a sandwich pick) if he leaves via free agency. The fact that the team remains overloaded at the corner outfield spots with a couple of potential 1b options means that I don’t think the Nats have much of an intention to re-sign him at year’s end, but stranger things have happened.

If Rizzo can grab a young reliever who has impressed at every level (including the major league level) and is under team control for the next five years and snag something small, deal him. If Rizzo could have gotten Matt Cain, this deal would have been done already.

by bluelineswinger on May 25, 2009 3:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I know it’s apples and grapefruits in the field, but I would like to have a freaking report on Dmitri Young. Is he thinner? Is he hitting? Is he pain free? Is his head in the game? Did the Nats want us just to forget about him like Smiley the Liar? Since we’re obviously not trading Nick Nick for a 1B, we need something better than Belliard over there.

And I think we all know Orr. Casto and Langerhans are not the answer.

by RoscoeNats on May 25, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

His brother's been back for 4 days I think.

Oh well. Just wondering.

I’m outta here till tonight. Beat the METSIES.

by RoscoeNats on May 25, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lackadaisical Senators ....... Guzman and Montz

http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2009/05/lackadaisical_senators_bounced.html#more

   “Senators manager John Stearns yanked two veterans from the starting lineup for showing suspicious effort on the field and probably would have pulled even more if he had the resources to replace them.
Joel Guzman was axed after he managed just a single on a ball off the wall in the third inning, a hit that scored Ofilio Castro from first. And C Luke Montz was erased after casually throwing the ball back to RHP Zack Segovia as Baysox baserunners Daniel Figueroa and Dave Krynzel stole third and second base in the sixth.”

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

http://natsfarm.com/
“Jesus Flores joins the team for a re-hab stint and likely will see Montz benched for most of the week for various transgressions in the weekend series.”

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"No. I don’t manage like that" -Frank Robinson

by cat daddy3000 on May 25, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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