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Giants' Fan - Trade Inquiry

by tedfordfan on May 25, 2009 10:26 AM EDT Comment 20 comments

Given the fact that the Giants have lots of quality pitching and no hitting; and the Nats have quality hitting but no pitching, they are logical trade partners. I know the value of the Giant's arms, but want to know more about what Nats fans think about their bats. Specifically, I want to know the value of two: 1) Nick Johnson and 2) Ryan Zimmerman.

I know, I know... there's no way you're going to trade Zimmerman. I get that. I just want to hear your thoughts on his value relative to what the Giants have.

For your convenience, below is a list of young Giants pitchers you may or may not be interested in. By no means is this list exhaustive, but I've listed the pitchers that I think actually have value and, for the most part, don't want the Giants to trade (with one notable exception). Relievers are denoted with an * and lefties with a #.

ML:

Tim Lincecum

Matt Cain

Jonathan Sanchez (#)

Merkin Valdez*

Brian Wilson*

Barry Zito (# - He's only 31! Pretty please?)

AAA:

Alex Hinshaw* (#)

Osirios Matos*

Kevin Pucetas

Billy Sadler*

Sergio Romo*

AA:

Tim Alderson

Madison Bumgarner (#)

Henry Sosa

Waldis Juaquin*

Jesse English* (#)

Ben Snyder* (#)

Scott Barnes (#)

Edwin Quiarte*

Wilamin Rodriguez* (#)

Clayton Tanner (#)

Would a package centering on Merkin Valdez (who has legit closer potential) be enough to get Johnson?

What about a package centering on Sanchez and Alderson? Enough for Zimmerman?

Thanks in advance for your comments!

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ok

the interest meter goes like this

lincecum would be a ten but we all know he is not leaving the bay

cain and sanchez are the two I would want. Cain would be even with Johnson if this abundance of pitching is all gold talent. But I think Sabaen is not going to do that and you are correct, Valdez will be the one that the Nats get.

by bwebsox2 on May 25, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The one thing

Zimmermann is not leaving DC. Everyone knows that. But I don’t see a major league GM trading Nick Johnson who has been injured and playing backup for the past 2 years for Matt Cain who is a pretty good starter. The numbers there are just not logical. The Nats would try for a starting pitcher, but maybe Johnson could go for a good reliever or maybe two okay minor league players. Would a Matos-Johnson trade go through?

PS: where did Giants prospect John Bowker?

by JackofAllTrades on May 25, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Forgot to put this word after John Bowker

go?

by JackofAllTrades on May 25, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bowker is in AAA. He slumped badly in the second half and his defensive liabilities at 1B showed in the second half as well. He was optioned this year and has returned to the OF, where he is much more comfortable. His plate discipline and power are coming back and he’s putting together a pretty good year. I didn’t think he had a chance to contribute much at the beginning of the year, but he’s making me rethink things. He could be a good piece to a trade as well.

Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?

by tedfordfan on May 26, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thank You

I forgot to read up on him this year. I think he would be a good piece. But would you trade a good hitting outfielder for a okay lefthanded bat that is a liability at 1st. I woulnd’t go in on those numbers.

by JackofAllTrades on May 26, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, a) there’s no spot for him – he’s blocked; b) I don’t really believe in his bat; c) have you seen the production we’ve gotten from 1B this year?

/shudder

Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?

by tedfordfan on May 26, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ryan Zimmerman

Is a better all round player right now than anyone on the giants roster. I wouldn’t trade him straight up right now for Lincecum! Zim helps us more.

I would rather not trade NJ either. We have no other firstbasemen that give us what he does.

What we need are outstanding infield gloves that come with good bats, a setupman, and a closer.

We have either Kearns or Willingham to trade.

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on May 25, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The giants big mistake was signing Renteria

He cost your team far more than he was going to be worth unless he turned into the Renteria of 3-4 years ago when he was probably juicing. Vizquel would likely have won you just as many games, because he can still field. Renteria can’t.

When I look at your team I see a big need for a right handed power hitter. NJ does not fit that mold.

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on May 25, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Renteria has actually been solid in the field and at the plate – looks way better than last year. Not great, but solid, which is a HUGE improvement from last year when we got the second worst production in all of baseball from the SS position (to the O’s). Yeah, we overpaid, but it’s only a 2 year deal, so most Giants fans don’t really think it’s that big a deal.

Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?

by tedfordfan on May 26, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When I look at your team I see a big need for a ~~right handed power~~ hitter.

Fixed.

Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?

by tedfordfan on May 27, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd give the Giants

whatever they ask for Matt Cain and a solid arm for relief.

unless ofcourse, that’s Ryan Zimmerman.

I would trade Josh Willingham and Nick Johnson for Matt Cain and a reliever. I like Nick Johnson, but not trading him will not help us. If we can land a quality reliever without trading NJ, that’d be cool, but unlikely.

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by Andrew Davidson on May 26, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why we have tons of young pitching talent and are about to draft strassburg

We need defense, a setupman, and a closer. trading two of our three best gloves would make the team much worse!!!

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on May 26, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know why...

we can’t resign Chad Cordero, and give him a month in AAA to get his stuff together. IF he doesn’t release him. Also, the Rockies just signed Jaun Rincon. Maybe we could try and nab him somehow. And if the Padres don’t claim Matt Belisle, maybe we could nab him and try him out.

Rebuild and Restock.

by trademaker on May 27, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Chad's with the Mariners now.

Anyone know if he’s throwing again yet?

"We are all jinxers in NatsTown™." --cat daddy3000

by Doghouse on May 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was out all of last season

he has to be throwing by now.

Rebuild and Restock.

by trademaker on May 27, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

WE DO NOT NEED pitchers

for the rotation. We have 6 outstanding youngsters for our rotation and are about to draft Strassburg. We have all the starting pitching this team needs for several years to come (if not a decade). WHAT WE NEED is defense in the middle infield and center field. Statistically we are the worst defensive team in baseball. Defense is costing our starting pitchers about half a run per 9 innings maybe more. WE ALSO NEED a setup man and a closer. The Giants do not have what we need to be good. We should not trade with them.

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on May 26, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Actually...

we have a lot of young, ML-ready power arms for the bullpen (Valdez, Hinshaw, Sadler, Wilson), power armed prospects who project as relievers (Sosa, Juaquin) and others who could contribute right away (Martinez, Romo). All of them have less than 2 years service time and all of them project to be very solid contributors to a bullpen (exception to Hinshaw and Sadler if their control issues return).

Personally, not being a huge fan of closers (I think they’re generally overrated), I’d be happy to throw Wilson’s name out in trade talks, but I know that Sabean never would.

We also have a fantastic young defensive 2B from Washington DC, Emmanuel Burriss, whom I would consider expendable, as we have Kevin Frandsen and others who could play second for us.

Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?

by tedfordfan on May 27, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong, you can never have enough pitching!! Never, ever, ever, EVER!

The chance of every one of our good SP prospects turning out to be what they are projected to be is 0%. It just never happens. Gotta have a pipeline!!

by thehoagster07 on May 28, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but

you can never have enough good pitching…every year teams need more pitching and the nationals need to get that through their head…this team has a effective offense and just needs to improve defense and pitching…i think defense is easily found in the off season but when we can trade nick johnson for a good pitcher we should do it since the nats are not a nick johnson away from winning

by bwebsox2 on May 27, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I hope...

Johnson & Willingham for Cain was a joke.

The Giants GM would deserve to get punched in the face by every resident of SF for doing that trade, Cain should go for a star position player and nothing less.
(BTW I’m not a SFG fan)
I hate fans thinking they can trade their crap(Not Johnson hes good but hes a rental, and a constant injury worry)for another teams valuable players.

Cain for Zimmerman is perfectly fair, but it won’t happen.

by Ohpityme on Jun 13, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs