Rob Dibble and Rob Neyer: TWITTER FIGHT!!!
MASN's Washington Nationals Analyst Rob Dibble and ESPN writer Rob Neyer had a rather mean-spirited indirect argument over the internets last night as Mr. Dibble responded to Mr. Neyer's article at ESPN.com entitled, "Nats, Dunn can't fight City Hall", in which Mr. Neyer quotes the transcript of Rob Dibble and Bob Carpenter's call of Adam Dunn's bases loaded backwards K near the end of Randy Johnson's 300th win, and comments on the call on the field and in the broadcast booth...
Dibble and Carpenter both originally questioned the call and wondered aloud if Randy Johnson's milestone victory wasn't being ushered along by the home plate umpire in what admittedly sounds a little like the defensive tone that most of the Nationals blogs have taken in response to the sort of sentiments that the entire baseball world, as exemplified here by Mr. Neyer, expresses in just about every article about the DC franchise, as Mr. Neyer takes a moment in his article to call the Nationals, "...the biggest joke in the game."
Mr. Dibble argued, during the broadcast, that the strike, which he refers to as a "knee strike", isn't called anymore by umpires, and he went on to say that the umpire, "...can't just call strikes because a guy is going for his 300th victory," but Mr. Neyer counters that most pitch trackers determined that the pitch was indeed a strike, and writes that as close as the call was, with the evidence before them, and knowing Dunn's willingness to take a walk when he can...:
"There simply wasn't any (good) reason for anyone in the dugout -- of for that matter, the broadcast booth -- to get worked up over a borderline pitch that was quite possibly called correctly."
-- Here's how it the pitch (6) looked on MLB.com's Gameday, and to be honest, my original reaction was that it was a strike or at the very least, in a full count, too close for Dunn to take:
-- And here''s Pitch F/X data, which again finds that the pitch was a strike.
-- But, here's what Mr. Dibble, Mr. Carpenter and anyone watching on MASN saw, as captured in a screencap by Bugs and Cranks' writer Mark Townsend:
Mr. Neyer's article then turns somewhat personal as he recounts his opinion of Mr. Dibble's post-baseball career in broadcasting, in a way that's slightly uncomfortable, barbed as it is with the usual complaints about Mr. Dibble, as when Mr. Neyer writes that the former Cincy Reds' reliever, "...is still a blowhard who believes that if you didn't play the game you don't know anything about it," and also notes that Mr. Dibble, "...is smarter than you probably think."
Mr. Dibble's response? Delivered via tweet, on Dibble's Twitter page:
"It's funny to have college dropout Rob Neyer transcribe MASN broadcasts*, hey Rob, I've got a leaky roof, can you come over and fix it? lol"
...and later:
"The fact that Neyer and Keith Law have HOF votes proves writers should no longer have the right to vote..."
(ed. note - "Anyone else just get really uncomfortable? These guys know this stuff is out there for everyone to read, right? I mean they're really just trading cliched personal insults with one another. Note: * = the transcript Mr. Neyer cites with the quotes from the MASN broadcast was actually transcribed by Bugs and Cranks' writer Mark Townsend in a post which used Dibble's quote as a title, "Rob Dibble: You just can't call strikes because a guy is going for his 300th victory". So, uh...anyone want to talk about Stephen Strasburg?)
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Probably the best press we've had all season.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."
by Mezza on Jun 8, 2009 3:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dunn is 6' 6" tall, I thought it was a ball, too
Dibble has complained before at low strike calls on Dunn.
Anyway, Dibs fun to listen to. He wants the young pitchers to
throw strikes and be aggressive. Isn’t that exactly what MacCatty is saying?
And he doesn’t like losing. Neither do I.
by gengreen17 on Jun 8, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Other than his inability to understand the point of the 'Quality Start' stat, Dibs is okay.
Sure, he’s a blowhard, but no one else is going to stand up for the Nats right now.
We are all jinxed in NatsTown™.
by Doghouse on Jun 8, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness I thought it was a strike down the guts.
And being a 4 seamer I thought it tailed up a touch too.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."
by Mezza on Jun 8, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dibble tweet?
Couldn’t find the Dibble tweet on his page. Must have gotten pulled?
by Redsauce on Jun 8, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mmm, uh-oh...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike?
I was at the game sitting in the third row behind the 3rd base dugout, eyes trained on the plate. The pitch was close, but not a strike. Should have Dunn swung? Probably; he has been around long enough to know umpires are human. In addition to RJ’s 300th win on the line, it was raining pretty hard, there was a second game to be played that night, and the strikezone for RJ had been generous all day. As for the little spat, I like Dibble as much as I disliked Darling, and that’s a lot. Neyer is a tool, make that a power tool.
by flippin1166 on Jun 8, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the pitch was too close to take for sure, though some in the gamethread that day vigorously disagreed with my opinion...
I do like Rob Dibble, been listening to him since his time on the Dan Patrick radio show…
I’d like to think that an umpire wouldn’t base his calls on the weather, or a need to speed up a game for logistical reasons, but i’m sure it does happen and will again…
Thanks for the eyewitness account!
And I’ll give Dibble a +1 on “Not A Strike” on your behalf!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to point out
that Neyer jumped the gun by using Pitch f/x data. Pitch f/x properly calculates the width of the plate and therefore the strikezone but it does not adjust for the heights/stance of the batter. Therefore, while the width of the pitch f/x strike zone can be trusted, the vertical size is a rough estimate and shouldn’t have been used by Neyer as evidence that it was in fact a strike. With that being said, that first picture from the two frame live action shot, looks like a borderline strike to me and Dibble assertion that “umps don’t call knee strikes anymore” is not relevant as it still is a strike according to the rule book and I don’t know if I really believe that anymore as the rulebook strikezone has been greatly enforced in the last couple of years.
Either way, both these men, who I like for completely different reasons, are embarssing themselves.
by Sokojoe on Jun 8, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…and entertaining others in the process.
The fact of life remains that each umpire has a strike zone which (usually) is consistent throughout the game. By that late in the game Dunn should have known what to expect the ump to call a strike and what to call a ball. Dunn was likely upset at himself for not at least trying to put wood on the ball and took it out on the ump. How original.
When the roof happens, it will rain.
by boteman on Jun 8, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I don’t think that screen capture is a good illustration of where the pitch was relative to Dunn’s knees throughout his entire stance. He’s at the point in his stance where his back knee is as low as it could possibly be, but if you were to extrapolate the location of the ball relative to his front knee at that very moment in time, you would find that it’s far lower. Throughout the majority of that pitch’s trajectory, you’d probably find that, on average, that ball was substantially lower than both of Dunn’s knees.
by nowayback on Jun 8, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Factor in the standard catcher lift when he catches that low pitch, and it looks even more ballish...
Even if Dunn had taken a swing, where does that ball end up? It’s not going far…
First reaction was why didn’t he swing, he was looking to walk…
At this point, I think it was the kind of low pitch that’s rarely if ever called a strike…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn does have some mighty long Fibulas and Tibias. Just saying.
BEAT THE REDS!!!
by RoscoeNats on Jun 9, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thankfully for rob dibble's sake
neyer and law wont get to vote for the HOF for another 10 years or so.
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on Jun 8, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
They were recently given credentials for the BBWAA (and deservedly so).
I’ve said it earlier, I’m becoming a Dibble fan because of his outspoken nature. But Dibble was wrong here, I agree with Neyer. And what’s the big deal anyway? Announcers say stupid things all the time, this was just another one.
by Redsauce on Jun 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never read too much of Mr. Neyer's writing, but I have a lot of respect for Keith Law's work and opinions...
I also like Dibble’s announcing so far this year, in that finally someone is not only sticking up for the Nationals, but clearly pointing out what is wrong with the team as well, in fact, I think he made the case for Daniel Cabrera’s removal from the DC rotation so clearly that it must have had some influence…
Why Mr. Neyer took it to a personal level rather than just question the calls (pitch and broadcast) is what had me interested…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's teh interwebs...
…the only valid arguments are ad hominem…
We are all jinxed in NatsTown™.
by Doghouse on Jun 8, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually....
You have to be in the BBWAA for 10 years to vote for the HOF. So, in fact, Neyer and Law can’t at this time vote for the HOF even though they are members of the fickle BBWAA
by madmax2170 on Jun 8, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite right...
and poop on that. Guess that HOF voter’s collective IQ is still somewhere around the level of my dog’s best work.
by Redsauce on Jun 9, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard the argument about who gets to vote often...
…i’m trying to remember who it was, but someone made an egregious ommision this year that did in my mind finally call into question who exactly is voting for the HOF…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corky forgetting Rickey?
You mean this?
http://homerderby.com/archives/2247
There are a fair number of idiots in the BBWAA who can vote for the HOF. That’s why the HOF isn’t what it could be and why it was great to see them bump up the average IQ by 10 points by adding Neyer and Law.
by Redsauce on Jun 8, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. that's definitely the one, and someone else this year voted for a ROY candidate that wasn't eligible...
Thanks for looking that up, I’m on my iPhone, which can do a lot, but not copy/paste.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wait 'til 3.0, baby!
Oh, yeah—it’ll be SWEET! Slicker than a 9-3-6 double play… (er, FC + PO, that is…)
We are all jinxed in NatsTown™.
by Doghouse on Jun 8, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe you're thinking of Volquez
Edinson Volquez, that is. Just saw that Neyer tweeted linking to this article, but that’s all he’s got on it. Still can’t find Dibble’s original tweets. Maybe this is all made up?
by Redsauce on Jun 8, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dibble definitely took the tweets and I assure you, I did not fabricate this, the original messages are still on my phone...
Back later, thanks for the info…
I definitely looked at Volquez when I was picking my year-end awards, and had to check the inning-eligibility line, but within two minutes I knew he had been around too long…and my vote was just for fun…just think folks should be a little more careful…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"took the tweets down" whether it was Dibble or someone else who removed them, they're gone...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There must be an app for copy and paste. I see the commercials. You could launch a rocket ship with that think.
Apparently Buster Olney said this today…from MLBTR.
Olney wonders if the Nats will offer Stephen Strasburg a record deal- say $18-20MM- immediately and stick with that offer until the August 15th signing deadline.
=
Roscoe again…
I can see Boras now with his calculator…let’s see 20k more tickets for the first few starts at 40 dollars each including food…times X, times Y, plus 10%. Sure, 45 million. Makes perfect sense.
OR, since the Nats can’t pick Strasburg next year, and Stras would surely like to play for the A’s since they’re closer to home…Boras gives a slight discount on Ackley if we skip him and let the Mariners have him.
I know. Conspiracy theory…and in the wrong thread.
by RoscoeNats on Jun 8, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a big Dibble fan...
i really don’t enjoy him referring to the Nats as “we”. he had nothing to do with the Nationals. i really wish the local broadcasters used a little more impartiality when calling the games…then, if they had something constructive to say, it could be taken a little more seriously.
i really think the causal fan, the ones watching and listening to MASN, are being poisoned. they see this “passion” and “frustration” out of Dibble (and to a lesser extent, Ray Knight) and assume he cares, and they see the manager as stoic and uninvolved…when it’s the complete opposite.
Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com
by Dave at Nats News Network on Jun 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You probably have a point...
He’s getting paid to watch baseball, he’d be a fan of whatever team he’s getting paid to announce. The difference is that normal announcers seem to parrot the company line, regardless of what’s really going on. It’s refreshing (though sometimes annoying) to hear Dibble do something different. He just was very stupidly wrong in this case.
by Redsauce on Jun 8, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pre and postgame shows along with the announcoing booth have a company man along with a loose cannon.
Dibs makes some good points and goes a little too nuts on the umpires. Like it or not, we’re talking a lot more about Dibs than we did about Don Sutton last year. Every night…keep your glove down and bring it up. Every night…Heinie Manush. And so forth.
by RoscoeNats on Jun 8, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya Roscoe...
but should we be talking about the announcers, or the team?
one of the biggest problems that the Nationals have is their lack of history (all apologies E, but their heritage “en Montreal” doesn’t belong to DC), and since two franchises were yanked away from DC before, the history associated with those teams are blighted. great to see Frank Howard out there every once in a while, but even he spent more time working for the Yankees than in DC.
this team has no Cal Ripken. it has no Yogi Berra. shoot, even the D-Backs have Mark Grace and the Marlins have Jeff Conine. we got nuthin’. so we get stuck with Rob Dibble, the biggest mouth they could find that would take the gig.
Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com
by Dave at Nats News Network on Jun 8, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe in the big picture, Dibs is there to keep us from talking about the team...
…they’re horrible.
by RoscoeNats on Jun 8, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Les Expos vivant!!!
But, Dave, I fully understand why DC fans feel no connection the Expos, just don’t want to see their history completely forgotten…
eMb
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Staub, Dawson, Galarragga, Raines, Bryn Smith
i know my Spo’s.
Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com
by Dave at Nats News Network on Jun 8, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a compromise? Once a year, The Nationals don the powder blues and the pinwheel cap...
…and the National retire the Expos’ #’s…?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's it, that's The Jinx!!!........Accept and honour the Expos and all will be well!!!
But, go with the last classy unis…… My eyes do not accept the powder blues anymore…
"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"So it's clowns for the next two months, then?" by Graysnail on Jun 7, 2009
by cat daddy3000 on Jun 9, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's THE REAL EXPOS JINX!!! EMBRACE THE PAST, BEFORE MOVING ON TO THE FUTURE...
WEAR THE eMb ONE MORE TIME!! ONE MORE TIME!!! ONE MORE TIME!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 9, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Joe weighs in...
From the recent Posnanski/James column at http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/06/08/james.walks/index.html:
“Joe: I think this is why one of my favorite players in baseball is Washington’s Adam Dunn. Every year he hits you 40 home runs (exactly 40 — he hit 40 homers in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008) and every year he walks about 110 times (he might walk 109 times this year since an old umpire friend of mine, Tim Timmons, called him out on ball four in the Randy Johnson 300th-victory game). Basically, that’s what he offers. Power and walks.”
by Redsauce on Jun 9, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I truly and honestly underestimated his power/OBP contributions until he joined the Nationals...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jun 9, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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