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Washington Nationals Draft Preview--Stephen Strasburg: Savior, or Destined for Failure?


"Strasburg is the best player in this draft class and the best college pitching prospect of at least the past 20 years, if not in the history of the draft." --Keith Law's scouting report from ESPN.com Insider Draft Analysis.

"An argument not to take Strasburg has to at least offer a viable alternative... but this year's draft class doesn't offer one. He clearly is the right choice, his performance backs it up and the history of the draft doesn't give sufficient ammunition to send Washington in another direction." --Keith Law, June 8, 2009.


"This is my 36th draft. I've never seen anything like this." --A scout, quoted by Tim Keown in the latest issue of ESPN The Magazine.

"The best amateur pitcher I've seen in my 27 years in the draft." --Strasburg's agent, Scott Boras.


Is Stephen Strasburg destined to fail? How good does he have to be to live up to the hype?


For the sake of argument, let's assume the Nationals draft Strasburg with the number one overall pick in Tuesday's MLB First Year Player Draft. Then, let's further assume that the Nationals bring him under contract at the signing deadline of August 15 at midnight.

For sake of this argument, we won't speculate on numbers, since there are reports of everything from $10.5 million (the previous record given to Mark Prior) up to the $50 million number than Scott Boras reportedly has been throwing out to anyone that would listen.

But let's just say the Nats get Strasburg signed by August 15. What are your expectations? Call him up immediately? Have him make a couple starts in the minors? Shut him down for the year?

Then what? What would make you, a Nats fan (presumably) happy? What if they go into spring training and Strasburg doesn't immediately dominate? The reports make this kid sound like Doc Gooden and Nolan Ryan rolled into one.

Big. Strong. 100-MPH fastball. Unhittable slider. A change so good that he can't throw it to college hitters because they are all that late on his fastball anyway. Impeccable control. Great makeup. Well preserved by college coach and Hall of Famer Tony Gwynn.

But there are warnings; respected baseball writers are lining up taking the opposite stance. There's been an awful lot of press leading up to the draft warning folks about the perils of drafting a pitcher number one overall. Thomas Boswell started it back in March. He's tempered his stance just a bit, but only just a bit, so that if he fails he can remain sitting on his high horse.

Rob Neyer picked up the ball from Boz and ran with it, too.

Over the weekend, Alan Schwartz of the New York Times almost sounded gleeful as he described some famous flame-outs.

So I ask again, what will it take? Barring injury, what can Nats fans reasonably expect out of Strasburg, a player that seemingly has no shot to live up to his hype? Will anything short of perennial Cy Young candidate suffice?

Does he have to be a Cy Young candidate right out of the box to not be considered a failure? How many years do you give him? Tim Lincecum won the Cy Young in his second full season at age 24. Is that good enough? C.C. Sabathia won in his seventh season at age 26. Can you wait that long?

What if he turns into a good, occasional all-star? What if he turns out to be a serviceable, dependable starter but not all-star quality?

Would merely being good be good enough?

Poll
What do you expect out of Strasburg?
Perennial Cy Young candidate
31 votes
Perennial All-Star, occasional Cy candidate
53 votes
Dependable starter
39 votes
Occasional All-Star, one Cy
21 votes
One or two All-Stars
6 votes
Destined to fail
25 votes

175 votes | Poll has closed

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The optimists amongst the DC Faithful are winning out in your poll thus far, NNN...

…but given the # of sure-things who have fizzled in the past, the odds are against Strasburg becoming the perennial ace/all-star/Cy Young-candidate, a lot of players have hit triple digits, had nasty benders, looked dominant against lesser competition…but unless Strasburg has them all fooled, since I don’t think there are too many scouts, if any, who doubt the kid’s talent, the Nationals are as close now as they’ve been in their five year existence to having a genuine ace…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate to be the lone voice of pessimism

But i think Bos’ makes the point.
Boswell again on Strasburg

There has never been a HOF/outstanding #1 pick as a pitcher…. ever. Right now im hoping the kid doesnt end up like Wood/Prior and blow his arm. If he wins one Cy Young ill be over the moon. But its fair to say there must be long odds on him being the second coming of Nolan.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on Jun 8, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BOSWELL!!!!

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Ed Chigliak on Jun 8, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a first time for everything...

…if it were up to Manny, would he use Boswell’s argument and not take Strasburg? Manny likes to play the percentages…sometimes…not always.

by ROSCOEtheNATSfan on Jun 9, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that you dont take him.

I just think we all shouldnt get carried away and chisel his name into the HOF. The kid still has to learn how to pitch at the MLB level, stay healthy and have a good attitude. All the talent in the world doesn’t always equal success.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on Jun 9, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree. I picked dependable starter in the poll.

That’s all we can ask for. Anything else is gravy.

by ROSCOEtheNATSfan on Jun 9, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone can live up to this hype, and I wish there was a position player deemed worthy.

   I also don’t wish to suffer through the negotiations, but that’s what we’ll all have to do.

    If he helps so I can go back to being interested in checking the standings again, rather than the status of minor league players, then I’m all for him….

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"So it's clowns for the next two months, then?" by Graysnail on Jun 7, 2009

by cat daddy3000 on Jun 9, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jun 9, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Mezza

Hype ruins a player faster than drugs or woman. Plus, he has a delivery that seems likely to cause arm trouble, so I see little chance he ends up in the Hall of fame. But, my main objection is that he will need 3-4 years in the minors to get good before he ever sees the mahjor league mound. But at that expected salary, he will be brought up early if not right away. Then he will overthrow because he is trying to hard, and then he will suck or get hurt. The most we can hope for is the career of Kris Benson. So it is very unlikely Strassburg will be worth the money, and the expense may kill the franchise for the next five years or more.

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jun 9, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Despite the above I do not see how Rizzo and company can't take strassburg

To try and fail is more rewarded in sports than to not try at all. If they do not draft Strassburg then ESPN, the Post, and co will rip them for years. We will get the worst drafts of all time segments with strassburg being the worst not taken of all time. And this pucky will go on until Strassburg is selling cars somewhere in his 30s. Meanwhile, the team that drafts him will sell out every Strassburg start in the next few seasons. That will defer some of the cost. So I kind of see us getting royally screwed unless we can get him for not more than Prior ($10 million).

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jun 9, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My hope

Is that we can sign him to about $10 million base plus incentives. That we are not forced to play him in the majors right away. I then hope he spends 2 seasons in the minors before he even gets a cup of coffee in the majors, then 1-2 more with september call ups and Spring trainings. In other words, he has time to turn himself into more of a pitcher before he has to shoulder the weight of the franchise.

for those who think this a bad strategy. Not Zinn was absolutely lights out last season in the minors (era was 1 something if I am recalling correctly). Then ZIM had one of the best Springs I have ever seen with a 16k to 1 BB at one point. Look how his era looks right now.
Now imagin if ZiM(n) had Strassburgs expectations!!!! What would that do to his head. He would have rick Ankiel meltdown and turn into DC,

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jun 9, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well thought out and rational, PhD........

The odds of Strassburg’s career playng out as you describe are great, but the Nats are backed into a corner and must play it as if he’ll live up to the hype and more.

My hope is that the Nats throw $20-25mil and start the arb clock immediately at him and he accepts at the press conference tonight. That is as likely as them drafting me.
Boras enjoys the negotiating game too much for that rational part to emerge.

"It's just too bad, because it reflects on us, the coaching staff." -Manny Acta
"So it's clowns for the next two months, then?" by Graysnail on Jun 7, 2009

by cat daddy3000 on Jun 9, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what i expect

i think they draft Strasburg, sign him to a major league contract on Aug 15 around $20 million, give him two starts in rookie ball and then shut him down for the season. then, send him out to winter ball and see what you have. invite him to major league spring training, probably bringing him up around memorial day, like the O’s did with Wieters this year.

Brian, there’s no way he spends the better part of 2 or 3 seasons in the minors.

heaven help them if they don’t draft him.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at Nats News Network on Jun 9, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not even heaven, NNN...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Ed Chigliak on Jun 9, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we've made our bed - lets hope we can sleep in it.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand."

by Mezza on Jun 9, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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