FRD(Fire Rob Dibble)
Enough with these obsolete 1920 "baseballisms" please?
The situation:
• Men on first and second, one out Dunn at the dish.
• After working the count to 3-2, Dunn takes a pitch that the strikebox(and, let's be honest, the naked eye) Clocks as at least 2 inches off the outside corner. This is somehow called a strike.
• We all know umpires suck, there isn't much to be done about that.
• What did bother me, however,was Rob DIbble's assertion that Dunn should have SWUNG(yes, really) at the pitch because "he shouldn't be trying to take a walk in that situation."
After the blood vessel burst in my brain, I decided I was going to tell you fine folks how I felt about this.
Now, in the interest of fairness:
There have been times that Dunn has taken called 3rd strikes in situations where I felt the pitch was too good to take.... This was not one of those times.
Bottom Line: Adam Dunn is not "looking to take a walk" in that situation. That was not a pitch that was able to be hit, and thus, Dunn took it. His thought process may have been that it's better to have the bases loaded and one out than men on first and second and two out. (what an idiot, right?....right?)
"Adam Dunn gets paid to dive in runs." This, in part, is true. However, if the situation to drive in said runs does not present itself, isn't his job not to make an out? I feel like he gets paid for doing that, that too.
For Rob Dibble (or anyone, for that matter) to say that Adam Dunn(or anyone, for that matter) should swing at a pitch 2 inches outside the strikezone truly is mind boggling. Pitchers WANT hitters to swing at pitches like that, they are not in an area where they can be hit well. Why anyone(besides the opposing team) would want a hitter to help out a pitcher, rather than force him to throw strikes is far beyond me.
But to be honest, announcers say stupid stuff like this all the time? Why should this get to me?
Because it promotes the disemination of baseball ignorance. People hear Dibble say things like that and they think "well he must know more than I do, he must be right." Therefore, people go on believeing things like "you're supposed to expand the zone with two strikes." It's dumb baseball, and if you practice it, you are very likely to fail. Adam Dunn didn't get to be the hitter that he is by expanding the strike zone because Rob Dibble thinks that's how gamers play. If The pitch is that far off the plate, it should be taken. If the situation proceeded as it should have, then the bases are loaded with one out... how is that not helpful for scoring runs?
This has nothing to do with elitist stat geek SABRmetrics... this is only logical.. and if this is the kind of stuff Dibble perpetuates on the air, he dosen't deserve a paycheck... FRD.
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Mellow out
Dibble is way cool. He just thinks that Dunn should try and foul that one off to avoid the strike call. That’s all. At least, thats how I understood it.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
by PhDBrian on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But Why
should he try and foul a pitch off? Think about it, if the best he could possibly do was foul it off, why would you swing at it? It dosen’t make any sense… what if you miss?
the bottom line is it’s better to be a baserunner than an unnecessary out
a “smart” baseball man like dibble should understand that.
I’m totally mellow, sir. I just don’t like the fact that people continue to peddle garbage like “expand the zone.” It’s counter-productive nonsense…
(a lot of that stuff, like the blood vessel bursting, was for comedic benefit.)
by martins on Jul 31, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand
trying to stay alive on a pitch that might be called a strike, but that wasnt even close… if the sole purpose of fouling off a pitch is to try an get another one… then where is the line? should he try to foul off a pitch that bounces in the dirt, too?
by martins on Jul 31, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many years did you play in the MLB?
How many years did Dibbs?
I thought so…
by pas493 on Jul 31, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to hope this is a joke.
Eric Berry for sending the guy who wins the Heisman spinning 720 degrees in the air at the podium - or for intercepting it and returning it to where it rightfully belongs
by Graysnail on Jul 31, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the biggest musconception on the planet
is that just because a guy played baseball, hes an expert on it
not neccessarily the case
by martins on Jul 31, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and again..
a walk to Dunn there sets up the bases loaded and one out. If Dunn walks, he puts the team in a better situation to score runs… why is this a bad thing?
by martins on Jul 31, 2009 2:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you are way off
With two strikes, hitters at all levels are taught not to take anything close. This isn’t the pitcher, where you would prefer to strikeout as opposed to grounding into a double play. This is your cleanup hitter. I happened to be listening to the brewers telecast at the time(had just turned on the game and didn’t have time to switch to MASN) and they were saying the EXACT same thing. WAY too close to take. Two inches is not that far, not with two strikes. Especially when you are as big as Adam Dunn, the zone is going to be bigger when you are relying on the human eye to judge a baseball.
Don’t blame Dibble, he is just making a (valid) point. Don’t get paid 8 figures to rely on an umpire. With two strikes, you protect the plate until you get something you can hit. And with a ball that far up, you aren’t going to hit a grounder so the worse that can happen is you make one out, which is what did happen. Dunn didn’t give himself a chance even if the ball was two inches out of the zone.
by VA SLIM on Jul 31, 2009 4:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've got to say
I was with VA Slim here… Im not saying you should be swinging at clear cut balls…but anything close and you want to back your clean up man. He’s paid to drive in runs.
"On this team, the difference between Clippard and Julian Tavarez is like the difference between a 6-2 loss and a 9-2 loss." -- Chico Harlan
by Mezza on Jul 31, 2009 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the pitch in question
can be seen at 0:36.. If this pitch is close, than when is a pitch not close? Does it have to be 5 inches off the plate before we don’t swing with 2 strikes?
by martins on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hesn not relying on the umpire
the pitch was outside, way outside… that’s the bottom line…
Again, why is it a bad thing to have the bases loaded with one out?
no one has explained this sufficently yet
by martins on Jul 31, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the point is... he cant do anything with that pitch
BEST case scenario: foul ball
worst case scenario: roll over, double play
how is that a defenition of something you should do?
by martins on Jul 31, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
you would rather make an out in that spot than walk? I think that’s concentrated insanity
by martins on Jul 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting a foul ball when you want to is real easy
very little chance of a double play. Better chance of a pop out foul ball, but still not a huge chance. I say you can’t give the Ump the chance to blow the call in that case (as he did).
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
by PhDBrian on Aug 1, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
full disclosure
I am a HUGE Rob Dibble fan
best man for the job
you can go back and listen to the milwaukee telecast on mlb.tv if you have it and they are just as hard on Adam Dunn on that play
by VA SLIM on Jul 31, 2009 4:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was stuck on the Brewers feed today
Though I was catching up on DVR the whole time since I had to work during the game anyway, so I didn’t hear Dibble’s rant. Makes me think of Hrabosky here in St. Louis, though. Favorite instance of the year was when Colby Rasmus hit the ball in the gap, to the wall, and ended up standing on second. Hrabosky criticized Rasmus for not stopping at first base because now the opposition (which they did, and probably would have [unintentionally] anyway) would then just walk Albert Pujols. Totally asinine comment by Hrabosky.
I do remember seeing the pitch that you referred to, though (in fact, it was either MLB Network or ESPN that showed it in their highlight package tonight… don’t remember which), and it wasn’t even close. I’d have Dibble’s back if he was saying that Dunn had to protect on anything close, but that call was just awful.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 31, 2009 5:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just from his twitters, I get the feeling Dibs is one and done in DC. He’s getting drawn into fights with a-hole fans. Just not something I’d expect from a broadcaster.
So, let’s brainstorm about a replacement. I pick a three man booth that is simulcast on the radio…Bob, Charlie and Dave. I know…it truly is impossible, but it would be kinda cool.
If you can’t convince them, confuse them. - President Harry S Truman
by ROSCOEtheNATSfan on Jul 31, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only if Bob isn't allowed to say anything...
…sad to say, the radio broadcasting style really doesn’t cross over too well to TV (and vice versa). The TV guys can shut up and let you watch the game from time to time, refer to a graphic, highlight a replay… The radio guys are providing the games with their voices for your eyes—much more description (of both games and what they ate at IHOP for lunch). Charlie is particularly good at this, describing everything from the team uniforms, to how the pitcher toes the rubber, to the batter’s stance and disposition of the fielders. Part of the beauty of baseball is how well-suited it is to radio: the structure of the game means that once you’ve seen a few, it’s easy to picture with a good description. Of course, I’d still rather see it. If Charlie and/or Dave became the TV guy(s), I’d get cable.
"It's not a secret, you don't need to be an expert on math to know that walks plus errors equals runs...." --Mannyger Acta
by Doghouse on Jul 31, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of feel like they think they have to have an ex-player as the analyst.
I guess Vin Scully is the exception as he needs no analyst.
Also, I think it’s pretty sad that a “major league” team has such a weak radio signal. As I was driving home from work yesterday, I had a bad signal and lots of static on 1500am. All the other a.m. stations were fine. Not the flagship station. Really sad. At least the FM station came in slightly better, but that train has sailed.
If you can’t convince them, confuse them. - President Harry S Truman
by ROSCOEtheNATSfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Tucker
or how bout this one… Jim Bowden! or Omar Minaya, if Steve Phillips is allowed to be a broadcaster then why not?
by pas493 on Jul 31, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If A, then B doesn't hold up when discussing jobs.
Just because Steve Philips is a walking joke doesn’t mean Dibble, or Bodes, or Minaya isn’t one.
Eric Berry for sending the guy who wins the Heisman spinning 720 degrees in the air at the podium - or for intercepting it and returning it to where it rightfully belongs
by Graysnail on Jul 31, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now, they're not a-hole fans.
At least some of them aren’t. (Yes, I know at least 2-3 of the guys he’s gotten in fights with. My personal favorite was when he deleted a bunch of tweets blasting two of the guys the morning after he blasted them … you stay classy, Dibble.)
Eric Berry for sending the guy who wins the Heisman spinning 720 degrees in the air at the podium - or for intercepting it and returning it to where it rightfully belongs
by Graysnail on Jul 31, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey martins, I'm not going to get into it with you this time!
Dibble has his moments, but they’re getting even further apart. It’s like he decided “semi-informed rant” was his preferred method of communicating salient points, and that works if you removed the “semi” from it – as it is, he’s frequently playing the part of the blind squirrel. Putting it forth as gospel only promotes ignorance.
The only reason Dunn should’ve swung at that particular pitch is because Joe West called a similarly off-the-plate – but lower – ball a strike earlier in the AB. It was a good 2-3 inches outside.
(I am so not going to be able to follow him on Twitter after this.)
Eric Berry for sending the guy who wins the Heisman spinning 720 degrees in the air at the podium - or for intercepting it and returning it to where it rightfully belongs
by Graysnail on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Join the club...
DWDT: 36.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn
does not get paid to drive in runs… Adam Dunn gets paid to help his team WIN. Sometimes that includes driving in runs, sometimes it includes taking a bad pitch to set up bases laoded with 1 out
by martins on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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