Adam Dunn Snubbed?
Here's my gripe:
Manager’s selections
1B Prince Fielder(notes) L Brewers
1B Ryan Howard(notes) L Phillies
2B Freddy Sanchez(notes) R Pirates
Why does the manager of the NL Team feel the to have two sluggish 1B on the roster, when he could have a sluggish LF, that has more long balls? Dunn's a hammer at the plate, and I think its unfair he was left off for Howard, the fan favourite.
Freddy Sanchez has to get in, as the Pirates lone representative, and he's got pretty good numbers (.316, 42, 9, 33). I don't think anyone was more deserving in Pittsburgh, and this decision makes sense.
Prince Fielder is the friendly long ball smasher, and is having a much better season than Howard. Fielder is hitting .310 with 21 HR and 75 (!) RBI. Howard is hitting a pedestrian .259, with 20 HR (yawn) and 60 RBI (zzzzz). He's not a very good fielder, and he's basically going to get one AB in the game, potentially setting up an extra inning dilemna.
Dunn, a liability in the field, can play OF and 1B (very mediocrely... is that a word?). He has a monsterous 22 (way more than Howard), and just 1 RBI shy of Howard (59). He's also hitting way better than Howard, by SEVEN FREAKIN' points at .265. Dunn's OBP also dwarfs Howard's (.404 to .328).
At the end of the day, Dunn should've been the power hitting meathead on the bench, not Howard.
(Clearly I jest)
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I think Beltran is still injured. Maybe Dunn can take his spot.
by ROSCOEtheNATSfan on Jul 6, 2009 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dunn is not going there are too many players that deserve to go more than him. I would like to see him in the Derby though
by pas493 on Jul 6, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dunn
yeah, I’d like to see him slug it out in the derby too.
As for him actually being on the roster, I’m not too concerned about it. I do find it funny that the manager’s choice included two first basemen and another infielder. I mean, that seriously runs the risk of an extra inning debacle.
Many guys should’ve made it over Howard. Maybe not Dunn, but there are plenty better candidates I think.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 6, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I would take Zake Duke and Freddy Sanchez from the Pirates
As for Dunn, his defense is so bad he does not deserve to go, but neither does Ryan Howard. I would take Pablo Sandoval instead. He deserves to go.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
by PhDBrian on Jul 7, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Home Run derby
If it is possible to be in the home run derby without being an allstar then both Howard and Dunn should be there.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
by PhDBrian on Jul 7, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give Bud Selig ideas.......
Although, it is a good one……. invite the home run hitters you want to see…..
Dunn's bat, Nyjer Morgan's speed, skills, Dukes' arm, bat, that's an OF...(sorry, Hammer!) - EC
by cat daddy3000 on Jul 7, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is possible
In 2007, Ryan Howard defended his 2006 Home Run Derby championship … but wasn’t on the All Star Team.
He was given the chance to defend his title … and failed miserably.
by Eamus J Catuli on Jul 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pablo sandoval dosent deserve to go over either of those guys
dunn deserves to be there….
for all the gripes about his fielding… here’s something to put it in perspective
according to the runs saved metric, Dunn was the worst outfielder in baseball last year, the absolute worst
he cost his team(s) 8 runs…
Now, how many does he account by himself over the course of a season?
A hell of a lot more than 8.
bottom line is if u want to win a ball game ull deal with dunn’s defense for the numbers he puts up.
Can you name me any other player with as many AB’s with a 950 0ps who isnt going to the game? neither can I.
dont get me wrong, all star game selections are a joke anyway, but I grow tired of all the critiscism dunn gets when he can very easily considered one of the top 20 hitters in the game
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I can name one PABLO SANDOVAL
and I can also tell you Adam Dunn’s OPS is not over .950
by pas493 on Jul 7, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea you're right
948 isnt 950…. i guess
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as for guys who deserve to go over him that didnt make it
name me some, we’ll look at em stat for stat, I promise you they won’t come close
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's moot, as Dunn said he wouldn't go, even as a replacement. He has a bad right wrist and wants to rest it.
Dunn's bat, Nyjer Morgan's speed, skills, Dukes' arm, bat, that's an OF...(sorry, Hammer!) - EC
by cat daddy3000 on Jul 7, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn: .266/.402/.546/.948 22 HR 90 SO, Fielding: Errors 6, .950 Field Percentage
Sandoval: .332/.386/.572/.958 13 HR 44 SO, Fielding: Errors 3, .979 FLD% (AT THIRD BASE!!!!)
- Sandoval is almost better in every category!
Reynolds: .269/.354/.564/.918 24 HR 111 SO, Fielding: Errors 8, .950 FLD%
Guzman: .314/.329/.423/.752 Fielding: 11 Errors, .962 FLD%
Kemp: .305/.369/.474/.843 10 HR Field: 2 Errors, .991 FLD %
by pas493 on Jul 7, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
as i said its not a big deal if he goes or not… just felt like flipping the coin is all
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 2:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok
dunn’’s obp is better than sandovals… sandoval has a better slugging pct which gives them a pretty comprabable ops.. (sandoval leading by 10 points) dunn has more home runs and has driven in more runs…
almost better in every category… no… also, are you really using who struck out less to try and convince me sandoval is having a better season? thats just silly.
sandoval wouldnt be a bad choice ,no, but to say he is a clear favorite over Dunn is just caraziness
p.s. dunn is destroying both guzman and kemp in terms of who is having a better season, why even bring them up?
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
b/c some how mlb could could put them in the final vote and not put dunn
you don’t just get to the all-star game by belting home runs and having an average batting average, while being a total liability in the field
i love adam dunn but he is not an all-star, he can’t do everything and pablo sandoval deserves to go more than he does, i mean his batting average is almost 70 points better. if dunn was such a cut and dry all-start then why wasn’t he included in the final vote???
by pas493 on Jul 7, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if ur gonna go by the final vote
then you would say guzman is a better candidate then dunn, which is clearly not the case.
Why do people deride hitting homeruns like they are a bad thing.
home runs are instant offense, not only that, but the produce the best possible offensive result at the time…. someone please explain to me how that’s a bad thing…
you get to go because you get on base, batting average should have nothing to do with it(tho thats a different argument entirely) Thionk about it, sandoval is hitting 330 and is getting on base less than adam dunn.. now i ask you, who is more valuable to your team a guy who gets on base 40 pct of the time, driving in 60 runs(to this point) hitting 22 hrs or a guy getting on base 38 pct of the time with considerably less homers and rbis?
The fact that a guy hitting 330 is only getting on base 38 percent of the time tells me he has very little plate discipline, and its a safe bet that his average will drop like a rock once pitchers realize they dont have to throw him strikes to get him out… thats what makes obp so important… its not just that dunn walks a lot.. that is incidental. He makes pitchers throw him strikes. Theres a reason the greatest hitters all have an obp 90-100 points better than theyre BA… they dont make themselves easy outs… therefore they see better pitches therefore they hit better.
again, its not just walks, there is a direct corelation between having a high on base percentage and being a good hitter.
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the real question is
who creates more runs?… the clear answer is Dunn, for the reasons I mentioned
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You still haven’t addressed DEFENSE, he is a complete liability in the field and Sandoval can play 1B, 3B, and Catcher all with a higher fielding percentage. Why would a manager in contention pick Dunn to play in his outfield in the late innings of a game that could decide that managers home field in the playoffs?
by pas493 on Jul 7, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes i did adress defense
in an earlier post before you got here, here’s what I said:
for all the gripes about his fielding… here’s something to put it in perspective
according to the runs saved metric, Dunn was the worst outfielder in baseball last year, the absolute worst
he cost his team(s) 8 runs…
Now, how many does he account by himself over the course of a season?
A hell of a lot more than 8.
bottom line is if u want to win a ball game ull deal with dunn’s defense for the numbers he puts up.
any manager would would take sandavol over dunn for defensive purposes is insane in the membrane…
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you want me to pick an inferior offensive player because dunn might make an error, maybe?
cmon friend, really now
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw it before, so how why should the WORST fielding outfielder in baseball make the AS team? THE WORST!
I think there is not a GM or manager in baseball that wouldn’t rather have Pablo Sandoval on their roster right now over Adam Dunn
by pas493 on Jul 7, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I think there is not a GM or manager in baseball that wouldn’t rather have Pablo Sandoval on their roster right now over Adam Dunn”
then they need their collective heads examined…
and it seems as though you missed the point of that post.
my point was to say if the worst guy(left/right fielder, not outfielder in general, that was delwyn young, i think) only costs his team 8 runs
if dunn hits 40 hrs than the absolute minimum amount of runs he adds to the team (by himself) is 32… and of course its higher than that.
the greater point being… a great hitter is more valuable than a great fielder, always
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just to put it in perspective...
…. the best oufielder from a defensive standpoint last season was franklin gutierez.. he saved his team 22 runs last year… impressive, no doubt… but… he was also 248/307/383 in 400 abs last year with 8 homers… see what im gettin at?
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently you are missing my point, i’m saying a great hitter who is also a great fielder deserves to be on the AS team. Not a power hitter who is the worst defensive player at his position, which is viewed as one of the easiest positions in the game. Its the All-Star Game there should not be the worst of anything at this game. If you can’t catch a fly ball or hit a relay man routinely then you do not deserve to go. Maybe if it was in a AL park Dunn would make sense if he was on a AL squad where he should be.
by pas493 on Jul 7, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
calling sandoval a great fielder is
a bit lofty isnt it? the guy hasnt even played a full season yet…. i dont even have runs saved numbers from him because they probably dont exist yet… hes a decent fielder at this point… And of course dunn catches fly balls routinely, if he didnt he couldnt be a starting outfielder.
worst is a relative term, all it means is he was worse than others who play the position with him, dosent mean he cant make routine plays… dont get that twisted…
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and i didnt mean to compare gueteriez wsith sandoval
obviously sandoval is miles ahead of him, i was just trying to point out that an great offensive player is more important in general…
by martins on Jul 7, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying a .979 FLD% is pretty damn good for more or less a rookie when the best career fielding percentage of all time is .976 by Mike Lowell
by pas493 on Jul 7, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We all know who is going to the ASG after watching this
by pas493 on Jul 8, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm voting for Sandoval.
by ROSCOEtheNATSfan on Jul 8, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your wrong about Dunns defense costing his team 8 runs and your wrong about his offense adding far more
period.
so far this season dunn is -23 runs glovewise. He has a WAR of .8. that means he has not added a win to this team yet this year over a typical minor leaguers performance.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
by PhDBrian on Jul 12, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
which shows me
that you should throw that metric in the trash can if it thats what it tells you?
you realize how rediculous that sounds right? There’s a reason for that.
If there’s a metric out there that tells me Dunn has not been more valuable to a team then a minor leaguer then that stat is trash… it just is. It logically makes no sense.
there is a very scientific formula that goes into the runs saved metric.
it starts by looking at the 24 possible outcomes that can occur over the course of an inning.
I reccomend picking up “the fielders bible” and stop fooling around with amateur internet nonsense.
by martins on Jul 26, 2009 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I am not
in 2008, Adam Dunn Cost his teams 8 runs on defense. That is not my number, it comes from baseball prospectus… I can photocopy the page from the book if you need further proof
by martins on Jul 26, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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