Always Trade To Get The Lowest Team Salary
Been away all week. Far, far away from the disaster known as the Washington Nationals. I come back and another well known player is traded away for nothing. This continues to support my theory that the Lerner's are following the Bob Short scenario, and that is, if you trade, only trade away high salaries to get players with low salaries to lower your team's overall salary total. This team owner is a joke and a penny pincher, whose aim is the bottom line. He spends nothing to improve this team and remains deathly silent. He is a sham and an affront to the faithful fans of the Nats who must endure day after day this boring AAA team. When the fans stop coming, then what? My guess you'll start hearing about the lack of support and the possibility of moving this team to Charlotte, or Las Vegas, and make a tidy little profit in selling.
Do you really think they will sign Strasburg? Do you really think, he'll want to play here with this disaster?
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Hard to disagree, considering the feeble actions and lame, hollow words of Mark Lerner, Kasten and Rizzo.
I’m sure it’s all going according to Selig’s plan and at least some truth will come out in about 15 days and counting…
We couldn't buy a AA pitcher for $2 million? Really?
by vanatsfan on Jul 31, 2009
by cat daddy3000 on Aug 2, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re-posting so it's not lost in the game thread.....
http://masnsports.com/2009/08/when-pieces-are-missing.html
“There’s still a school of thought that the ballcub could be spending more on free agents.”
“They had the highest bid for Teixiera. but he had his heart set on New York to start with. Orlando Hudson made it clear he was only interested in signing with a contender. So don’t claim they’re not spending enough on free agents…”
(uh Phil, they didn’t “spend” that high bid, buddy,……) Then there’s that losing stigma to overcome with others, like Hudson… Picking up dregs often doesn’t count on the positive side, either, no matter what you spend.
We couldn't buy a AA pitcher for $2 million? Really?
by vanatsfan on Jul 31, 2009
by cat daddy3000 on Aug 2, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to tell
Dont know if its just a payroll thing – although I would have thought that a supermarket company would be feeling the GFC about now.
This seems to be the official rationale for Johnson trade from Ladson/Rizzo (hard to tell the 2 apart – read the comments for a chuckle).
http://therocket.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/08/nationals_had_to_trade_nick_jo.html
I dont agree with them being penny pinchers… I mean… they gave Kearns $8m/year….
"On this team, the difference between Clippard and Julian Tavarez is like the difference between a 6-2 loss and a 9-2 loss." -- Chico Harlan
by Mezza on Aug 2, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
$8mil for damaged goods?......a gamer....... plays through pain....Mendoza bat because of the thumb?
http://therocket.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/08/more_on_austin_kearns.html
Nationals interim manager Jim Riggleman doesn’t know how serious Austin Kearns’ right thumb injury is. Kearns will get the thumb checked out when the team returns to Washington.
Kearns has had thumb problems dating back to his Minor League days with the Reds. In 2001, Kearns suffered a torn ulnar collateral ligament in the thumb and missed most of the season.
Three years later, scar tissue, a lesion and bone spur had to be removed.
We couldn't buy a AA pitcher for $2 million? Really?
by vanatsfan on Jul 31, 2009
by cat daddy3000 on Aug 2, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes well, it was a bit tongue in cheek
I dont think the Lerners are cheap though and I realise im in the minority opinion bracket.
"On this team, the difference between Clippard and Julian Tavarez is like the difference between a 6-2 loss and a 9-2 loss." -- Chico Harlan
by Mezza on Aug 2, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't really commenting on your post, just the other Ladson entry with new info to me about the Kearns' S. Factor...
I thought maybe he was hit in batting practice, but it’s chronic and may explain why he never produced here.
We couldn't buy a AA pitcher for $2 million? Really?
by vanatsfan on Jul 31, 2009
by cat daddy3000 on Aug 2, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
I didnt really read it but now u mention it… you could be on to something. But it couldnt be that simple could it? Be just our luck that we would fix his thumb…then he joins another team for a song and belts 40 homers.
"On this team, the difference between Clippard and Julian Tavarez is like the difference between a 6-2 loss and a 9-2 loss." -- Chico Harlan
by Mezza on Aug 2, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey... I'd like to see them spend more money as much as the next guy
But it seems difficult to say that this move was about money to me.
- The Nats are paying the remaining $1.5 million on Nick Johnson’s salary
- Nick wasn’t likely to re-sign with the club during the offseason, and (in my eyes) reports are that he’s asking for more money than he’s worth
- There’s no guarantee that Johnson earns Type B (the kind that would get any compensation at all if they’d lost him to free agency) free agent status. In fact, the latest reports still don’t have him quite there, though he is rising:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18014543/Rankings-080109
We’d all like to see the team spend a little more money. For some of us, it’s a question of where we’d like to see that money allocated, though. It’s my belief that if you have a team that lost 102 games last season and seems well on their way to 100+ losses this season, that money should probably be spent more heavily on drafting & development than at the major league level…. particularly considering that the majority of the offensive core is 29 or older.
If the Nats were really trying to shed payroll as heavily as some of you are saying, we probably wouldn’t be seeing Dunn ($12 million next season) and Willingham (just under $3 million this season, but due for a hefty raise through arbitration) the rest of the way. In my eyes, moving at least one of them (who the Nats wouldn’t have had to foot the bill for and would have seen significantly better returns than Aaron Thompson for) would have made plenty of sense.
As for Thompson, it’s clear that Rizzo sees something there. All of the rumors are that he could have accepted a deal that involved Ryan Tucker (a higher ranked prospect in the Florida system heading into the year) as well as a second (most likely just filler) player without paying the cash for Johnson, but he wanted Thompson enough so that he threw in the cash and took Thompson alone. We’ll have to see if he’s right, though I imagine we won’t see Thompson until the middle of 2010 at the earliest.
Lock up the draft picks (particularly He Who Must Not Be Named [until he’s signed]), find out the rest of the way whether Dunn or Hammer can stick at first defensively, and start building for 2011. I’d hope that they show some improvement the rest of the way (and in 2010), but they’re clearly a half dozen players or so away from contending. There are two primary ways the front office can handle this:
- They could waste a bunch of money on 2 or 3 of those half dozen players they need to try and build a 75 win team next season. I’ve seen teams try this plenty of times, and the result is usually that they get into a cycle where they’re between 74 and 84 wins on a consistent basis for a decade.
OR
- They could try and find a few of those core players (Zimmerman, a healthy Flores next season, Morgan [?], Dunn [?], Willingham [?], Lannan, Zimmermann) to keep around on the big club while spending a lot more of the money on drafting & developing young talent that hopefully won’t just complement the core players, but possibly even surpass them.
The likelihood of having a magical (and perhaps somewhat fluky) season where everything goes right are better with Option A. The likelihood of developing a consistent winning team depends on how well you draft (and trade for) & develop players. If done right, the chances of the Nats ever developing a consistent winner should lie with Option B. Part of the problem is that…. well…. between the past two GMs the Nats have had (Minaya and Bowden), one of them made one of the most lopsided trades in the history of the game for a rental of Bartolo Colon & the other was obsessed with toolsy players who didn’t really show much development.
I’m still reserving judgment a bit until we find out how He Who Must Not Be Named turns out in two weeks, but I currently would be against the Nats retaining Rizzo… though my reasoning lies on the opposite side of the fence. There should have been more trades of high priced vets… and they should have been made earlier on, before there was a panicky feel to them (netting a lesser return).
by bluelineswinger on Aug 3, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the Nats have any homegrown middle infielders? Elvis and the General are from other systems. How far off is Espinosa? Anybody else?
Whatever happened to Luke Montz? He had some good buzz last year…and now isn’t he in Hagerstown?
If you can’t convince them, confuse them. - President Harry S Truman
by ROSCOEtheNATSfan on Aug 3, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been wondering what happened to Montz myself
What with Flores being done for the year, Bard obviously struggling with his groin injury, and Wil Nieves… well… just not really appearing to be good enough (offensively or defensively) to warrant being a big league backup. Unfortunately, after I see he was brought up, I checked out how he was doing.
AAA (12 games) .172/.314/.207
AA (69 games) .181/.275/.319
Not to say that hitting is the primary part of his job or anything, but that bat’s not playing as serviceable this season in either AA or AAA, so it’s hard to imagine that it would play any better in the majors. His season-long OPS between the two levels is .585, which is just plain atrocious. Montz is currently in Harrisburg.
Hagerstown is being held down by the top catching prospect in the system, and his bat is looking phenomenal. Unfortunately, Derek Norris still appears to be a few years away (just 20), but there’s something to be said for his .311/.415/.576 line with 23 dingers and 25 doubles as a 20-year-old in the Sally League.
I’d say Espinosa’s a few years off. At 22, he’s had a solid (if unspectacular) season in Potomac. The batting average is a little low (.249) and the strikeout totals are a lot higher (102 in 409 plate appearances) than I’d like to see. That said, he’s worked out to a solid enough .249/.362/.412 line with 24 doubles, 10 homers, and 20 steals. His plate discipline looks solid, with 55 walks in those 409 PA. He certainly hasn’t exploded enough to get a call to AA at any point this season, but looks on track to head to Harrisburg in 2010. He’ll need to work on his contact rate and bulk up a bit more, but I’d say there’s a shot we see him in 2011. Honestly, it’s his first full pro season (dominated SS ball last year after signing), so there’s not much to go on.
Ian Desmond’s homegrown, and things have really clicked for him this year. He’s hit .304/.385/.458 in 60 games between Harrisburg and Syracuse. Apart from that, I’d guess that the next real homegrown “prospect” we’re going to see of the current crop will hopefully be Jeff Kobernus. Of the two SS’s that were taken in the 2007 draft, one of them (Stephen Souza) has moved to 3b in Hagerstown. The other (Jake Smolinski) was shipped off to the Marlins as part of the Bonifacio for Hammer/Olsen deal. They drafted a handful of shortstops this year to go along with spending their second rounder on Kobernus (2b).
by bluelineswinger on Aug 3, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id like to see Desmond in Sep.
Time to give some of those guys a go.
"On this team, the difference between Clippard and Julian Tavarez is like the difference between a 6-2 loss and a 9-2 loss." -- Chico Harlan
by Mezza on Aug 3, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they aren't cheap in the least
nearly everyone who could be overpaid is….
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
by PhDBrian on Aug 3, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This continues to support my theory that the Lerner’s are following the Bob Short scenario, and that is, if you trade, only trade away high salaries to get players with low salaries to lower your team’s overall salary total.
I find this assumption awfully hard to swallow given that:
(1) There were baseball/personnel specific reasons for trading Johnson: his expiring contract, the desire to get Dunn to first base
(2) The Nationals aren’t getting any salary relief from the trade – they’re paying his salary for the rest of the season.
by David M. Getz on Aug 7, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Lesson in Chemistry
So, here we are amidst a 6-game Nats winning streak. Can it be possible that the chemistry of this team is forming under the LEADERSHIP of veteran manager Riggleman? Perhaps . . .
Aside from the DREADFULL starting rotation (sans Lannan) and closer who can not throw srikes, the Nats are forming as a team and picking each other up. With Stan Kasten really watching over the opeerations, and Mike Rizzo bringing in good YOUNG talent, we have the nucleus of a winning baseball team here. Yes, we need pitching, but who doesn’t.
Let’s rally around these guys, Mr. Lerner, Mr. Kasten, Mr. Rizzo and Manager Riggleman and see how the rest of this season plays out . . . no pun intended.
by The Shilverback on Aug 8, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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