Game 129: Pujols + Hanging Slider = Ballgame.
• Jason Bergmann's (- 0.357) hanging slider is the G0At, Albert Pujols (+ 0.247) is the Her0 again. DC lefty John "Cool Hand" Lannan (+ 0.177) allows just 2 ER over 8.0 IP. Elijah Dukes (+ .0198) could've been teh Her0 if it hadn't been for Pujols. John Smoltz (+ 0.253) doesn't get the win, but impresses anyone, giving up just 4 H and 1 ER while striking out 6. Dunn (- 0.120), 0 for 4, 2 K's, Runner-Up G0At to Bergmann's hanger, er, um slider...
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Angels got Scott Kazmir from the Rays...
That rumor wa going all day long…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Aug 28, 2009 11:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
A Cardinal fan dropping in..
to say good game. Living in Arkansas, I don’t really get to see the Nationals unless they’re playing a nationally broadcast game, so please be polite with my inexperience.
-I don’t know what the heck kind of black magic John Lannan’s using to pitch like that with such a horrific K rate, but if it’s permanent, he’s gonna be a fine #2 or #3.
-That rotation looks sick right now; what’s the ‘12 or ’13 staff look like right now, Strasburg, Lannan, Zimmerman, Stammen/Martis, Detwiler/Ballester/Mock? Ummm….that’s a good rotation. If the Nationals can pick up some good young hitting in the draft next year to complement Zimmerman, this team will be monstrous in a couple of years.
-Is Elijah Dukes really that good at chasing down everything hit to him? That one he caught off Pujols at the line surprised me at how far he went.
Just a couple of comments, and good luck in the next few years. I really like the plan of having a glut of pitching; reminds me a little of the ’03-04 D-Rays in that regard.
by Craig341 on Aug 29, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for stopping in Craig...
- Lannan is a ground ball machine, 17 tonight, but after the way he had Pujols off-balance all night, those of us watching here were expecting the walk-off. I agree with your putting him 2nd or 3rd behind Strasburg and Zimmermann (hopefully) in 2011. The rotation you list is pretty much what’s expected, especially with the five pitchers fighting it out for the 4-5 spots, and there are more than a few pitching prospects in the minors who could push a few of these pitchers into relief roles…
- That was Dukes at his best, how I hope he’ll play every night. Everyone once in a while he shows that to keep us all believing, if he ever does it consistently, the Nationals will have a legit RF’er. And he didn’t even get to show off his arm tonight…
Good luck, the rest of the way, (after this weekend)…can’t wait to watch Pujols/Holliday the rest of the way…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Aug 29, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the starting rotation thing
I’ve said all along to my STL friends that the Nats are going to be just fine in the bullpen – they’ve started stockpiling some solid starting pitchers from the draft and minors, and this was before Strasburg, who I have as much faith with as any 22 year old or whatever he is pitcher. This rotation has potential to build on some things, and so does the bullpen. Some talent in the field that is homegrown would be nice, with the right FA fill in could help, but its a process. Give it a few years. The Cards were terrible in the early 90’s. So were the Red Sox and the Yankees.
This knowledge is why I’m a general manager for a major league team.
by Expatcardfan on Aug 29, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts upon returning from the game
I’ll preface this by saying that I live in St. Louis. I’m a Nats fan 162 games a year. I pull for the Cardinals 155 games a year. I say this because… well…. I will get into one of the old unwritten rules.
Lannan pitched a hell of a game. In fact, I’d say he made just one mistake really. The mistake wasn’t the 3-1 pitch to Steve Spiccoli. It was the fact that he fell behind a .209 hitter 3-0. I’m sure he was tiring a bit, though he finished at just 91 pitches through 8. Still, the old adage that you turn a pretty poor punch-and-judy hitter into a monster at the plate when you fall behind like that often holds true. It did tonight, and Spiccoli made him pay. Still, terrific outing by Lannan. He deserved better.
Since he’s a guy who has warranted some discussion on this Nats support group about whether or not he is the long-term answer in RF, Elijah Dukes needs to play like he did tonight all the time. He was outstanding on both sides of the ball, going 3-for-4 with a pair of doubles and making a couple of outstanding catches in RF. He needs to bottle that, and from what he showed last year, he’s quite capable of doing so.
Zimm was Zimm for the most part. He had an error on a play where he seemed to lose concentration while fielding the ball a bit. He made up for it with a couple of great plays on the run, including a heads up 5-3 double play that would eventually get them out of the inning where he made the error. He chased a pretty bad pitch in the first with the runner on third and one out, but the Cardinals wisely said that they were going to make someone else beat them, walking him twice, including a four pitch walk in the eighth where nothing was really close to the zone.
Donkey – If they’re playing the psycho overshift and have their second baseman in shallow right field and he bobbles it, you need to beat it out.
Hammer looks like he’s in a bit of a funk. He was working well with the patience and discipline, but he missed badly on a pair of 3-1 fastballs. It’s either gotta be in the happy zone or you’ve gotta lay off it.
Riggles…. Let’s just say I think he’s had better games. Handful of mistakes, with the most obvious one being his decision to see what was in the fourth chamber while playing Russian Roulette. Plain and simple, I could look back and point to all three of the game threads when the Nats played the Cardinals in Washington and find about five times where I said “Don’t let Pujols beat you!” Amazingly (and I do watch a lot of Cardinals games, too), only one team has figured that out all year. That team cut into the Rockies lead in the wildcard race with a 2-0 home win over Colorado tonight. If you heard the one guy screaming “Walk him!” before Pujols’ at bat in the ninth, I think you can probably figure out who it was.
His other mistake (in my eyes) was much more subtle, and the way that Lannan pitched, you could question whether or not it was a mistake. Lannan was at 70 pitches through 6 innings when the Nats had given him a 2-1 lead. With one out and the Bard on second, Alberto Gonzalez grounded out to second. Guz was in the on deck circle, ready to bat for Lannan, but was called back. If Gonzalez drives Bard in there, I think it’s the right move to let Lannan hit for himself. With a runner on third, two out, and a 1-run lead in the seventh, I think you have to try and get that run in, even if it means the end of Lannan’s night. If memory serves, Lannan had just retired Pujols and Holliday to end the sixth. If you can’t trust your bullpen to get out the 5/6/7 guys (Ludwick, DeRosa, Yadi Molina), you shouldn’t have them on your roster. You have to try and get that run in.
The situational hitting did the Nats in a bit again. Zimm’s failure to make contact after Orr got to third on the throwing error by Molina was crucial. That said, LaRussa did exactly what Riggles should have done in the 9th (albeit, this would have been a leadoff walk), giving Zimm the “unintentional” intentional walk with Dennys Reyes on the hill in the eighth to get to Dunn. A) Reyes is a lefty specialist, so it made a bit of sense (though it does ignore the fact that Zimm has been exceptionally better against right-handers) to walk Zimm to get to the lefty on deck…. B) He walked the team’s best hitter on four pitches to avoid letting Zimm twist the dagger.
Beyond that, I want to get into that “unwritten rule.” Admittedly, Bergmann came up and in on Albert the pitch before the inevitable happened (again, Russian Roulette…. There are only six chambers and one bullet. Your best bet is to pass the gun!) with some high heat. Pujols, after hitting the home run (which was an absolute no-doubter…. Though I knew as soon as Gonzalez flew out that the mistake of letting Pujols beat them was going to be exactly how the game ended), stood and watched for a minute. He then threw the bat in disgust. For anyone to say that he wasn’t showing the Nats (specifically Bergmann) up, they would have to be blind. Does he get plunked tomorrow? And, more importantly, should he?
Best player in the game or not (again, I pull for the Cards 155 or 156 games a year), I’m a little disappointed that it’s Stammen pitching tomorrow and not Garrett Mock. Pujols needs a 90+ MPH fastball planted in his back. As a Nats fan living in St. Louis (watching via Extra Innings), the Extra Innings feed was blacked out when they played in St. Louis, meaning I had to listen to the generally pretty bad Dan McLaughlin and the absolutely awful Mad Hungarian, Al Hrabosky. All through the series in Washington, every time that Elijah Dukes came to the plate, Hrabosky went off on him for hitting the walkoff against the Cards last season and thumping his chest (well after he’d dropped the bat… after the ball had cleared the fence, and on his way to first base). The game is being replayed on Fox Midwest right now, and while I really don’t want to watch it, I’m interested to hear Hrabosky’s reaction (I’m sure there won’t be one) to Albert’s shenanigans.
It just seemed like a bit of classless showboating, and I hated to see it from a guy like Pujols. Ordinarily, he seems very respectful of the game and other players. Maybe I’m just nitpicking because he hit a walkoff against us, but it seemed a little over the top.
by bluelineswinger on Aug 29, 2009 1:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Should read the Extra Innings Feed was blacked out when they played in Washington
Re-watching made me remember that Motte came up and in with his own 98 MPH fastball on the Hammer in the top of the inning…..
Hrabosky’s reaction – For starters, he criticized Dukes a bit again for his antics after the walkoff homer last year. He concluded by saying that maybe Dukes should get made at the umpire more often, since he seems to do well when he does (?). Other than that, pretty typical. Not a word about Pujols standing in the box and his toss of the bat.
by bluelineswinger on Aug 29, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an STL fan in Nats town
1) I agree, I honestly think that Pujols does showboat a bit. This will get me a lot of flack from folks, and honestly, he is one of the good guys in the game – you and I both know that his family commitments and things he does for charity prove this. But yeah, I think he shows off a bit. Watch some early inning homers, also. He does the same thing.
2) Motte wasn’t brushing back the Hammer. Motte really can’t throw strikes consistently. We all know thats why he isn’t the closer. That, and the fact he doesn’t have a second pitch worth mentioning.
3) Lannan was coasting. Nothing wrong with keeping him in. What are you going to do, let the Nats bullpen hold on to things? Especially with 2 outs – a pinch hitter to hit a fly ball sac to get a run in is one thing, but a pitcher who is dealing at that point when you have a crappy bullpen and pulling him? Nothing wrong with that decision in my book. Just didn’t work, but Lannan had a helluva day. Wins just don’t always happen, but good pitching is something you hold on to. That was good pitching.
by Expatcardfan on Aug 29, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pujols was extremely frustrates by his plate performance last night and that was a sigh of relief disguised as a bat toss.
He gets a free pass from me. I saw his interview after the game and he seemed frustrated by his power hitting as of late.
by RoscoeNats on Aug 29, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
For me, when Lannan lost concentration against Greene in the 8th was when it went pear shaped. He fell behind 3-0; it just leads to trouble for John. When he pitches ahead in the count he is a machine…but I just knew it was bad when he fell behind and started rushing. Just asking for trouble – if he gets to the 9th – and either he or Macca are against Pujols…I think the Nats might shade it.
In any event, I stand by my comments… Pujols is the best batter ive ever seen. So much better than Bonds.
Padilla walked into the Nats' clubhouse for the first time and said, "My God. I'm in heaven."
by Mezza on Aug 29, 2009 3:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
any pitcher is better ahead in the count
I think it was a Smoltz quote from a long time back saying something to the effect that you just keep throwing your best stuff at a batter. If you don’t have stuff, then, well, I don’t know what you do.
Lannan is a good pitcher. He just needs to throw good pitches. He had a good K/9 ratio last year, seems to have lost that, but still has an ability to pound the bottom of the strike zone. Bad things happen. Nothing wrong with giving up 3 runs, especially when one is to APu that went 450 feet.
by Expatcardfan on Aug 29, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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