Bobby Valentine? For Real? Are The Washington Nationals Really Considering Making Valentine Manager?
Just about once a month now it's popping up in the news. Chibba Lotte Marines' Manager Bobby Valentine, (who has publicly stated that he will be leaving his position with the Japanese Pacific League team he's managed since 2004 when the '09 season ends there, as it does here, in October), continues to be linked to the Washington Nationals, who have made no secret about their plans to conduct an extensive search before deciding who will manage the nation's capital's favorite baseball team in 2010. The first mention was in a June 15, 2009 article by SI.com writer Jon Heyman entitled, "Nationals could replace Acta with Valentine; pitching market thinning", in which Mr. Heyman wrote that "National League sources" had identified Valentine as a potential replacement for Manny Acta, who was then weeks away from actually being "relieved of his duties".
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Washington Post writer Dave Sheinin discussed the possibility of Valentine taking over the Nationals' job in a 7/14/09 article entitled, "Acta and Nationals Will Likely Have Options Beyond This Year", where Mr. Sheinin noted that when it comes to the 2010-skipper-talk, "Speculation in Washington is likely to focus on Bobby Valentine," but, Mr. Sheinin wrote, "...it is unclear if the Nationals would be willing to pay Valentine what he is making in Japan (about $4 million)." Elsewhere in the article, Mr. Sheinin mentions, (just to throw some other names into the rumor mill), the relationship Nationals' team President Stan Kasten maintains with Ned Yost, (who worked in Atlanta with Kasten and most recently managed the Milwaukee Brewers until he was "relieved of his duties" last season), Jim Fregosi and Terry Pendleton, as well as Bob Melvin who has ties to DC GM Mike Rizzo from the time the two spent together out in Arizona.
In late August, the 26th of 2009 to be exact, it was Ft. Worth Star-Telegram writer Jim Reeves who again tied Valentine to DC in an article about the manager leaving Japan entitled, "After winning over Japan, Bobby Valentine wants new challenge", wherein Mr. Reeves wrote that, "The Washington Nationals are expected to touch base(with Valentine) soon, right after they interview another former Rangers manager, Buck Showalter." So add Showalter to the list...No actual sources are cited for this speculation of course, but it's followed this month by yet another article which links Valentine to Washington with ESPN.com's Peter Gammons writing in his latest 9/5/09 blog post entitled, "NL West is better than you think", that, "Washington ownership mentioned Bobby Valentine in every GM interview, so don't count Bobby V. out of that job."
What's that supposed to mean? It seems to imply that the Washington Nationals asked every one of the GM candidates they interviewed, before simply promoting Mike Rizzo to the full-time post, whether or not they could get along with Bobby Valentine? What other conclusion is there to draw from Mr. Gammons unattributed rumor? Is Bobby Valentine behind the rumors that surface once a month in anticipation of his reentering the MLB job market? Is Washington seriously considering bringing Valentine in as the Nationals' 4th Manager in 6 years in DC? Is there anyone else to add to the list?
So far it's:
- Bobby Valentine
- Ned Yost
- Bob Melvin
- Jim Fregosi
- Terry Pendleton
- Buck Showalter
- Jim Riggleman
- ????
Who's your choice? Who's going to be the first person to say Kirk Gibson in the comments?
SOURCES:
• Acta and Nationals Will Have Options at Season's End - washingtonpost.com - Dave Sheinin
"Speculation in Washington is certain to focus on Bobby Valentine, the former Texas Rangers and New York Mets manager now in the final year of his contract for Japan's Chiba Lotte Marines, who appear unlikely to bring him back. Valentine has publicly acknowledged a desire to return to the United States, although it is unclear if the Nationals would be willing to pay Valentine what he is making in Japan (about $4 million), or if not, whether he would agree to a steep pay cut."
• Nationals could replace Manny Acta with Bobby Valentine - Jon Heyman
"Manny Acta appears to be on his way out as Nationals manager, and while respected ex-big league manager Jim Riggleman reportedly will be installed as the interim manager, team higher-ups also have begun internal discussions about permanent candidates. One of those candidates to replace Acta, according to National League sources, is Bobby Valentine, who is currently in his seventh season as manager of the Chiba Lotte Mariners(sic) in Japan."
• Peter Gammons' Blog - ESPN - "NL West is better than you think."
"Washington ownership mentioned Bobby Valentine in every GM interview, so don't count Bobby V. out of that job."
"Meanwhile, there’s a sense that Valentine would simply like to keep doing what he’s doing with the Marines. But a scandal that affected team ownership brought new leadership for the baseball team, which is merely a small part of a $40 billion company. That new leadership wants to take the team back toward more traditional Japanese customs, rather than embrace the innovations and changes Valentine brought, even though the fans and players loved them."
• ボビー・バレンタイン監督の公式ブログ / Bobby Valentine’s Official Blog Site
"And most importantly, I came to feel that for me to leave the team at the end of the 2009 season is best for the Shigemitsu family and for the Chiba Lotte Marines, and so I wanted to make this announcement about the decision as soon as possible."
FURTHER READING:
• Washington Post - Nationals Journal - "Assorted Nats Notes" - Chico Harlan
"* Class AAA Syracuse manager Tim Foli will join the Washington coaching staff on Tuesday, after the minor league season ends. Foli will be an all-purpose instructor."
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I like Valentine even in his old movies
Riggleman has looked good thus far, but his track record is weak. Valentine has been around a real long time, and would therefore command respect. Perhaps he would teach the team a more Japanese style that makes defense a priority.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
by PhDBrian on Sep 7, 2009 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Though he didn't elaborate...
Jim Reeves in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram article says the new Chibba Lotte owners want to take a more traditional Japanese approach, as opposed to Valentine’s Western approach…Though I don’t really want Valentine it would be interesting to see what his experiences would bring to a team…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 2:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I am now more intrigued with Bobby V. with his Japanese experience and innovative personality.
The others make my eyes glaze over…….. so, Kirk Gibson would be an acceptable second choice…
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats on being the 1st to mention Gibson!!!
I remember Bobby V. mainly from his time with the Mets, so I must admit to not being a big fan…whether or not he’s an improvement over the Riggler…?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you mocking?
We’ve been talking about Gibson since the AS break…
"Horrible. Just Horrible." --ROSCOEtheNATSfan
by Doghouse on Sep 7, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look under the list of candidates above, and you'll see this below....
“Who’s your choice? Who’s going to be the first person to say Kirk Gibson in the comments?”
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, now I'm supposed to be able to READ?
This is completely unreasonable.
"Horrible. Just Horrible." --ROSCOEtheNATSfan
by Doghouse on Sep 7, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could transform this into the world's first picto-blog...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No mocking...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Logan Kensing returns.....some mocking allowed...
Ross Detwiler, Logan Kensing , Zack Segovia, Marco Estrada and shortstop Ian Desmond called up…..
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DESMOND!
Padilla walked into the Nats' clubhouse for the first time and said, "My God. I'm in heaven."
by Mezza on Sep 7, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't suck, Ian......
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zack Segovia, huh?
No Martis? I really hope Desmond get some time, I want to see what the kid can do…kids got Expos’ blood in him!!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ladson already laid out the Guz = 2B scenario....
Let Desmond play!!!……… I know nothing of Segovia. I assume he’s fodder. useful inventory…
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DESMOND!
The greatest thing since Padilla!
Padilla walked into the Nats' clubhouse for the first time and said, "My God. I'm in heaven."
by Mezza on Sep 7, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that puts things in perspective....
Please Desmond, save us….
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only mocking here should be when unqualified batters get
MOCK’D
"We're starting to get into Plush mode," Nyjer Morgan said
by ryzim22 on Sep 7, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring on Valentine!
Valentine has a track record of bringing young teams up from the depths. He can’t be a long-term solution, apparently, because he eventually get on everyone’s nerves, but we definitely need someone with some stature and talent for the job. Unless Davey Johnson wants to do it, (and do we really want old Cincinnati ties again?), bring Valentine in the day after the season ends.
+1/2St.
by Positively Half St. on Sep 7, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 for bringing in Valentine, sooner rather than later...
And I don’t want to see or hear Davey Johnson in a Nats uniform…
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll keep screaming Davey Johnson from the rooftops, but he says he won't manage again.
Interesting that Rizzo mentioned going out and finding a relative unknown…and even mentioned Wakamatsu, who replaced Riggleman in Seattle, by name.
Getting a competent GM was huge. The team will be built in the offseason and will at least have a chance to be decent. Rizzo so far seems to be good with the trades and trying to rebuild our pitching during the season. That’s not so easy.
From the 2009 opening day roster, we have remaining….
1 of 4 starting pitchers (Zimmn started late)
1 of 7 bullpen pitchers (Saool…and he took a long break in AAA)
by RoscoeNats on Sep 7, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Davey doesn't want to manage, cross him off the list....No time for someone who's not interested.
A relative unknown? Sure, as long as he’s a guaranteed success…
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(whispers) Willie Randolph? C'mon what about the "learning from your first job" theory...
Willie made his mistakes in NY, now he comes to DC and turns things around, while battling Manny Acta and the Mets….(shivers)…I don’t think I want either of those things to happen…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah......... but where's the next Felipe Alou???
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come on, Dave-ee!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He can’t be a long-term solution, apparently, because he eventually get on everyone’s nerves..."
That sentiment would explain the Nationals asking every GM candidate if they could work with them…if you believe Mr. Gammons’ report…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring in Valentine...
He is a high energy guy known for having success and turning around orginizations. I really hope they sont choose Buck Showalter. Anyway, nice 9th inning rally yesterday…. Go Nats!!!!!!
"We're starting to get into Plush mode," Nyjer Morgan said
by ryzim22 on Sep 7, 2009 7:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Valentine at $4M? I don't know...it would shift the industry standard of the overpaid players who won't listen to the underpaid manager...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting list...
I hope the Nationals don’t end up with Ned Yost, though. With the Cubs and Brewers in the same division, got to see how the Brewers declined during his time there.
I have heard talk that Tony La Russa may be looking for new team to manage next season. His contract is up and it’s unlikely his pitching coach is returning (since he’s busy burning his bridges in St. Louis), and the talk is he won’t manage without Dave Duncan.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
by brook on Sep 7, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't take anyone named Ned seriously, ........
I don’t know about La Russa….
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ned? Ned Ryerson?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Sep 7, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since Yost was fired from Milwaukee...
I guess the Brewers ultimately couldn’t take anyone named Ned seriously,either.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
by brook on Sep 7, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Selig stench on the Brewers leaves me underwhelmed at anything connected with them.
And my inner Cubs fan doesn’t really like anything Cardinals-related any better….
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs?!!! Nats?
Is there any team you like that could be catagorized as a ‘winner’?
Maybe you are the bad luck charm! Burn the WITCH!
Padilla walked into the Nats' clubhouse for the first time and said, "My God. I'm in heaven."
by Mezza on Sep 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burn the Witch!!!!......Yeah!!!!....... wait, no, not me.....
When WGN broadcast Harry Caray and the Cubs everyday, I took a liking to them…I guess I always do root for the underdog..
How about the local college football team? They may have just aced a national championship as their biggest rival’s Heisman quarterback separated his shoulder.
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me? Bad luck charm?
(Getting out the fire extinguisher) Please, the Cubs were doing badly for decades before I was even born.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
by brook on Sep 7, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand...
There are some Chicago sports media folks and some Cubs fans discussing the idea of LaRussa becoming manager if Lou decides to throw in the towel a year early (or the new owners throw it in for him). I’m not sure I like the idea of LaRussa as Cubs manager. And I don’t think I’d like to see him as the Nats manager either. Maybe he’ll retire if he doesn’t resign with the Cardinals?
As for Selig, he reminds me of a weasel.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
by brook on Sep 7, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just knowing the rivalry, it seems unnatural to get direct trades or hirings from one team to the other.
"I Never Want the First Pick Again."
by cat daddy3000 on Sep 7, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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