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Washington Nationals: Stephen Strasburg vs Aroldis Chapman...Did Strasburg Get Robbed?

Before the '09 Draft took place, Scott "Maximum" Boras was constantly comparing then-20-year-old SDSU starter Stephen Strasburg to international free agent pitchers like Japanese right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka or Havana, Cuba's own righty Jose Contreras for a reason, as the high profile agent negotiated through the press with the Washington Nationals, holders on the no.1 pick in the 2009 First-Year Player Draft. Boras' reasons became clear on Sunday when Cuban-born left-hander Aroldis Chapman, 22, signed for 5-years and $30 million dollars with the Cincinnati Reds, (according to most reports), doubling the record-setting contract the Washington Nationals gave to Strasburg, which was the largest contract ever given to a draft pick...

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Jose Conteras was a 31-year-old free agent who'd had a long career in Cuba before he signed for 4-years/$32 million with the New York Yankees in 2003. Daisuke Matsuzaka, after a relatively brief but distinguished career in Japan, signed with the Boston Red Sox for 6-years and $52 million dollars, with incentives that could have given the 26-year-old right-hander as much as $60 million dollars over the course of the deal. (And that's to say nothing of the $51M+ Boston paid Matsuzaka's Japanese team for exclusive negotiating rights.) 

The Nationals, however, argued that Strasburg could not be considered alongside Contreras and Matsuzaka. DC GM Mike Rizzo was quoted in an ESPN.com article by Tim Keown* arguing that Strasburg was, "...no different from anyone else who's been drafted No.1," and downplaying the idea of Strasburg receiving what was often referred to as a "Matsuzaka-like" deal, by arguing that, "Daisuke Matsuzaka was a nine-year professional when he came here." 

Nationals' team President Stan Kasten further explained the team's position in an article with Washington Post writer Dave Sheinin entitled, "Kasten on 'Silly' Strasburg Speculation":

"'A hundred years of baseball and four decades of collective bargaining have shown how you develop players and how they proceed through the system,' Kasten said. 'There's a time for drafting, a time for development, a time for arbitration and a time for free agency. No one situation can change the whole sport, even less so these days, with where the economy is now.

"'We're certainly eager and planning to take the best player that we can,' he said, 'and we know what number-one picks get, and we intend to sign our number-one pick.'"

The Nationals drafted and signed Strasburg who'd played 3 years in the NCAA's Mountain West Conference with the San Diego State University Aztecs, and pitched for the US Olympic team in the 2008 Olympics in China, to a 4-year/$15.1 million dollar deal. Six months later, Aroldis Chapman, whose resume includes play in Cuba and internationally with the Cuban National team, who is unbound by the precedents set by previous drafts which in part determined Strasburg's contract, (and again, Strasburg got a record-breaking deal), receives 5-years and $30 million dollars, the kind of deal Strasburg will only have available to him after he completes his first contract and goes through three years of arbitration, which could also be put off a year if Washington holds him out of the Majors until June 2010, delaying the start of his major league service.**

Was Scott Boras right? Did Stephen Strasburg deserve a bigger deal? Did the Nationals actually get Strasburg at a discount? Are US-born or draft-eligible players being unfairly punished, or if not punished, deprived, simply because they've been born in North America? I'm starting to think Mr. Boras had a point...Is there any reason Aroldis Chapman deserved to get nearly twice as much as Stephen Strasburg received?

(ed. note - " * = Quotes taken from previous Federal Baseball.com post, as ESPN.com's Tim Keown's article has disappeared from the internets...** = contract information from Nationals Farm Authority post entitled, 'Strasburg Contract Details'.")

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Ahh....

oh the funny little thing called the time value of money.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by Bsullivan on Jan 11, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

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The deal with left-hander Aroldis Chapman is for $25 million over five years with a player option for a sixth. His salary for 2010 will be in $1 million range.

It’s a major league deal and it’s spread out over 10 years. The first year it will be a major burden on the big league budget is 2014.

If true – Stras wins out big time…given that its a $1m in 2010 and then $24m spread over 10. Stras gets $15m up front (?) and then can go free agent in 4. While Chapman can go FA in 5 (and presumably would still get the $ from the Reds) – I would assume that its loaded at the back of the contract (hence, saving the reds into the future when $ is worth less).

Its a strange contract if that is the case…as I would have thought other teams like the Nats would have offered more of the standard contract over a shorter time period. But at this stage it seems like speculation on whether its better than Stras at this point.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

agh

forgot link
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/01/10/chapman-details/

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh, details of deal weren't out when I wrote this yesterday...

Why would anyone want to spend a decade in Ohio?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 11, 2010 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

YOU PEOPLE better get focused on Gnats Middle infield cluster****

wasting any more time on Chapman….after days and days of DESPERATION & DELUSION…..is pathetic…….

by The Mamba on Jan 11, 2010 12:39 AM EST reply actions  

So who's it going to be? How about some middle infield options? You can put the names in caps...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 11, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Id be happy with HUDSON, DESMON, and GUZMAN

With or without caps that would be fine for this season…although Rizzo should be looking for someone to hold us over till Espinosa cracks through next season.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Coot Veal available?

by PerryMason on Jan 11, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Pay attention, [jerk]

This post isn’t really about Aroldis Chapman, except to use his case as an example of a disparity in player acquisition. As fans, we occasionally ponder the structure of the game – what a concept! The team is already focused on the middle infield situation (see the Doug Davis quote elsewhere on the page) – maybe you can dial up Mike Rizzo and make some helpful suggestions there.

by d_c_guy on Jan 11, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Mamba, you so crazy....,

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 11, 2010 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ladson tweets that Doug Davis has an interest in the Nats (and vice versa?)

Good move from my point of view. A solid but not expensive starter to help us along.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

Bring in Doug Davis. Then that should about do it on the free agents.

by Expos4 on Jan 11, 2010 2:17 AM EST reply actions  

Why

To me the question is not “are player born in North America being unfairly punished”’ it’s why aren’t players not born in North America drafted (like in the NBA) and subjected to the same negotiation process as those who are?

Chapman had leverage and Strasburg didn’t.
It’s a big advantage for the big market teams… which make me scratch my head as to why he didn’t end up with one of those… (or if a small market team, why not one like Florida because of the Cuban community etc.)…

BTW – Bryce Harper has way more leverage than Strasburg… because at his age it’s no big deal to remain an amateur.
I think he will be tougher to sign than Stras and as we all know the Stras negotiation went down to the last minute or so.

by PerryMason on Jan 11, 2010 7:34 AM EST reply actions  

I believe the draft itself is what needs to change.

International players should be required to ‘declare’ for the MLB draft.

I don’t think North American players should get more, I think the international free agents should get less. This would almost certainly end this system of the crooked agents stealing money from the poor kids in the Dominican Republic or wherever. They’d just be regular players in the slotting system. You wouldn’t have idiots like Jim Bowden going down there and paying millions of dollars for a 24 year old imposter and thinking he was getting a deal.

As far as Strasburg goes, I don’t feel sorry for him at all. There’s no way in hell he’d trade $15 million extra dollars for NOT getting to grow up in the USA. Same guy born in other parts of the world could be sewing shoes or harvesting sugar cane. Maybe baseball. Yeah, I really don’t feel sorry for Strasburg at all.

by RoscoeNats on Jan 11, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I mentioned this in another SB board, but I believe that Scott Boras, the players union, and some of the “have” teams like New York & Boston would love to get rid of the draft completely. I believe that the draft should cover all players that want to enter MLB, and not just for US/Canadian players.

by killianskid34 on Jan 11, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

This

Bingo. On all counts.

by d_c_guy on Jan 11, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

What really matters is that WE have Strasburg.

Strasburg is better than Chapman and we would be the ones getting robbed if we had signed Chapman in free agency.

Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!

by Horcasitas4 on Jan 11, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

We've Got Strasburg! (clapclap clapclapclap)...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 11, 2010 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ed this is all supply and demand

Because Strassburg could only be drafted in the US he had only 30 people bidding for his services. Chapman had the entire world bidding on his services. Strassburg was not under paid.

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jan 11, 2010 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

No. Because Strasburg was subject to the draft he only had one MLB team bidding for his services, whereas Chapman, because he was not subject to the draft, had 30 teams who could make a bid .
BOTH Strasburg and Chapman could have offered the services they supplied anywhere else in the entire world, but of course there is no demand for 100 MPH fastballs in places like Tahiti .
I don’t know if Strasburg was underpaid or if Chapman was overpaid, but I do know that could live comfortably off the interest of either.

by PerryMason on Jan 11, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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