Washington Nationals Wanted Aroldis Chapman....
According to Washington Post writer Dave Sheinin's Nationals Journal post entitled, "Nats were 'in it to the end' with Chapman", the Washington Nationals offered Aroldis Chapman more than $20 million dollars because DC GM Mike Rizzo liked what he saw from the 22-year-old left-hander:
"'We had a private workout with him. [General manager] Mike [Rizzo] liked him as much as any young lefthander he's ever seen,' said Kasten."
If Rizzo liked Chapman that much should the Nationals have gone as high as $30M?
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Ed Chigliak
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if the Nats put a fair offer in and the Reds decided to trump everyone, so be it. i’ve never really been sold on this idea, contrary to the prevailing opinion here. i’m just really wary of turning over all-star money to a player that hasn’t competed at the highest level. and yes, i do consider the Big West higher competition than what Chapman has had to face thus far.
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by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 11, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Like they say in the Post article...
I was enamored with the idea of a 100 mph lefty and righty at the top of the Nats’ rotation…At least I got to see Strasburg and follow his stats before the draft…Chapmam was a complete mystery….Glad to see that Rizzo liked him as much as I imagined…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jan 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but a 100-mph throwing lefty
that has ZERO innings facing legitimate competition. he’s 22 (at least) and has been beating up on players his age and younger with very little quality control. i’m all for scouting and signing potential, but that’s all this is at this point. and the Reds are going to expect him to be in the rotation from just about day one with the money they laid out.
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by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 11, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely...though I've heard varying opinions on the quality of competition in Cuba...
Chapmam did about as well in the WBC as Strasburg did in the Olympics or College WS, but every scout in baseball saw Stras as opposed to Chapman who had the bullpen sessions and private workouts…can’t blame DC for not going to $30 for this much of a question mark…btw XM said he turns 22 in February…WTF?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jan 11, 2010 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
There is a bigger picture I see in this Chapman BS...
1) The Nats pursued him and brought money to the table…
2) The Nats had a private workout with him and no one know about it…
3) The Nats are being aggressive in the free agency market and they’re being smart about it….
Rizzo/Kasten and Co… are getting the job done but not tipping they’re hand like a certain side ways talking, segway riding ex-Gmer type person we all know. This is all good news to me. We don’t need to know how the process is being done. We just want to the process to work and we want to watchable team on the field at National Park, eh…. Long live Mike Rizzo…I believe !!!
by Berndaddy on Jan 11, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Rizzo We Trust.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jan 11, 2010 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
+ All your points though, Berndaddy...
I had no inside info that the Nats were really involved in the chase for Chapman, I just thought it was a good move for the team, and they were in fact in it…
As much as I like inside info, the fact the Nationals, for the most part slipped under the radar in this pursuit is a vast improvement over previous years…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jan 11, 2010 2:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It's refreshing isn't it?
That’s the way most business is done. IE: Teixera to the Yanks. Bamm!!! We got hit over the head when that knowledge dropped last year and didn’t see it coming…
You’re right though Ed, we’d all like to know what’s going down, but the absence of knowing isn’t that bad giving the fact that that makes the organization look like real business partners. I like, I like a lot !!!
by Berndaddy on Jan 11, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good on Rizzo for chasing - more props that he knew when to quit
Now go and sign Hudson and Doug Davis.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mamba will be happy to know I just wrapped up Federal Baseball's Chapman coverage...
I thought signing him was a good idea, so did Rizzo!!!
Now on to twenty-ten…Sign Orlando Cabrera!!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jan 11, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly: Mariners are the new Nats!
Mariners
Acquired/re-signed: Cliff Lee, Chone Figgins, Milton Bradley, Casey Kotchman, Ken Griffey Jr., Brandon League, Josh Bard, Chad Cordero, Johermyn Chavez, Yusmeiro Petit, Josh Wilson, Corey Patterson, Kanekoa Texeira, Pedro Okuda, Ryan Langerhans, Chris Woodward, Guillermo Quiroz, Rich Dorman, Steve Bray, Steven Shell, Jose Yepez, Levale Speigner, Chris Seddon, Travis Denker, Mike Koplove, David Pauley, Ralph Henriquez
Lost: Adrian Beltre, Brandon Morrow, Kenji Johjima, Justin Thomas, Bryan LaHair, Carlos Silva, Bill Hall, Chris Jakubauskas, Robert Manuel, J.C. Ramirez, Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies, Roy Corcoran
Its seriously scary!
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't really know if $30M over 5 years is all start money
i am guessing most all stars make more than $6M a year. $30M over 5 years is really stop gap money, and the Reds are taking a risk on huge potential upside.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 11, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To all DESPERATE & DELUDED DEADgnats FANS
Take your Meds…Move on….and GET A LIFE !!!!!!
This obsession with Chapman has gone wayyyyyyy past Boy crush…into stalking or even worse…. SCARY
GET OVER IT………the Cuban Phenom is gone !!!!
……Focus on LIVAN..the ONLY Cuban Pticher the reigning WORST team in baseball has a Ratzo Rizzo ratz-a** chance of signing…..
by The Mamba on Jan 11, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Livan's 50/50 coming back to DC acc to most reports...
Still waiting on those infield recommendations…???
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jan 11, 2010 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I knew Ratzo the singer. He sang for Switchblade the 80's rockabilly band here in DC..
He had a 6" to 7" pompadour hair cut. Very good band. Stuart the guitartist is one of my all time favs and Johnny Castle oozed cool from the bassman’s spot.
Note to Mamba: What’s up with all the Nats fan hating? Is you venom going to you brain? Most of us had no real interest in the Cuban. !Lo siento la Mamba! You words are just black on white, but you are funny.
by Berndaddy on Jan 11, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I choose not to get a life...
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1 no life...
And seriously Mr. Mamba why the LIVAN obsession? Get over him, he’s had his time in DC…LIVAN’s time is over…it’s time for the new wave of arms…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Ed Chigliak on Jan 11, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to know why the Mamba thinks this offsseason is a disaster...
And who we should have signed instead… I mean – who are the alternatives in the market? I think most NATS fans can appreciate that it will take a LONG time to UNDO the damage of BOWDEN.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BOWDEN!!!
Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com
by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 11, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...waves arms above head like signaling an airplane from deserted island...
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by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 11, 2010 6:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
meant this as a reply to Ed's "wave of arms" comment
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by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 11, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see you.
And am still waiting to hear from you on Mr McGwire young man.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
here you go
the link to my “other blog” :-)
http://natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2010/01/mark-mcgwire-and-culture-of-performance.html
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by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 11, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Noice
Althou I was a little sad when he said “I wish I never played during this era”… this will clearly haunt him for the rest of his life. Some will justly say ‘so it should’ but I think its a pretty good example for athletes not to take PEDs.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 11, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i suppose...
i could have waited until after seeinghim perform on TV tonight. i don’t think he did himself any favors. by saying that he took the steroids for the health benefit, but not acknowledging that those benefits enhanced his performance, undermines at least his intelligence, if not sincerity.
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by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 11, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I havent seen it but if he said that...its disappointing.
I thought your blog raised an interesting issue about whether the league (and the HOF) and supports can and will ignore an entire era of players for their deeds.
I think that its a difficult question that baseball has found itself in.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 12, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Close only counts with hand grenades and Horseshoes...
Close only counts with hand grenades and Horseshoes…
Seems to me, we heard this same sad sack story about Teixiera a year ago…….
And next up on the too Expensive for the Lerners “NO Pay to Play” list is the
O Dog…
by The Mamba on Jan 12, 2010 1:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What are u smoking?
Strasburg = highest ever deal to a draftee
Ryan Zimm = long term deal
Marquis = good deal (but not cheap)
Pudge, Dunn and others are a good supporting arguement that the Lerners have turned the corner (and arguably due to a new and competent GM). In Rizzo I trust.
Go whinge with the Mets fans. They seem to be upset these days that they havent signed another $200m in talent for their DL.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 12, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to know why the Mamba thinks this offs season is a disaster…
And who we should have signed instead… I mean – who are the alternatives in the market?
by Mezza
=====
Mamba wouldn’t say much of anything if:…………..
-the DEADgnats fans wouldn’t get drunk and deluded with koolade after every win….
- the DEADgnats fans wouldn’t throw out the .500 rants after every win…..
-the DEADgnats fans had been willing to accept the truth about an incompetent BUM like ACTA long before the season was DEAD from his putting the team into a coma.
- the DEADgnats fans wouldn’t go GA GA after every free agent signing of middle/bottom tier free agents that were not sought after by any of the big boy contenders…..or express the endless the delusion they have a chance to sign top tier free agents that the contenders are willing to pay for….
by The Mamba on Jan 12, 2010 1:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
well, I dont think many Nats fans are all that deluded. I think you would be hard pressed to find many who think this team will do better than 500. But given that is a genourous improvement on last season(s) performances, I few of us are seeing more signs to be optimistic. In relation to Acta, I along with many others felt that he was pretty bad from the beginning of 2009. In 2008, I felt he was delt more of a bad hand with injuries – but it was still a terrible performance. As for the free agents – most of the comments have been not deluded but optimistic (small, but important differences). Chapman was very much down to the wire and given most commentators consider that the Reds (a non-big boy team), overpaid – I think most fans are not disappointed they didnt get Chapman. Other than that…who are the top tier free agents we went for and missed? We got Marquis…who was the 2nd best pitcher on the market.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 12, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I must be smoking the cow pies you're slinging....
1. Strasburg was a Draftee…no outside competition to eliminate the Lerners with offers they would NEVER have matched… $15 mil over 4 is mlb chump change..
2. Zimmerman was an inside deal signed before the outside comp was allowed to compete for him…As the franchise poster boy -it would have gotten the stadium burned down if they had lost him over money.
3. Marquis has a “psycho” late season collapse rep that scared off most of the contenders…..Lucky Lerners got em cheap.
4. Ol’ Pudge was overpaid (but at a mlb chump change amount) …….as a middle tier FA over 2..
5. Dunn is an idiot ….possibly costing himself a long shot at the HOF by not being where he belongs in the AL as a top DH….. I gotta assume Bowden must have had photos to get him to sign to play in Gnatstown…
by The Mamba on Jan 12, 2010 1:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh contrare
1) If the Lerners were cheap… it still doesnt explain the record deal. They could have held out for slot and gone for another draft pick.
2) Still indicates that the Lerners are not cheap.
3) Marquis is still a decent pitcher and the Nats beat off quite a few others. He was the 2nd best established starter on the market behind Lackey.
4) A chump who is over paid does not equal cheap.
5) Dunn is a top tier player (batting wise at least) and a good deal.
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
by Mezza on Jan 12, 2010 6:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please, the guy is obviously trolling. Leave him be.
by superjuan on Jan 12, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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