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Would Josh Willingham Play In The Yankees' Lineup? An SB Nation Conversation.

I got an email from Brandon C. of the SB Nation's New York Yankees site Pinstripe Alley asking about the rumors surrounding Josh Wilingham's availability and answered a few questions on Yankee fans' minds for a post of his entitled, "Willingham in Pinstripes?" As I predicted, the idea that Washington would ask for a Phil Hughes-type player in return should the Nationals trade Willingham was a non-starter in the Pinestrip Alley writer's opinion, and he emailed afterwards asking if I (were I the Nats' GM) would consider a package including right-handed pitchers Ivan Nova and Sergio Mitre and infielder Reegie Corona in return for Willingham, and rather than offer my opinion alone, I figured I'd put it to the DC Faithful and see what you expect in return for Willingham should the Nationals decide to deal the player who's expected to be their Opening Day left fielder...

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To be clear, my response to the question of what it would take to convince the Nationals to part with the Hammer was as follows:

"I imagine everyone asks about Phil Hughes first. There's no way Willingham brings back Hughes in my mind. If NY hadn't traded Arodys Vizcaino and Mike Dunn to Atlanta, I'd bet (DC GM Mike) Rizzo would have taken either of them off the Yanks' hands...so it would basically look like Willingham and a Craig Stammen or a J.D. Martin for Hughes and/or the equivalent prospects for Vizcaino and Dunn. Sorry, you guys go through prospects too quick for me to keep up with the Yankees' system."

• My logic in asking for a Phil Hughes, or the equivalent of the two minor league pitchers included in the package New York sent to Atlanta to reacquire Javier Vazquez was based solely on Washington Post writer Thomas Boswell's assertion that the Nationals are looking for a Jordan Zimemmerman-esque prospect in return for Willingham and Arodyz Vizcaino was the highest rated pitching prospect in the Yankees' system entering the 2009 season. Michael Dunn was a combined (4-3) with a 3.31 ERA in 38 games in which he averaged 12.2 K/9 at two stops (AA and AAA) in the Yankees' system before he made his MLB debut in September '09. What would you expect in return for the Hammer? 

• Here are the three players Brandon C. from Pinstripe Alley suggested as a package:

Sergio Mitre - RHP - 29yo in Feb. 2010 - Career Stats - (13-26), 5.56 ERA, 1.56 WHIP, 90 G, 61 GS, 362.1 IP, 443 H, 224 ER, 121 BB (3.0 BB/9), 220 K's (5.5 K/9). 

Ivan Nova - RHP - 23 yo - '09 Stats - AA, AAA - (6-8), 3.68 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 24 GS, 139.1 IP, 137 H, 57 ER, 59 BB (3.8 BB/9), 90 K's, (5.8 K/9). (Note: Received Honorable Mention in Minor League Ball's John Sickels' Top 20 Prospects List for 2010.)

Reegie Corona - IF - 23 yo - '09 Stats - AA, AAA - .257 AVG, .347 OBP, .364 SLG, .711 OPS, 27 2B, 3 3B, 3 HR, 39 RBI's, 24 SB, 4 CS. (Note: Recognized by Baseball America's John Manuel as having the "Best Strikezone Discipline in the 12/16/09 Prospect rankings.)

• If you were Mike Rizzo would you accept the Pinstripe Alley writer's hypothetical offer? I know some object to hypothetical discussions, just thought it might be interesting to see what the DC Faithful want in return if Willingham is dealt...

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That was certainly my initial reaction...ha...

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by Patrick Reddington on Jan 24, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, you definately don't want Mitre...

he wasn’t that good with the Cubs and I believe he’s been with a team or two between his time with the Cubs and his current place on the Yankees. No one seems to want to keep him long-term it seems.

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by brook on Jan 24, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No chance!

Would any of them even get on the 40 man, let alone the 25? And do any of them project to?

In which case, why???

by Kirkie on Jan 24, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Nova and Corona

Are both major-league ready options that are on the Yankees 40 man roster

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"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Jan 24, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget Zach McAllister. I think and Ivan Nova are the Yankees who most closely resemble Jordan Zimmerman.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Jan 24, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

A catcher

Before people knee-jerk with Derek Norris bear in mind he may be Scott Hatteberg with more power. Whatever deal the Nats strike for prospects, it’s high time that we get some more depth behind the plate because it’s Norris and, um, well, maybe Nieto… and if the Yank-mes are desperate for a quick fix, Austin Romine could be plucked away.

by Wooden_U_Lykteneau on Jan 24, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Or get the future catcher in the draft? Bryce Harper?

…Though who knows when a teenage catcher would make it to the majors, or if he’d still be a catcher by the time he comes up…

I’d also throw Sean Rooney in the mix behind the plate, after all he was second in line when Norris got injured and missed the Arizona Fall League…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 24, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take nova and corona in a flash for hammer

I’d even throw in Martin. We need pitching and nova is a genuine prospect. As is corona. Hammer could be replaced by jmax, et al. And be an upgrade on defense. This one should be a no brainer – nats aren’t going to challenge this year, we should be looking to next year to challenge and these kind of deals work in our favour.

I thought hammer had a career year lays year and I’d be surprised if he backs it up. More prospects at IF wouldn’t hurt either.

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by Mezza on Jan 24, 2010 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

we do not need more pitching prospects

We just need a few more innings of experience for the arms we have.

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jan 25, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

teams ALWAYS need more pitching prospects

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by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 25, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont want to trade Hammer.

Call me crazy but I think the Nats can have a decent offense THIS year. Rizzo has made pretty good moves this offseason, and I dont want to trade Hammer just to trade Hammer unless we are really getting a good deal, which I dont think the above deal is a good one.

"We're starting to get into Plush mode," Nyjer Morgan said

by ryzim22 on Jan 24, 2010 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

Dont take this as confrontational...

but what would a good trade deal for Hammer look like? For my money while he is a decent hitter – he isn’t Pujols – and his defense is below avg. According to baseball reference – he is similar to Ryan Church (by age)…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willijo03.shtml

I agree completely that this is the first season in a long time that the Nats should have a decent offense. And losing Hammer will have an impact. But I dont think we’re going to get Strasburg-like prospects for a slightly above avg hitting LF who is 30 years of age.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Jan 24, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Silly to make a move just to make a move.

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by Whiter Mage on Jan 25, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hammer is good enough to play everyday for every team in baseball.

As a LF. He is no All star, but he is good enough to play everday for a world series contender. He is an above average LF being paid like an average LF or worse. Trading him would be stupid for less than a top prospect!!!!!!!!!

last season, because of the logjam in the OF, he only got 427 ABs. He was worth 2.3 WAR. with 600 ABs he would have been worth over 3 WAR easily (with 600 ABs in 2008 he would have been worth over 4 WAR). Johnny Damon was worth exactly 3 WAR last season for the Yankees and he got 626 ABs.

So yes Willingham is as valuable if not more valuable than Johnny Damon as a regular LF. Yep I said it!!!!

We would be fools to trade him for anything less than a top prospect.

Oh fangraphs thinks a 3 WAR player should be paid roughly $12 million a year. Willingham made what last season? Well he actually got 2.3 WAR so that translates to about $9 million in value. Again what is he being paid?

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jan 25, 2010 2:24 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t know about all the WAR talk, that being said, I second PhD’s emotion, excuse me, make that his objective analysis.
The Hammer’s a good guy who can crush a ball, is hard nosed (despite it being a bit on the pointy side) and is well liked in the club house.
Shouldn’t there be a Jamesian acronym for +- runs allowed by not being a jerk or vice versa?
Like Livo, Willingham a good chemistry guy that for the most part I like to watch play.
Baseball=A Game=Entertainment
Rizzo Teams = Chemistry
Bowden Teams = Biology
If the goal is to try sniff 500 this year and than get better next, than those are two guys I like to watch and root for in the process.
(BTW shouldn’t his at bat song be “If I Had A Hammer?”)

by PerryMason on Jan 25, 2010 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

Speaking of which B-daddy-O

I came across what would be a great at bat song for Mr. Dunn – “Kick the Donkey”. It’s by short lived 60’s British band “The Brain”. I heard it while back while listening to my favorite radio DJ, Bob Brainen, on WFMU (http://www.wfmu.org/), out of East Orange NJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA8vNbRfhiw

by PerryMason on Jan 25, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

As a musician who once counted on making their play lists...

… the station is a godsend for up in comers… Awesome really !!!

by Berndaddy on Jan 25, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I support WFMU...What are you all doing listening to East Orange-based radio? I thought it was just local...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 25, 2010 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ed my old group use be played on the station all the time...

… big time help for all the gigs in and around NYC/Jersey City… Knitting Factory/Makor/Maxwells/Bottom Lines/Bitter End/Even the Town Cryer and all the house concert ect..festivals and just down right great support. Great station…

by Berndaddy on Jan 25, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Seen some of the best concerts ever at Maxwell's...

And also lost a good deal of my hearing…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 25, 2010 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Huh? heh heh.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at Nats News Network on Jan 25, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You and me both.

It’s like a big open can in there with speakers poking you in your ears, but I could see by the list of musicians coming in there it was a nice place. For all of you DC people it’s like the old 9:30 Club (930 F St) The new 9:30 is a giant version of both of these clubs.

BTW who’ve you seen there..love to know.

by Berndaddy on Jan 25, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

At Maxwell's...

The Apples in Stereo
The Brian Jonestown Massacre (several times, tied for favorite band)
Yo La Tengo
Of Montreal
Beulah

I split my time between Maxwell’s and the Bowery Ballroom…Got to see my favorite band the Olivia Tremor Control at the Bowery…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 25, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely want to visit the 9:30 club, listen to all the NPR shows from there online...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 25, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

For anyone still following this thread

One of the great things about WMFU is that the shows have been archived for the last 10 years, so if you find a DJ who’s tastes coincides with your interests, you have access to more music then you could ever listen to.
It’s a musical goldmine and education.

by PerryMason on Jan 26, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Next time you come down for a B-Ball game check out who's playing and go...

… between 9:30 Club(DC) / Black Cat(DC) / Jammin Java(VA) /
The Birchmere (VA) / Iota Club (Va) and many more… we’ve got the gig for you to see. Go to Washingtoncitypaper.com for listings…

by Berndaddy on Jan 26, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

You forgot to list

The State/Falls Church Va..
I got Leon Russell on my radar… saw his show there a couple of years ago and he rocked the house! (He now looks like a giant stuffed panda on keyboards.)

by PerryMason on Jan 26, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yea, forgot The State Theater

I’ve had some good times there…both as a movie theater and a place to see music.

by Berndaddy on Jan 26, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

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