Washington Nationals: Weekend Rumor Roundup.
The final paragraph of MASNSports.com's Phil Wood's latest article entitled, "A Tale of Two Orlandos" got me excited for the week ahead as Mr. Woods first wrote about the rumors involving the Nationals and free agent infielders Orlando Hudson and Orlando Cabrera, noting that, "...time is running out on players like the Orlando's," and suggesting, "Clubs are going to start putting offers out to players like that saying 'first one to call back gets it.'" In Mr. Woods' opinion, "The Nats hope it'll be Hudson, and knowing that Cabrera is also in the picture may hasten Hudson's decision." Mr. Woods then talked about how the week ahead could be an important one in determining the final destinations of those free agents still waiting for the right offer to fall in their laps, and two in particular might still be on the Nationals' minds:
"The clock is also running on guys like Jon Garland and John Smoltz, both of whom are on the Nats' radar. Joel Piniero, Doug Davis and Jose Contreras are off the market. If the rest of the still-available free agents believe that dollar amounts are going to start increasing, they may be in for a rude awakening.
"Next week could be fun."
The Nationals expressed interest in both Garland and Smoltz earlier this winter. The last Nationals' fans heard about Jon Garland was in a Washington Post article on the Nats signing Jason Marquis entitled, "National sign Marquis to two-year deal", where Washington Post writer Chico Harlan reported that, "Initially, according to one source familiar with the team's pitching search," the Nationals had focused not on Marquis, but on the 30-year-old former White Sox, D-Backs and Dodgers' starter:
"...the Nationals targeted Garland, a 6-foot-6 right-hander who typifies the sort of hurler Rizzo appreciates. When Garland hedged -- he is believed to prefer a West Coast team -- the Nationals turned their attention to Marquis, who lives in Staten Island, N.Y."
Garland's desire to pitch for a West Coast team received a serious blow last week when the Angels inked right-hander Joel Piniero and the Dodgers reached a deal with Vicente Padilla. While neither deal rules out an agreement with Garland and either of those teams or another western team, it would certainly seem to make at least those two left coast teams unlikely suitors.
John Smoltz? In a Winter Meetings tweet, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal wrote that the, "Nats are Smoltz's last resort." Haven't heard about too many offers on the table for the soon-to-be-43-year-old, 21-year-veteran right-hander. Before the Nationals fell short in their pursuit of international free agent Aroldis Chapman I asked MLB.com's Bill Ladson through Twitter what pitchers were still on the Nats' radar and Smoltz was on the list Mr. Ladson included in response:
"The same guys we have heard about: John Smoltz, Vincente Padilla, Aroldis Chapman, Jarrod Washburn and Doug Davis."
Smoltz, Garland, Washburn? The latest update on the Nationals' plans for the starting rotation came from DC GM Mike Rizzo in a 1/20/10 article by Washington Post writer Chico Harlan entitled, "Free agent targets, plaudits, poetry", where Mr. Harlan wrote that, "Rizzo acknowledged that the Nats still want to sign a final arm for their rotation and are targeting a list of "four or five" potential players." Mr. Rizzo himself was then quoted explaining:
"'I think we need another pitcher in our rotation,' Rizzo said. 'I'd certainly like to add one. I'd rather not start the season with three very, very young pitchers in the rotation. Two young pitchers is much more palatable, I think. But if the right pitcher comes around that fits what I'm trying to do, we'll certainly make a run at him.'"
John Lannan, Jason Marquis, Jon Garland/John Smoltz, Scott Olsen and a revolving 5th spot shared between Craig Stammen, J.D. Martin, Garrett Mock, Collin Balester, Shairon Martis, Stephen Strasburg...etc. Certainly better than last year's rotation...or should Nationals fans just accept that the extra arm that will be added will be attached to the body of the one and only Livan Hernandez?
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Livan's one of my favorites...If Washington's Smoltzies' last resort...
Hernandez is the Nationals…He wants to come back…his knee’s all better…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 24, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
No to Livan...
Garland would be a great pickup. And would give a decent (thou not world beating) rotation for the year with some serious depth. Livan would at best be a 5th man these days (I took your read as more a run at Mamba – which worked – rather than any serious suggestion… )Livan hasnt been mentioned in dispathes for some time and Id be shocked if Rizzo went for him over Garland, et al.
I do think we’re into the bagain bins now thou. No need to over spend on any of these guys
"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.
Cart #61 back out there.
If his knee is healed he can walk out there, we won’t need the cart.
Sign Livo.
Why not us? Why not now?
surprise surprise
or should Nationals fans just accept that the extra arm that will be added will be attached to the body of the one and only Livan Hernandez?
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all these columns just to get back to square zero…surprise surprise…too funny
Livan is as good as Marquis
Livan’s Fielding independant pitching last season : 4.44 (as a Nat 3.76)
Marquis’ FIP was : 4.41
that means that with exactly the same defense, park, and luck they are the same pitcher last season.
Both these guys are old and likely to get worse.
Here are there xFIPs; or expected FIPS using 2009 numbers. Livan 4.46. Marquis 4.41
Here are NATS xFIPS from guys likely to get better than this with more experience:
Detwiler 4.83
Mock 4.49
Stammen 4.48
Olson 4.91
Martin 5.45
Few free agent pitchers are significantly better than our current guys. But, give our current guys 2 or 3 more seasons as full time starters with some decent gloves behind them and they will all be good major league pitchers. Better than most of the current crop of possible free agents in 2 years time. This assumes they face major leaguers and stay healthy.
look up what FIPS and xFIPS are here:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
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I have always thought Garland was the best FA after Lackey – I agree, we would not be world beaters but it would allow us to take our time with the youngsters – I am pretty sure Livan will be around late into spring training and we can probably sign him if we are not successful with Garland – What is the word on Tim Redding?, I liked how he handled himself when he was here and he might be another plus in the clubhouse – I realize none of these guys will make us contenders but they are all better then what we started with at this time last year
Marquis-Garland-Lannan-Olsen and one of the youngsters (my choice would be Martin)
If you want Garland or Sheets now would be the time...
Livan or a Redding (please no!) will be available long after the best of what’s left is off the FA market…
But keeping Sheets or Garland away from the Metsies is reason enough to overspend a little…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 25, 2010 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He killed the Nats wearing a Mets uni.
I mentioned Redding as well. He is nothing special, but I am shocked he hasn’t signed a deal anywhere. He’ll surface in someone system and get a call up mid year. Fill the void when someone goes down with an injury.
Why not us? Why not now?
Especially after last year...
Redding’s going to have to wait til all other FA options have a home…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 25, 2010 2:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
All of us here love Livo, yes, yes!!! Our hearts say yes but our mind tell us NO!
Logic dictates Garland type pitcher. Emotion would have us bring Shawn Hill back.(Here’s hoping he does will this year with the Blue Jays) In either case I’m sticking with the mind that knows…In Rizzo we Trust….
Scott Olsen?
He’s got a spot? He was barely adequate before he got hurt. What makes you think he’s locked in? He’s got to be last on that list of rotation fodder.
Open the wallet for Ben Sheets. He’s the only guy available (for nothing more than cash) that has a chance of being a difference maker (and a valuable trade chip in July.)
Right now I'd say Marquis and Lannan are the only guarantees for the rotation...
I put Olsen on a list of about 7 pitchers after the top two who could earn a starting spot…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 25, 2010 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Full of ?? at Sp
I would love to see this rotation
1. Lannan
2. ?? (Sheets or Garland
3. Marquis
4. Stammen
5. Detwiler
Garland is Type B who was not offered arbitration...
Which I believe, means he wouldn’t require compensation…Don’t quote me on that…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 25, 2010 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
type B
means the team that loses him gets a compensatory pick, not one from the club that signs the type B player.
I think.
Either way, the Nats need another arm and Garland should start to realize Washington is a good fit, both financially and opportunity wise. I’m happy with the offseason so far, and I know the few other pieces that Rizzo will add will be just fine, even if that means no Garland (he’s still a FA for a reason).
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 25, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was stuck on whether the fact that he wasn't offered arb, meant the Dodgers didn't get a pick...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 25, 2010 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ed, i think you're right here.
if he wasn’t offered arb, then no picks.
Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com
by Dave at District Sports Page on Jan 25, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I think that makes sense
my head isn’t screwed on straight, I’m still not used to the team I follow signing FAs in the offseason (baseball anyway).
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 25, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
by the way...
Nats can, and should, do better than Livo this season. it ain’t over yet.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jan 25, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions
Unrelated Question
How many guys do the Nats cary in the bullpen ?
chances Storen makes opening day roster?
I think 7 in the pen. (maybe 8)
The only way Storen doesn’t make it (barring a flameout in ST) is if the Nats play the arbitration time clock game and I think Rizzo is above that.
I think Storen makes the team in middle relief and a right hander from the pen will be moved…Bergmann.
Chris Duncan a Nat?
Rumor has it they signed him…
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
bedard!
worst case scenario he gets injured. best case, he is awesome. DO IT!
I think he is the best pitcher available…easily. second, sheets. Both have injury concerns but a developing organization can take a chance, as they will want to bring up some starters occasionally anyway. just do it!
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

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