Starting Pitching
by In Rizzo We Trust on Oct 4, 2010 9:14 PM EDT
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We have all heard how Rizzo's first priority is getting a front line starter, but just who will it be?
Trade targets: Zack Greinke, Matt Garza, James Sheilds
Free agents: Cliff Lee, Yu Darvish
Please leave your comments on who you think is the most likely future nat and your top choice.
Another topic of interest- leadoff man for 2011. I think I have found a good fit in Coco Crisp. He is affordable at about 5 million a year. The downside is that he has been injured a lot of this year, but he has been able to put up 32 SB with a .271 BA. He has an option but the A's are rumored to be shopping him also so I think that the Nats should be interested in him.
That's all folks!
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I put Matt Garza
I haven’t followed the Rays well enough to actually watch the games. All I know is that I keep hearing “his peripherals are better!” while hearing that his ERA and performance has regressed. As of yet, we don’t have enough big games for Big Game James. Garza seems similar to the Willingham move. Offer prospects, but you can get value because the trade partner is trying to remove some arbitration eligible salary.
Darvish and Lee will cost too much money. Greinke will cost too many prospects. I’d rather be able to sign a free agent that is more no. 2 or no. 3. Anybody got a beat on Jorge De La Rosa? I remember ajk being a big fan of his when he was able to participate in the discussion.
Nice thread and a nice idea for a poll from a first poster by the way.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
I'm interested in who voted "other" and who that person has in mind
I’d hate to be caught unawares by a possibility :-)
Darvish.
Go big or go home. Also, it’s not my money.
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What is the timing of the posting process?
I know that free agency starts in mid-November. Going in hard for Darvish and Dunn may make the Nats more attractive to Carl Crawford.
Yes, until reality hits the dream is alive! :-)
And I voted for Darvish, too. He’s younger (under team control for his prime years), doesn’t cost you prospects, and even with the posting fee may well be cheaper than Cliff Lee.
+ international superstar in an international city...
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by Patrick Reddington on Oct 5, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a huge Coco Crisp fan
Mostly because “he’s fast and so therefore he must lead off”. Trouble is his lifetime .332 OBP isn’t fantastic, and it’s below where I think a leadoff guy should be. He’s good for about 2 WAR per year, which is worth more like $4M.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Carl Crawford for leadoff!
He’s good for >4 WAR per year! I mean, he’s no Ryan Zimmerman (>7 WAR) but since only about three players in MLB are we won’t hold that against Carl.
As a Red Sox fan, I say stay away from Crisp
He was a human outmachine for them, to the point where he had to be benched in the playoffs. He is just a slightly better version of Nyjer.
by The Herndon Kid on Oct 5, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing.
He has an option but the A’s are rumored to be shopping him also so I think that the Nats should be interested in him.
Crisp was their best outfielder by a mile last year and he’s cheap (6MM). There’s absolutely no reason for the A’s to trade him unless they’re out of contention at next year’s deadline.
Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.
Now he's $6M??
Pass, unless the A’s plan of paying most of the salary.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
He's been really, really good this year. And I mean VERY good.
Awesome defense in CF, solid bat, sets the table well for Barton and Cust (who are both really, really high OBP guys) . The injuries are a problem, but this year they were more freak injuries (one was an injury on a play)
He’s also been a full time starter with the A’s, something he wasn’t in Boston, which could have an effect on his stats.
He’s staying in Oakland—-the A’s are very easily contenders in 2011 and their biggest weakness is in the outfield. And, Crisp’s the best CF in the organization at the time.
Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.
And, he's perenially been a good defensive CF.
Again, only way I see him on the trade market is if its the deadline and they’re many games out.
Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.
Coco Crisp
RobBobS, I don’t understand what you mean when you say that Coco Crisp only leads off because he is fast. He batted .279 in 2010 and has a lifetime average of .277 to ga along with his 32 steals in 290 at bats in 2010.
by In Rizzo We Trust on Oct 5, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
I mean...
that (certain) managers insist on leading him off because he’s fast.
You’ll find that around here, batting average and steals are among the least-used metrics for offensive production. Both are pretty poor indicators of contribution to a team’s ability to score.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
on the contarary
I find that BA and SB are probably the 2 most important stats for a leadoff guy.
Crisp also plays a good center field.
by In Rizzo We Trust on Oct 5, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
I would say OBP and SB/CS
I don’t much care how the leadoff hitter gets aboard, but I do want him on base. I also want a disruptive running threat. To be truly disruptive, one must needs be successful. Nyjer Morgan’s 34 steals tied him for 10th in major league baseball – looks pretty good, right? But his 17 caught stealings were #2, behind Juan Pierre’s 18 (for comparison, Pierre had 68 SB). And that’s not counting Morgan’s adventures in getting picked off.
Crisp’s 32 steals vs. 3 CS in 2010 (in just 75 games!) is impressive. Less impressive is his 75 games played this season and just 49 last season. A speed guy breaking down as he moves into his 30’s makes for a questionable investment.
"Disrupting" the pitcher is mostly a myth
In general, a double is more valuable than a single and a steal. BA doesn’t count doubles differently than singles. Also, the most important thing for a leadoff hitter to do is to get on base for the hitters behind him — i.e. the very most important thing is to NOT MAKE OUTS. That’s why OBP is a far better metric than BA.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
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