Should I Become a Nationals Fan?
Let me begin by saying that I've never posted on Federal Baseball, so if I break any rules or miss any common meme's apologies in advance.
So I have this dilemma, you see I grew up a Giants fan. Will Clark is still my favorite baseball player and that will probably never change. I didn't grow up in San Francisco and although I did grow up in California, I have no attachment to the city itself. Truth be told, I don't really like the city of San Francisco and if the US annexed it tomorrow, I would applaud the decision, but a lot of that goes for California too and is the reason I moved to Virginia well over a decade ago.
Still even after moving East I've remained a Giants fan, I kind of wanted to start following the Nationals when they moved here from Montreal, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it because it felt like I was giving up on the Giants before they'd won it all. I watched a few games but it almost felt like I was cheating on my wife or doing something I wasn't supposed to. Now that the Giants have finally won a World Series, I feel free to make a move, but I still kind of feel like you're supposed to root for the team you rooted for as a boy, until death do us part or that team goes all Baltimore Colts on you and moves in the middle of the night...
Some people might think I'm crazy to ditch a team that just won the World Series and has the best starting staff in baseball, but the Giants winning the World Series really let me know just how disconnected I am from the city itself and how much luster that took away from the experience.
I got to thinking that most--if not all--of you were probably fans of some other team before the Nationals moved to DC and wanted to get your thoughts on what made you switch? Did you switch as soon as you found out there would be a local team? Did it take a year or two? Did you kind of feel like you were doing something wrong? Is it weird following a team that doesn't necessarily have a history, or doesn't have a history that you're familiar with?
Thanks in advance for the help.
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You strike a familiar chord here
I grew up a Reds fan (in Texas). I devoted quite a bit of energy to that team, especially during my long grad-school stretch in Indiana (said stretch was undoubtedly lengthened precisely because of the proximity to Cincy, but I digress). Upon moving to the DC area, I bought Nats’ season tickets because I’m a big baseball fan, not because I cared too much about the Nats. Watching a team on a daily basis that you don’t care about is a chore. I did things like specifically drafting Nats players in my fantasy leagues so that I could have something to cheer about (Dmitri Young was always available late and paid some pretty good dividends, but I digress again). All the while I was really just biding time ’till the big series, once a season, against the Reds.
Anyway, it took about 2 years, but I finally have gone “all in” for the Nats. The Reds have officially taken a back seat, but they are a “sentimental favorite” still. I could imagine the same sort of thing happening with you. Meanwhile, enjoy your team’s moment in the spotlight!
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Thanks
That seems to make some sense to me, and is probably the approach I’ll take. The other part I left out, is that I want my son to able to root for a team he can actually see more than once a year and doesn’t have to wait until 10 pm to see most of their games.
I will admit, I know almost nothing about the Nationals, although I caught a little bit of Bryce Harper in the AFL, he seems like he has a chance to be special, the ball jumps off his bat. But would add, don’t put any faith in Livan, he will break your heart. He had a good year last year, no doubt helped by a .293 BABIP, which means he has possibly one more decent year left, but could throw up another 5+ ERA.
Quick question though, does everyone hate the Nationals TV announcers? IMO, they are truly awful, almost as bad as the guys from the White Sox.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about everyone,
but I find them unlistentoable (my new word of the day). I have heard some positive remarks about Carpenter; the positives escape me.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
I've also become more of a Nats fans than a Reds fan.
I have alot of family still in Ohio though so I’ll always still follow the Reds.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Same situation faced - devoted Nats fan now
I grew up a HUGE fan of the Big Red Machine. Moved to the DC area in 1990, and could never adopt the Orioles. My son came along in 1995, and I really wanted him to enjoy the baseball experience. When the Nats came along in 2005, it was the dream fulfilled. It means so much to have a local team (I grew up in California also, and not near any big league team) – despite the club’s poor start in DC, I have found it extremely easy to adopt the team as my own. I root for the Reds a little, still, but there’s no question where my allegiances are. And with my son in tow for the games, it didn’t take long at all (one of the first spring training games of 2005 season, complete with autographed baseball from grand-slam hitting catcher Gary Barnett) to go all in for them. Zimmerman’s made it easy, too – no matter the despair of losing 100 games, Zimmerman has so far held up his end of the bargain as a good guy, the kind of guy (Ripkenesque) that you don’t worry about your kid idolizing. The team is going places – get on board now, so you can say “I was a fan of the Nats when they were horrible!”
One more thing......
Actually enjoy Carpenter a lot. Like his voice, like his cadence. Didn’t like Dibble (despite his Red-ness), mostly because he was a one-hit wonder: the pitcher should “just throw his best pitch.” It’s a bit repetitive to hear that for 162 games. I suppose not too surprising given that he was a one-pitch guy himself, but he didn’t seem to have anything insightful to say about any position on the field other than pitcher (and really not too much to say about pitching either, as is evident from his aforementioned entreaties to the pitcher to throw his best pitch).
I’m not going to rip on Ray Knight, because he’s a genuinely nice guy, and also dates back to the Big Red Machine. But much as I hate to say it (and I HATED the Dodgers!), Don Sutton was by far the best announcer we’ve had in terms of understanding the whole game, and being able to share that with the audience. If you watched a game he was working, you’d learn something. Can’t say that was ever the case with Dibble. Ron Darling was OK, but stumbled over his words a lot.
I agree with you that Sutton was knowledgable
The flip side of that, though, was that he loved to remind you about it and had no respect for Carpenter as a result. I wish that he’d have more social skills and commitment to the DC market because he could have been so much better than Dibble if he’d wanted to make this a home.
It’s tough for us to find great commentators because we just don’t have the history of ballplayers is this market with ties to the team.
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You're right about that arrogance....
…not quite as bad as how Theismann treated Kornheiser on the ESPN Sunday Night football games (painful painful painful!), but not pleasant to sit through the derision.
The three man booth with Theismann and Matt Millen is shameful to the Redskins' fan base
Millen is a national joke because of the Lions and Theismann is horrible and loves the sound of his own voice too much.
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Yet, like Joe Buck and Tim McCarver
Somehow Theismann still did the Sunday night game on ESPN for years. No one liked him—that I talked to at least—yet year after year there he was.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't heard Knight in a while
Since he was on ESPN. The few times I’ve caught games Dibble was announcing and that was what made it painful. Plus, the Giants TV announcers (Krukow and Kuiper) are about as good as they come. Having the baseball package I catch just about everyone’s announcers sooner than later, but bad announcers, like bad teams, are part of the experience.
Thanks for your candor, I do really like Zimmerman, his glove is amazing up there in Brooks Robinson territory and he seems like one of the good guys who you don’t mind your son looking up to.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants TV announcers are, IMO,
the best in the game. Knowledgeable, funny, and respectful of the viewer’s intelligence. Oh to have a crew like them!
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
The other funny thing about them
Is that they’ve been a lot less coy about their partaking of spirituous libations during the game (aka drinking on the job) the last two years. Kuiper was absolutely bombed after the NLDS doing the post game, it was great.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
As a Giants fan, what's your take on the weed in the parking lot meme during the World Series?
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That sounds about right for San Francisco
The weed laws haven’t been enforced there for about 40 years.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
by Giant Torture on Dec 9, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
I started out a Mets fan
For me, baseball was born in the early 1980s with Doc and Straw and all of the rest of those guys. I wouldn’t say baseball was my favorite sport at that time, but I definitely cared about the Mets and did my part in the “Hate the Yankees, Braves and other rivals” part of the Mets fandom and was really crushed when they lost the Subway series. I moved down here in ‘99, though and kind of lost touch with baseball when I couldn’t see my team on a regular basis and they started doing things in the front office that were hard to stomach. In general, it’s more fun to root for the hometown teams. You’re part of a rising tide when they win, and you share in the community joy of some of the great times the franchise has had such as the opening season, the opening day of Nats Park with Zim’s walkoff homerun, and the Strasburg start. While next year may be a tough run even if they do sign Cliff Lee on top of Jayson Werth given the youth and offensive questions around the diamond, there’s no question that the Nats are a team that’s not torture to follow and has a core of good people rooting for the team and a sleeping giant of a market that we’ll learn a bit more about next year without Strasburg, but a greater commitment to winning.
One thing that can be tough around here is that ultimately it is a Redskins town and sometimes that can get grating when the day that you sign Jayson Werth is consumed by day 150 of the Albert Haynesworth fiasco or you see the Caps getting marginalized despite being such an A+ organization.
In my case, however, I have pretty much turned against the Mets. While I would prefer that they finish ahead of the Marlins, Braves, and especially the Phillies in our division, I do take great joy in our plucky team beating them at times or a Mets castoff like Livan Hernandez turning it around to have a great season.
Lastly, as I’m sure you know, we’ve got several local minor league teams that can be a great stepping stone for your son to connect to the game in Bowie, Frederick, and Potomac or even farther out in Aberdeen, Hagerstown and DelMarva if you don’t mind a beautiful drive (well maybe not to Aberdeen) along the way. Minor league baseball, scoring the games and the opportunity to build a relationship with the team through the ballpark and the top notch radio crew is what has bound me to the team. Having the opportunity to connect with such a good community of people here and elsewhere has helped me go from serious fan to hardcore.
Hope you join us. On the whole we’re good folks. Especially now that the Mamba has hit the road. (although I kind of miss him. FYI, Mamba was a figure who want taunt and right poems dissing the team, espeically after heartbreaking losses. Kind of a troll with intelligence.)
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Thanks
I actually live in Richmond, which makes it even tougher now that the Giants AA team is here. (BTW, I cannot believe the Nationals did not jump on putting a team here and expanding their TV market, there’s a million plus people here and it’s still by and large a Braves town).
I think I’m ready to jump on the bandwagon, but will admit that while I think Zimmerman and Harper have bright futures, Strasburg has Mark Prior written all over him. Can Livan still hit, when he was with the Giants he was—at times—a better hitter than he was a pitcher and I still haven’t fully forgiven him for the World Series Game 7 in 2002. All in all though, it seems like a good club, with the type of players that you can root for. I actually like the Werth signing, because as long as you’re viewed as a perennial cellar-dwellar, you’ll continuously have to overpay for FA’s and some will never sign with you.
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by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
im in midlo and i feel ya
I’ve made the nats farm system southern expansion argument before. I see the squirrels more as their own team than affiliated with sf
May the way of the hero lead to the Triforce
by TJL on Dec 8, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'm down in Chester
It’s great having the Squirrels here It’s too bad the Giants farm system was kind of depleted this year though, only got a couple months of Belt. BTW Brandon Belt is the real deal, maybe the second best player in the MiLB behind Bryce Harper.
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by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
at least nats park is pretty accessable for us
its about a 1.5 (2.5 with kids…) hour drive to the springfield metro station and the metro will take you right to the park
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by TJL on Dec 9, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
That long? when traffic is light I can usually go downtown to downtown in an hour and a half.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
we're in the burbs, it can take a good bit to get to downtown richmond from midlo or chester sometimes. Plus i-95 can be pretty variable
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by TJL on Dec 9, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I keep forgetting. How far is it to Potomac for you?
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prob about 2 hours
traffic between richmond and fredericksburg can be very variable. a little constructions can slow things quite a bit since its all 2 lanes
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Yep
“One thing that can be tough around here is that ultimately it is a Redskins town and sometimes that can get grating when the day that you sign Jayson Werth is consumed by day 150 of the Albert Haynesworth fiasco or you see the Caps getting marginalized despite being such an A+ organization.”
So true. I couldn’t find any Werth news on the radio the day after we signed him.
Zuckerman got like a 5-10 minute segment on the 980 I think
People don’t care about those signing until we win, though. I kind of accept but it don’t like it now. The Caps have had to struggle and claw for regular coverage that they just got on 980 and that they haven’t had but so long on 106.7. We’re years behind them on the development curve and the football heavy guys don’t respond to the cerebral aspects of baseball as much.
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In the morning?
980 and 106.7 were both covering Haynesworth only when I was in my car. I figure with an hour and twenty minute commute I should be able to find some news of a signing like Werth. :|
Goessling is on The Junkies every once in a while during the season. Lurch or whatever is the only baseball fan on there though (and a Red Sox fan) and the rest of the idiots groan and bitch about having to talk about baseball.
No, that was like the day or the day after the Werth signing
Should have been clearer
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Grew Up A Braves Fan.....
I am originally from Alabama, and grew up a fan of the Atlanta Braves. Struggled through 2 decades of terrible baseball, interrupted by a season here and there of pretty decent teams….until the 1990’s and through the 2004 season when I enjoyed Atlanta Braves baseball at its absolute best. I have lived in the DC area since 1989, and vowed that if DC ever got a baseball team, I would support it. I am telling you….it was DIFFICULT at first. I hated the Expos, and I didn’t think I would ever be able to support them at first. In fact, I didn’t hold true to my vow until mid-2006. I am now, however, a season ticket holder (4 years now, going on my 5th year) and I very much enjoy watching the Nats kick the snot out of the Atlanta Braves. I have even traveled to Turner Field to watch the Nats, clearly sporting my Curly W jersey and ballcap. Yes, Mike Lempke (now a radio host in Atlanta) hammered me pretty good when he saw me, but eventually autographed my Curly W hat. So, if you decide to make that transition, I say, WELCOME to NatsTown! It really is an exciting time to be a fan, watching the youngsters grow into their MLB positions, and cheering on the team. Sometimes frustrating when the Phillies are in town, but sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. The bottom line….these young players will certainly grow on you, and it becomes easier and easier to cheer them on.
its still the National League at least
I’ve enjoyed being a Nats fan since moving to DC in 2006. The transition, from Padres fan previously, was made easier, however, since this is the first time I’ve actually lived in a city with a professional team. I grew up a few hours drive from a Dodgers or Padres game, now I live off the Navy Yard Metro, 10 minute walk to Nationals Park.
Funny enough, Will Clark was my favorite player as a kid. A decision I came too after looking through my baseball card collection. I believe some of the deciding factors were his easy to pronounce name, and the cool eye black he wore.
Yes, it's still the National League
I wouldn’t even consider it if it was an American League team, that’s not baseball. No double switch, no decision about whether to pull a guy who’s cruising in the 6th if it’s 1-1, not for me.
Good thing you missed his middle name, Nuschler is a little tougher to pronounce.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
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You’re welcome here any time. (Grew up a Dodgers fan, myself, so you’re my natural enemy, although I always disliked the Padres more. Drifted away from baseball many years before moving to DC, and rediscovered how much fun it was when the team moved into down. I never enjoyed baseball this much when I was a kid! I sure miss Vin Scully, though. Also, the Nationals’ radio team, Charlie and Dave, is absolutely top-notch. I’ll watch the game with the sound off and them on, in spite of the radio & TV being slightly out of sync.)
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
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Agreed on Charlie and Dave
Any news on whether they have been re-signed and what station (please be WJFK) they will be on?
by The Herndon Kid on Dec 8, 2010 11:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A double switch around here is called a Riggleman, FYI. ;)
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 8, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Will Clark
One of the sweetest swings ever.
grew up a yankees fan
Watching baseball specfically the yankees were boring , they won most of their games there was no real connection i kinda like the nats during this time. then i watched when roy hallady in his phillies debut and even though the nats lost i felt motivated to like the nats and although it wasn’t a winning season i had more fun watching the nats lose than the yankees win that tells alot about how the nationals even though they aren’t good yet when they played aginst the rockies and were down 10-0 without an out in the first inning but when they were fighting back it made me a nats fan for life
Lifetime Expos fan who stuck with the team after the move.
This a great post, Giant Torture and a great way to get used to the conversation here. Thanks for taking the time.
Go with the Nats. You and your kid can grow up loving the same team, and it’s a great time to get involved, you’ve skipped the lean years and hopefully they’re about to start getting it done on the field.
Thanks again, great stuff. Never knew so many people here were waiting for baseball and switched allegiances.
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by Patrick Reddington on Dec 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST reply actions
I think it's more...
..“skipped the leanest years”… Werth won’t get the Nats to .500 all by himself. Still, 70 wins wouldn’t be bad.
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
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Lifelong Orioles fan,now Nationals fan
A lot of us here used to be Orioles fans. It’s much easier to continue being an Orioles fan in DC than other teams, because we can still watch all of the games on TV, and we can make the drive up to Baltimore to catch O’s games. I used to live around Baltimore until I moved to DC 4 years ago, so I wasn’t here when the Nationals first moved here. Honestly, if the Orioles weren’t so bad, I would probably still continue to be an Orioles fan. But 2-3 years ago I got too fed up with watching the Orioles, so I started paying attention to the Nationals more, and last season I pretty much abandoned watching the Orioles.
I found that even though the Nationals have done just as bad as the O’s over the past several years, I’ve enjoyed following the Nationals much more. Since Rizzo became GM over the team really feels like it’s going in the right direction, that there is light at the end of the tunnel. And since I’ve started watching the Nationals I’ve got to say I definitely prefer the National League style of play, with no DH, to the American League.
I am very anti-Orioles because of Angelos' resistance to the Nats for all those years and the MASN deal
That said, I’m trying to lighten up on some of the Orioles fans on this site and elsewhere. Historically, I feel that it’s tough to be consistently for both the Nationals and Orioles. I have to remember sometimes that the Orioles actually voted against the move of the expansion Senators to Texas. I guess if Angelos were to leave the team or the Lerners were to be given a chance to buy out of MASN it would be easier for me to be sympathetic to their struggles.
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Angelos
Fighting to keep a team out DC turned me into a baseball orphan. Forgive, never forget. :)
I am as well
I pretty much stopped following the Orioles after Ripken retired and Mussina became a Yankee.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
How I became a Nats fan
As for me, I was born and raised a Yankees fan…and still am. However, I have lived in the DC area for most of my life. So although my father took me on frequent trips up to Yankee Stadium and Memorial Stadium/Camden Yards to see the Yankees play, I have always wanted to root for a baseball team all my own. I always respected National league baseball, what I call "real" baseball since they don’t have the DH. So when the Nationals came to town, it was a no brainer for me. I immediately became a season ticket holder. Now I didn’t abandon the Yankees. I figure that I can root for one AL team and one NL team.
But to address your issue of being a Giants fan, I was a Rockies fan with I lived in Colorado. However, I did stop rooting for them because, although I consider Colorado my second home, I am a DC man now. I would say that since you don’t have any connection to California anymore, pull the ripcord and join Nats Town. The water feels fine!
by Adam Samuel Roth on Dec 8, 2010 6:03 PM EST reply actions
But how did you *feel* when the Yankees were here for interleague
Who were you rooting for then?
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I just smile...
…and enjoy the game.
by Adam Samuel Roth on Dec 14, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Lifelong Yankee Fan, STILL a Yankee Fan, ALSO a Nats Fan
These guys are OK with a Yankee fan in their midst, so you know they’re/we’re a tolerant bunch. :-)
I’m a DC native and even of a certain age where I could have been a Senators fan, but my parents were never baseball fans and by the time my brother and I got into baseball the Senators were gone. As DC natives, rooting for the O’s was not an option. As geeks, the first thing we did upon becoming fans was read everything we could about baseball. And so we became Yankee fans because of the history of the team, despite the fact that in the early 70’s the Yankees were TERRIBLE. Yes, I was an underdog Yankee fan living under the thumb of smug preening Orioles fans – no one believes it now, but as Casey Stengel would say “you can look it up.” Getting in on the ground floor is a great idea – you can say “I was a fan when they were terrible” and mock bandwagon fans when the Nats fulfill Bryce Harper’s goal of being “the Yankees of the NL East.”
And yes, I root for both teams, catching up with the Yankees on the cable TV package and attending between 10 and 20 Nationals games a year. The Nats are easy to like even when they break your heart – which they often do.
So get in on the ground floor – with 298 losses in three years, there’s no place to go but up! Let’s hope the Nationals have a run like the Yanks have had over the past 15 years :-)
I wouldn't say I'm okay with "a Yankee fan in their midst"
I’d say I’m okay with you as a “a Yankee fan in [our] midst”. Clearly, you’re not a bandwagon fan and rooted for them during the post-Mantle leaner years and you’re a regular contributor to the site who can take the occasional good natured ribbing from others.
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Grew up an O's fan
once Cal retired, and they became constantly sucky, and those crab eaters of Baltimore became all annoying with their purple camo, then I just kinda gave up on baseball.
I assume by "purple camo"
You mean the Ravens. I guess that’s an interesting point. Once the Ravens came back it kind of divided the markets a little cleaner.
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Ravens fans are notorious for wearing "twilight snow camo", which is shades of purple & black with white.
it’s hideously ugly.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Dec 9, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously...
…Started out with a mixture of O’s (closest team) and the cubs (watched games on television after school). The minute the Nats were announced and started selling Terrell Sledge jerseys down by RFK in a trailer, I was there. Can’t say I bought a sledge jersey, but I was hooked. This team may at times be terrible, but I love Washington.
The minute Bowden was fired however, I actually started believing this team could at some time compete. God bless that move.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
AMEN!
And Hallelujah!
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But Bowden was never fired.
He quit. It’s small, but VERY important, distinction.
If it were up to Mark Lerner, Bowden would still be the GM of this team.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Dec 9, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I grew up a Cards fan
I’m an Army brat. The one thing I knew for certain was the St. Louis Cardinals. My Dad loved them. No matter where we lived in America he’d drive us to the nearest NL ball park to watch his Cards. He kept a stats sheet on them from the box scores he saved from the papers. My brother and I thought they were holy papers or something. We moved to DC in ‘75. No NL team here. I didn’t follow the O’s … I’ve been hoping for a baseball team for a long time. We’d go up to see the Phillies play the Cards blah blah blah…than the Nats came down from Montreal and I latched on right from the start. I still remember that first Cards vs Nats game. Cards whipped on the Nats. I came away from the game feeling like I’d been kick in the head. That’s when I knew I was a Nats fan. Thus beginning my torturous life since than.
The Cardinals were my NL team before the Nats came along
My grandmother lived in St. Louis for a long time, and my first ML game was Cardinals vs. Astros in Busch Stadium (either 1969 or 1970 – I’m not sure which lol). Baseball didn’t take at the time, but my Grandmother always called them “my Cardinals” and so, particularly after she passed, I always wished them well and still do. But I’m a friend of the Cardinals, not a fan :-)
My first Cards game was in Atlanta
My family was stationed at Ft.Benning, Ga. we use to go watch the Cards play the Braves. Later on we were stationed at Ft. Stuart, Ga. and use to watch the Savannah Braves play all the time. Come to think about it we watched the Columbus team, too. My family is a baseball #1 family.
I am a Cubs fan who has no problem with having a second team...
and my second team is the Nationals. I was raised by a mother who loved the Cubs, but she also loved New York City and she adopted the Dodgers as her second team( over the Yankees and the Giants). She was mad when moved to California but ultimately forgave them. When I finally started seriously following baseball, my team was naturally the Cubs, and I didn’t have a second team. Until the Expos turned into the Nationals. I love DC ( was born there and used to visit relatives growing up) and I decided they would be my second team.
I root for the Cubs over the Nationals when they play against each other except when I feel it necessary to invoke the Marquis Exemption. (If I’m a fan of the opposing team or pitcher and they don’t need the win and Jason Marquis does need the win, I will switch sides for that game only).
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
Your loyalty to Jason Marquis is legendary
I suppose it is also admirable. Are the Nats or the Cubs closer to the playoffs? And who did you want to get Carlos Pena?
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
I am a "meh" on Carlos Pena...
I figured he’d be alright for either team. Since the Cubs have him, I guess I hope the Nats will get LaRoche since he seems to be the only other “meh” he’d be okay on either team first baseman out there.
Hopefully, the Cubs hitting coach can work on Pena’s hitting and improve it but as long as he plays good defense, I’m fine with him.
The Cubs fan in me hates to say it, but I think I’ll have to give the nod to the Nationals for being closer to the playoffs. The Nationals did manage to spend a little time occupying first place in their division last year which is far better than the Cubs managed. Plus, I think Werth will be an asset to the team. The Phillies are due to be knocked down a peg or two and I don’t think the Mets are improving much.
The Cubs are in a holding pattern for another season or so until the big contracts are gone and the kids like Castro and Colvin and some of the bullpen are little more seasoned. I’m hoping the Cubs manage to get to .500 in 2011.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
Grew up in the Philadelphia area,
Life long Eagles fan. For baseball when I was young I loved the O’s because of B.J. Surhoff, but eventually I remember being a fan of the Phillies for a gap of time but then I really did not follow baseball that much. When the Nationals started in 2005, it sorta began as a joke that I liked the Nats. Everyone thought it was funny but as the year went on I got hooked. I became an inactive fan who just pays attention to the scores. As more time went on and the Nationals picked up Soriano, I followed them pretty closely. I as started to hate the Phillies more and more. Today I am a very diehard fan and follow the Nationals almost daily.
Still a Giants fan...
But now living in central Virginia much like yourself, and with the Nats being the closest big league baseball team. I can’t say that I share your disconnected feeling with San Francisco or Northern California. I have a ton of family and many personal connections that still exist out there, and I manage to visit at least twice a year and watch games at Pac Bell whenever I can. In spite of my displaced status I love The City and I love California, so I don’t intend on changing my number one fan affiliation with the Giants anytime soon. That’s just out of the question :)
That being said, this Nationals team is not a bad option if you’re looking to go in a different, more local direction. The joy in watching the Nationals is in the potential this team has, and even if things aren’t going so well now, you get a chance to grow with them. Part of being a fan is sticking with them when they’re terrible, marking their progress and living with the ups and downs and hoping for something more in the future. The team has potential, and so does this fanbase; I was lucky enough to attend the Strasburg debut in DC, and let me just say the excitement and electricity I felt was something I never would’ve expected from a baseball game (and this includes an innumerable amount of Giants games I’ve been to in my lifetime). That one seminal event that I was able to experience firsthand proved to me that DC can truly fashion itself a respectable and credible baseball town.
As an aside, I wore my Tim Lincecum player t-shirt to that game. A gentleman who saw me asked if I has room in my heart to root for the Nats whenever I could (with the natural exception of when they were playing the Giants), and I unequivocally said yes. Don’t ever believe anyone who says true fans can only support one team. That’s a very narrow minded and ignorant thing to say.
Take it from this Giants fan. If you make the switch, there’ll be no hard feelings on my part. You’ll be moving on to a worthy successor with a solid foundation and a good place to nurture your newfound loyalties to the local nine. But try not to forget your friends by the bay, even if we are relegated to a secondary role ;)
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
never had a team of my own
ive always loved baseball and played competitively but grew up in the DC area and felt almost orphaned by the majors. I went to o’s games as much as I hated the team and the city in general. I watched the cubs on tv but only because that was the team that was on TV.
I know i’ll always be a nats fan after proudly wearing my W’s over the last few years. Be warned, some of us are more acclimated to sustained losing from years of skins or caps than someone from a traditionally winning market.
May the way of the hero lead to the Triforce
Thanks
I’m pretty used to heartbreak, 54 years without a WS title will do that to people, luckily I only had to endure 30+ of those years.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I grew up as a Braves fan
I was raised as a Braves fan and loved the team during the late 80s and early 90s. Probably my greatest baseball memory involved Sid Bream, Francisco Cabrerra, and a stadium full of chanting fans. It was an amazing time after years of losing teams, when even the television ads featured a talking gloves who, when someone told them “Let’s go to a Braves game!” responded with “What do we get?”. And the classic “Come watch the best teams in the National league take on the Braves!”
But after the World Series title and my father moving away from Atlanta, I kinda stopped following baseball. Fewer and fewer of the players I loved remained on the team and I had no connection to the new guys.
And after I moved to DC in 2003, I tried an Orioles game or two, but being the only fan there rooting for a team from another city… eh.
But then the Nats came in 2005 and I followed with interest the wheeling and dealing of getting a stadium and such. And since I work right near Union Station, I decided to go to the unveiling of the team name. I was disappointed it wasn’t the “Grays” but happy it wasn’t the “Senators”, so I got used to it and picked up a hat that day.
And if you want to know how I fell for the team, read St. Svrluga’s book. Wow… this scrappy team with no home comes to DC and is in 1st place for most of the year. Jose the Barbarian and Frank Robinson in Anaheim. Lovable Chad Cordero’s and his flat-brimmed cap. Well, as I said, read the book if you weren’t here, but it was a magical year, even if there was no fairy-tale ending. (Did I really just write that?)
I still find it hard to root for a team… I like to root for players and when players I like leave, it makes it harder to keep rooting for the team. For a time, it looked like the owners wouldn’t commit to the team. If Strasburg hadn’t been signed in 2009, I gotta say, I probably would have bailed on the team.
But they did and I haven’t and somehow in 2010 I went to my greatest baseball game since Sid Bream headed for home.
first love
I’m too young to remember the senators, but my father is not and clearly remembers having two teams stolen from us. My father was a somewhat serious orioles fan, and so was I. But the day the nationals came to DC, he said he’d be damned if he let them steal another. He bought tickets and jerseys that same day.
Now I was 12 at the time, but watching them was fun. The one-run wonders were somehow in first place, Robinson was napping in the dug-out, and Cordero was giving out heart attacks every ninth inning. Needless to say, I was in love with this team.
It’s been a bit more painful to watch since then, but my father, the veteran of the senators painful ending and the redskins under norf always looks towards net year. Plus, as he reminds me when we loose to the mets, the nats may be bad now, but in a few years we’ll be good. And the mets will still be the mets.
Only now that i’m going to school in Atlanta do i really appreciate how much I miss seeing them play on TV. And its going to get better, and when it does, I will be proud to say that i’ve been there since the beginning, when John Patterson was the ace and Cordero the closer. Hope you join us.
by George P. Burdell on Dec 8, 2010 7:14 PM EST reply actions
Well...
I can honestly say that I became a Nationals fan from the start. I remember going to an Orioles game once at Camden Yards in 2002 or 2003, but when the Nationals rolled around (when I was 13) I just stepped onto the wee stages of the bandwagon.
It’s good knowing that I’m sort of growing up with the team. Even through all the ups and downs.
Proud to say I’ve been a fan from the start, and always will be.
"Sure, mom, I settle down with a nice girl every night, then I'm free the next morning."
Lifelong Red Sox fan
As I think most people here know :) I never actually lived in New England, but my mom’s side of the family all hails from Boston and I now have a cousin who works for the Sox. While I love the Sox, I decided to follow the Nats last March when I found out my wife was pregnant. I wanted to be able to take my daughter to ball games and figured she would want to root for the hometeam.
I have fallen in love with the Nats and now follow them daily. I think I enjoy them mainly because I can see the franchise being built and I feel like I am on the groundlfoor. Also, the friends I have made on this site have helped. I have gone to a game with the ever-joyful Souldrummer and had beers with Doghouse and Mrs. Doghouse. The sense of community here on FB has really drawn me in.
I will be at opening day with my daughter this year and hopefully we can meet up and have a a beer with the other DC Faithful.
In case people haven't heard...
Sox reportedly signed Crawford for $140m over 7 years.
by The Herndon Kid on Dec 8, 2010 11:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Support from a galaxy far, far, away...
Being an Australian I wasnt interest in baseball much until the late 80s-early 90s when I started playing the game at high school and social club. Back then I was a fan of the up and coming Braves with their outstanding rotation, Dave Justice and Ron Gant. I threw myself in all things baseball back then and ejoyed supporting it both locally and in the US.
As I moved on to other things I drifted away from baseball in the late 90s – the ridiculous home run chases which were obviously fuelled by more than just a good swing didn’t help in my interest. Eventually I started to take up following baseball closely again when I move to Canberra (Australia’s capital city) and when the team moved in 2005 to the US capital it seemed like a logical choice to the follow the Nats. My interest was also generated by the likes of Frank Robinson who’s story I admired for many years.
From there I’ve also fallen for the Nats despite its ups and downs. Personally I think following a team from its start has been a great ride. From pratically auditioning people from the crowd for its pitching staff in 2007 to the recent highs of Strasburg, Harper and now Werth. While I was initally optismistic about the moves made by Bowden (Kearns and Lopez seemed like such a good deal…), I firmly believe that he set the franchise back years by some of the shortsighted moves… but I wouldnt say the Nats are the only franchise to have suffered this fate.
I was thrilled to be able to visit Washington (and the US more broadly) earlier this year and see the Nats play (even if it was against the Phillies). I was struck by how friendly the people at the game were to us – from the old couple next to us to the Phillies fans to our left (who proceeded to introduce us to the entire row). We also got to meet Patrick, Mr and Mrs Doghouse, Dave NNN and others – who were all, to be frank, breathtakingly friendly and hospitiable. I think if we lived in DC we’d be at every game – at the Red Porch having a beer.
It made a real special night. My partner and I had a great time and I would echo some of the comments above about the great community of this site. It’s strange that people across the globe can have such a connection through sport but we really loved our time in the US.
We’ll be back and following this site daily.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I’ve lived in the D.C. area all my life and I grew up a Senators fan. My Will Clark was Harmon Killebrew, my father’s Will Clark was Goose Goslin, his father’s Will Clark was Walter Johnson and due to circumstances beyond my control my son’s Will Clark was Cal Ripken.
It’s so great to have a home team to root for (especially with your son or daughter), but buyer beware!
When trying to describe what it’s like to be a Nats fan, I think a Buck Owens song I heard tonight puts it best…
"I wasn’t foolin’ around the day I said I do
But many a night I wished that I had been a-foolin’ too
I know it’s foolish taking all this misery
But when it’s the Nats, a fool I’ll always be"
In any case, welcome aboard!
by PerryMason on Dec 8, 2010 8:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
One good Buck Owens line deserves another
“Left him my watch and my old house key
Don’t wanting folks thinking that I steal
Then I thanked him as I was leaving
And headed out for Bakersfield.”
Condolences on your son adopting Cal Ripken, that could bore anyone to tears.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of boring, I’ll not bore you with my relatively brief allegiance to the O’s (as they say “it complicated”), but I will say that even though I had my ups and downs in rooting for Cal, I still say that he had the best hands I ever saw (other then Buck Owens of course).
Matt Williams
I was the bat boy for a single A club when I was a kid and Matt Williams was there briefly, he used to take infield with a ping-pong paddle taped to his hand, unbelievably soft hands, but I spent a year as Omar Vizquel’s batboy when he was in A ball and his hands are still the softest I’ve ever seen, he can do things with his glove hand that no one was doing when he came up and very few have been able to imitate.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
by Giant Torture on Dec 9, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
A Sincere Thank You
Thanks everyone for your candor and support. The Nats have some very likeable players like Zimmerman, Werth and Strasburg and I’m looking forward to next season. Hopefully you can all put up with a washed out ballplayer turned stat nerd.
"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant
Lived in DC my whole life...
But I was too young to remember the Senators, so I had no choice to be an O’s fan. That is, until Angelos took over. I grew increasingly disheartened with every move that old bastard made (Belle contract, refusing to surround himself with “baseball people,” drafting terrible young talent, letting Palmeiro leave, etc…) So from about 2003 onward, I was without a team, until September 29, 2004, when I finally had a team I could really call my own. The very next day, I took cutouts of the proposed Nationals logo, ironed them on a shirt, and was among the first to have “Nationals gear.” I was hooked. The last several years have been trying, with the Bowden years, the Smiley scandal, that 100+ loss seasons, etc., but I can still proudly say that I am just as big a fan, if not a bigger fan, than I was on day one. This team is just so darn likeable. Even Zimmerman, our very own superstar, is one of the nicest guys you’ll ever meet, and when you actually talk to him, one of the funniest. Plus, the games are great, and the Nationals diehards (before I found this site, I thought they were few and far between), are good, decent people. To conclude, you ABSOLUTELY should hop on the Nats bandwagon.
What do Carl Crawford, Adam Dunn, and Cliff Lee have in common? None will be playing for the Nats next year.
by Nationalpastime9 on Dec 8, 2010 9:19 PM EST reply actions
I'm an A's fan who transplanted to DC
I was born in the Bay Area and my dad took me to A’s games even when I was 3-4. I’m still an A’s fan to this day and when I’ve cared enough to follow sports, they’re the team I follow. My family moved out of the Bay Area and to DC when I was about 8, and since then, I’ve lived in multiple parts of Florida (including Tampa), the Triangle area in NC, Virginia. I moved back to DC after various incidents for family/personal reasons in 2009.
So yeah, the draw of local baseball is very alluring, and thus I now also follow the Nats avidly. And, there’s no conflict of interest (if there is, that’s a GREAT thing, since that means there’s a world series involved). So yeah, I’ve got two teams now. I love local baseball and actually being able to listen to a game on the radio/watch one on TV. So, I’ll be a fan of both. It’s more fun that way anyway.
I can’t get into actively following any other sports besides MLB—-I hate American football and the NFL and find NBA boring. I follow some college sports but none outside of a small scope.
The Nats were still the Expos last time I lived in DC (we moved out in the late 90s). I’m also part-Canadian from my dad’s side so that’s gotta play in there.
MOAR SPARTACUST. NOW.
Lifelong Sox fan and grew up in New England and was an AL guy all the way
I was never an NL guy – I moved here about two years ago and my son and I jumped on the Nationals. So, it was easy to become a fan (even though they are basement dwellers). I am also a Patriot (former Patsies growing up hard luck loser team). So, with the Sox and Patriots I have cheered for some lousy teams over the years going back to the early 70s when I was in grade school. (However, the Whalers had some good years not to mention the Celtics…but I too digress)
We are learning the team and getting smarter on all things NATS and we are excited about the building up of the organization. I admit I still know more about the Sox at this point; however, I am slowly changing. Who to cheer for when the Sox are in town? As hard as it will be I would have to outwardly cheer for the NATS (while probably inwardly cheering for the Sox)…but, I was abused as a child – you see my family brought me up to be a Red Sox fan and the chords are hard to break after watching the heartbrakers in the 70s, 80’s, and 90’s – I never quit on them…even though the did not give a Rat’s Arse about me – that is the definition of a sport team fanatic – irrational devotion to a team…their team and speaking in terms like ‘we’, etc…
But, going forward I suppose I need to just focus on the NATS and come up with an exit strategy with the Sox. Yet, I find myself already musing about how the Sox will win it all in 2011…thus, you see my dilemma…but, my son and I already belittle the fairweather fans who we talk about showing up when the NATS are winners…even though it has not happened yet. Personally, I like the idea of fringe fans since it gives the team the revenues they will need to be competitive – see the PInk Hats in Boston for instance…but, until that happens I will cheer the team and then watch the Park fill and be happy when the Nats start to hoist Pennants over the Park….
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
The exit strategy is simple
You’ve grown up hating the Yankees. With the offseason moves, the BoSox are buying players just like the Yankees are. You now are rooting for the Little Engine That Might. It reconnects you to your struggling to overcome Red Sox roots and creates a new challenge of fandom that the heavily resourced Red Sox lack. Rooting for the Red Sox is no longer a challenge! They’re good and they’ll be in the playoffs unless major forces conspire against them last year. Rooting for the Nats brings out the better nature of your inner fan.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
well played Sir, well played
Meet the New Boss -same as the Old Boss
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Anyone still want to argue that the #redsox aren’t the Evil Empire 2.0 after acquiring two $140M-plus guys in the same week?
I have to say that whenever I consider that
I remember 2004 and how great that felt. Nothing beat calling my grandfather the next day tontalknabout the game, since he was 10 months old the last time the Sox had won.
Although as states above, I really have come to live rooting for the Nats and now I would say each team holds equal spots in my heart.
by The Herndon Kid on Dec 9, 2010 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Still a Mariners fan.
But I went to well over 30 Nats games last season for three reasons. My office is very close to the park, tickets are super cheap, and if I didn’t go to Nats games then I would never get to watch baseball as I can’t exactly attend Mariners games.
So I root for two teams without apologies, and will watch whichever one is on (having an MLB.tv subscription and a girlfriend with cable allows me to do this). If there is a conflict, the best pitching match up tends to win.
People often give me a hard time about this split, and ask myself “what if they play each other? Huh? Who would you root for then? Huh?”
Answer: They are in different leagues. They will not play each other unless they both get into the World Series. It is the Mariners and the Nationals. They will never be in a World Series together. And the Mariners will never go to the World Series anyway.
Of course, they do play a few interleague games this season. So, I’ll root for the Mariners. But I’m still a Nats fan.
When the Yankees came to town I alternated jerseys
Yankees jersey one game (Zimmerman beat Wang with the walkoff HR) and Nationals jersey the other (the Yankees cruised to victory).
So yes, whichever team’s colors I was wearing that day … lost. Not that I had anything to do with it. :-D
Yeah, I thought about something like that for when the Mariners come here.
Still on the fence about the whole thing.
I saw some on the Subway with a Nats Hat and insert team visiting shirt or vice-versa
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Mix of Logos
I grew up a Met fan but have been in the DC area for along time. I used to stay if DC got a team I would go in on Season tickets. I want to see baseball succeed in DC. I usually see some the people wearing logos for teams other than the Nats or the visiting team at games. It is interesting to see the people wearing something with a Nats logo and some other team. Also families with parents wearing something related to another team and kids in Nats stuff.
For me it was coming home
For me as a kid in the sixties, I had followed the Pirates some (because my grandfather introduced me to my love of baseball by taking me to Asheville Tourists games and they were affiliated with the Pirates) and, of course, the Yankees… Mickey Mantle and all. But, at the age of 12 my family moved to the greater D.C. area and for the first time I got to go to some Major League ball games. I became a die-hard Senators fan. And as such, of course, I hated the Orioles. I followed the Senators closely, often listening to the games on radio as I did my homework…cheering for Frank Howard, Paul Casanova, Mike Epstein, Fred Valentine, Camilio Pasquale, and Joe Coleman. It broke my heart when the owners moved the team to Texas, and the seeming ease with which the local media switched their allegiance to Baltimore only made me angry. I would NEVER be an Oriole fan! And I haven’t been. In the years between I eventually went back to my childhood love of the Yankees, I gave my fandom completely over and was, of course rewarded and I still count myself a fan. But, when the Nationals brought baseball back to Washington, it was an easy switch. My home team was back! It was what I had longed for all those years. For me, it was coming home. I wholly recommend becoming a Nationals fan.
Stories like this make it easier every day to accept the loss of my Expos...
Thanks for the post. Constantly surprised by how many Sens fans turn up here.
Feel bad for kids these days for whom Dunn was their Hondo. Must be tough to lose your favorite. [Says a fan who’s still not over Vladimir Guerrero’s departure.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 13, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
My two boys.....
were deeply saddened by Donkey’s departure. My 12 year old’s favorite sports moment, was watching Dunn hit a Grand Slam to beat the O’s.
I can understand it
Rizzo really needs to be right on Werth and Dunn needs to be okay but not otherworldly in Chi-town or a lot of fans here will be regretful of us overpaying for Werth, but not keeping Dunn.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Especially when they still don't have a 1B...
Zim, Dunn, Werth, Hammer would have been fun for a year or two…
Can they trade for Dunn with the White Sox? Offer ’em a 27-year-old on/off talented starter straight up and see if they bite, Rizzo.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm an anti-bandwagon fan
I grew up in NY state as a Yankees fan. During their lean years, I didn’t follow baseball too closely. I also spent most of my adult years away from NY state. When I moved back to the DC area (for good?) almost 19 years ago, I was a lukewarm Yankees fan. When the Yankees finally made the playoffs again and won the World Series in 1996, I rooted for them, especially since they were actually the underdogs that year. (The Braves were the dominant team in the mid 1990s, and were favored that year.)
But then they started buying championships, piling on free agents from feeder teams (aka, teams like the KC Royals, Tampa Bay Rays and the old Montreal Expos). By the time the Yankees became the dominant team in MLB in 1998, I was no longer a Yankees fan. But since Washington didn’t have a team at the time, I didn’t find a substitute. I lost interest in baseball somewhat. I tried to follow the Orioles for a while but that was a half-hearted effort. I knew that the Orioles really weren’t the local team, just a cheap substitute.
I followed the attempts to move the Houston Astros here. Apparently the owner had a deal in place to sell and move the team to DC but Bud “The Car Salesman” Selig blocked the deal. In the early 2000s, I read about the troubles of the Expos and how they might move to D.C. and finally return baseball to the nation’s capital. So I started following the Expos from afar sometime around 2002 or 2003. I remember reading a Washington Post travel article where the writer was spending a vacation in Montreal. He took in a baseball game at Olympic Stadium. He wrote that the person in the ticket window suggested that he buy the cheapest seat possible, in the highest section of the stadium. Then he suggested that the writer wait for an innning or two, then move down to the section right behind home plate. There were so few fans at any game, that this was possible. The writer pointed out that stadium officials had to ask some fans to speak quietly. The stadium was so empty during games that everyone could hear every word spoken if a couple people were talking loudly. Strange.
So by the time that the Nats moved here, I was already set up to be a fan. I had been following the Expos for a couple years in the expectation that they would soon become Washington’s team.
And so here I am, a Nats fan. I haven’t followed any out-of-town teams for about 12 or 13 years (not counting the unsuccessful attempt to become an O’s fan).
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"Save it. I'm goin' for a smoothie."
The Washington Nationals, the team of the 2010s!
Good stuff.
Interesting twist on the “I was an Expos fan first” section of the Natmosphere. Were you able to go to the Andre Dawson game and what Expos do you connect to?
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
by souldrummer on Dec 18, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I never saw any Expos games in person
I followed them through the papers and later online. I mostly remember being frustrated when Vlad-in-his-prime left the Expos. I thought that if the Selig-Angelos connection hadn’t delayed the Expos move to D.C. for so long, that the organization would have been able to re-sign Guerrero to a long-term deal.
It’s also a bit sad to see former Expos stars and draft picks succeeding elsewhere, including Cliff Lee and Grady Sizemore. Interesting to see that the Expos drafted both of those players in 2000, in the 4th and 3rd rounds. That’s a pretty good draft, even if the no. 1 pick didn’t quite work out. But the Expos weren’t able to hold onto either player. I don’t know the circumstances but I’m guessing it’s related to the poor finances of the team during their Selig-Angelos-enforced limbo for a few years before the eventual move to Washington.
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"Save it. I'm goin' for a smoothie."
The Washington Nationals, the team of the 2010s!
That’s the infamous Bartolo Colon trade. Omar Minaya thought that contraction was likely and was determined to get a playoff run to sell the team at that time when it was being run by the league. Bartolo Colon rental for Sizemore, Lee, and Brandon Phillips, the trade that will live in infamy. It’s another reason to get mad at Angelos and Selig. If the Washington option had been considered before contraction, then we might have been able to take advantage of the Expos history instead of ending up with an essentially expansion team.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
by souldrummer on Dec 18, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Forgot to mention
Another reason why I grew tired of the Yankees was my a-hole boss at the time. I guess he was some small-town local baseball star, but he went to a Division III school and I’m not sure he even played college baseball. He was clearly on steroids and/or stimulants. Something was not right upstairs and he certainly exhibited ‘roid rage very frequently. He was also a big Yankees fan. (And a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. And probably a Los Angeles Lakers fan, but I’m not sure he followed basketball that much. Fairweather fan and complete bandwagon fan, like a little kid.)
He would frequently boast about the Yankees as though he had been personally responsible for their success. As far as I know, his closest adult connection to baseball was playing in local fast-pitch softball games on the Mall. LOL
I have to admit that I was rather pleased to see the Yankees choke several years ago in the series against the Red Sox. They were the highest payroll team in MLB history and yet they became the first MLB team to ever lose a playoff series after being up 3-0. I was also glad to see them fail for most of the 2000s, partly because of their practice of buying up known talent developed by other teams and partly because of my former boss, the Wild Man.
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The Washington Nationals, the team of the 2010s!
Great story. I hope that should we win, we can get a rep as a classier fan base than the Phillies and New York teams or even the ’Skins fans. Certainly, I take pride in not being a bandwagon fan for the Nats (as I probably am for the Caps), and hope that this will be a team that learns how to reciprocate the passion of its hardcore fans.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
by souldrummer on Dec 18, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Surprised you jumped off the bandwagon with the 1998 team
The 1998 team really didn’t have a lot of “free agents from feeder teams” on it. Most of the talent was home grown (the “core four” plus others like Bernie Williams, Ruben Rivera and Shane Spencer, "the Home Run Dispenser), acquired in arms-length trades (Tino Martinez and Jeff Nelson from the Mariners, for example, or Paul O’Neill from the Reds) or picked up off of the scrap heap (Scott Brosius, Chad Curtis, etc). That 1998 team was a great example of playing baseball the right way. In the “year of the home run” at the height of the steroids era they had no player with more than 29 home runs – but ten guys double digit home runs. They played great defense, smart baseball, and pitched. It really was a throwback team in the midst of the steroid madness. Even most of my Yankee-hating friends liked that team.
The Yankees didn’t start buying every free agent in sight until they LOST the WS in 2001. Classic Steinbrenner knee-jerk reaction, and it worked as well as his bright ideas usually did. It’s no surprise that most of the Yankee dominant eras in my lifetime can be directly traced to when George was limited in some way. He went to jail in the early 70’s and Gabe Paul built the Bronx Zoo teams; George was suspended from baseball and that enabled Gene Michael to put the farm system back together and created the teams that won five pennants and four WS titles in six years. As George faded out Brian Cashman has focused on rebuilding the farm system again – which is why I think that losing out on Cliff Lee may have been a lucky break for the Yankees. It hurts them this season, but I hope they are smart enough to let the kids they have in the minors (Montero, Brackman, Betances, Banuelos) fully develop.
(Yankee fan before there were bandwagoners)
Well, I guess I’m not distinguishing the Yankees recent history too carefully. There are many aspects to the skewed economics of baseball, including the fact that only certain teams seem to be able to hang onto their own players. In 1998, I quickly got tired of the brashness and cockiness surrounding that team and the fanbase. Probably more the fanbase, since I think the 1998 Yankees team had mostly low-key workman-like guys. (Maybe I’m not remembering correctly.)
I thought that my former boss had more to do with my change in allegiance but I didn’t start working with him until 2000, which I believe was the year of the “Subway Series” with the Mets. (Unlike the NY-based media, I was pretty underwhelmed by having a Subway Series. About as underwhelmed as ESPN and the NY papers would be over a Nats-Orioles matchup.)
In any case, it was a combination of factors that led me to grow tired of the Yankees. It wasn’t a sudden occurrence. I hadn’t lived in NY state for a long time. That played a role too.
It is funny that those champion Yankees teams of the late 1990s did not have brash, outspoken characters for the most part. Key players like Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte and John Wetteland (another former Expo who went onto star elsewhere! – completely forgot about him before) seemed to focus on playing, not being media entertainers. Maybe they were different behind the scenes. I don’t know.
It was also interesting that as soon as they picked up Rodriguez, they started choking, despite the overwhelming payroll advantage that the franchise had. It wasn’t until they bought even more free agents that they were able to balance out the negative effect of A-Rod. While he’s had a couple good postseason series since he signed the first mega-contract, he’s hardly been consistent, or a regular postseason superstar befitting a zillion-dollar contract. More mediocre/disastrous postseason series than spectacular ones from him. Maybe he needed to stop having affairs with himself.
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The Washington Nationals, the team of the 2010s!
Oh, I totally get the "tired of the fan base" bit
Bandwagon fans have a sense of entitlement and a lack of perspective that irritates me, and I’ve been a Yankee fan for nearly 40 years. The bandwagoners also tend to be the “we need to sign EVERYONE we want, everyone should be on the Yankees!” crowd. Blech. I’m happy that Mauer is with the Twins (for example).
A-Rod is a lightning rod. I’m no apologist for him, but OTOH I really think that he gets hated a lot for reasons that have very little to do with baseball. I don’t care who the man sleeps with (hey, if they’re all consenting adults I couldn’t care less) or what picture he has hanging in his apartment. The A-Rod hater crowd has almost managed to make him the underdog for me, so I was really happy that he essentially carried the Yankees to their title in 2009. I think attributing “choking” to A-Rod is pretty bad – why not hang it on Mike Mussina, or Jason Giambi?
For that matter, I don’t really ascribe “not winning the WS” as a “choke.” Sometimes the other team is simply better, or hotter, or what have you. But your mileage may vary, and I’m OK with that, too. :-)

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