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Washington Nationals: Spring Training 2010: Choose Your Own Adv...Starting Rotation.

When I was putting this final Spring Training 2010 preview together, which was to look at the 2010 Nats' Starting Pitching, following looks at twenty-ten Washington Nationals' remaining Position Battles and the make-up of the Bullpen, I came to the conclusion that the only two pitchers "guaranteed" starting spots, barring any unforseen issues, were lefty John Lannan and right-hander Jason MarquisMLB.com's Bill Ladson added Craig Stammen as a third starter along with Lannan and Marquis in an article on the Nationals' pitching heading into Spring Training entitled, "Nationals put emphasis on pitching", and Mr. Ladson wrote, "If the Nats don't acquire a veteran starter, look for Collin Balester, Matt Chico, Ross Detwiler, J.D. Martin, Garrett Mock, Scott Olsen and Stephen Strasburg to compete for the final two rotation spots." Washington Post writer Chico Harlan predicted a rotation consisting of Marquis, Lannan, Scott Olsen, Stammen and Ross Detwiler Monday in an article entitled, "Your official spring training 25-man roster prediction", provided Olsen can return from shoulder surgery, and Detwiler can pitch his way onto the roster with a strong Spring. MASNSports.com's Ben Goessling came up with the same starters as Mr. Harlan in a post last week entitled, "Pitching staff projections, mine and yours", listing Lannan, Marquis, Olsen, Stammen and Detwiler, while acknowleding that after the first two it's completely dependent upon how each pitcher performs this Spring. 

I picked Garrett Mock to emerge from the pack to earn a spot in one set of predictions I was asked to provide recently, though thinking about it since then I've wondered whether or not Mock might thrive working in the bullpen with the likes of Brian Bruney and Matt Capps, but aside from thinking Mock could actually emerge as a starter again, I figured that any preview I wrote would fail to provide any new insight into what we'll have to wait until the end of Spring Training to know, so, instead I thought I'd put it to the collective wisdom of the Federal Baseball.com reader...

Over the next few hours, while we all wait to see who wins the Brian Bruney v Nationals arbitration case, I'll update the Federal Baseball.com official starting rotation predictions based upon the results of the voting below. Assuming it's John Lannan and Jason Marquis atop the rotation, who's going to earn the third spot in your 2010 Nats' Rotation:

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Washington Nationals 2010 Opening Day Starting Rotation: 1) John Lannan - LHP 2) Jason Marquis - RHP 3) Craig Stammen - RHP 4) Ross Detwiler - LHP 5) VOTE BELOW For the Nationals' 5th Starter. (ed. note - "Sorry, forgot Olsen last round.")
Scott Olsen -LHP
70 votes
Miguel Batista - RHP
10 votes
J.D. Martin - RHP
27 votes
Stephen Strasburg - RHP
35 votes
Collin Balester - RHP
27 votes
Shairon Martis - RHP
18 votes
Shawn Estes - LHP
6 votes

193 votes | Poll has closed

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2009 mlb Wins 9 pitchers= 25
  1. Craig Stammen – RHP 4
  2. Miguel Batista – RHP 7
  3. Ross Detwiler – LHP 1
  4. J.D. Martin – RHP 5
  5. Stephen Strasburg – RHP 0
  6. Scott Olsen – LHP 2
  7. Collin Balester – RHP 1
  8. Shairon Martis – RHP 5
  9. Shawn Estes – LHP 0

by The Mamba on Feb 17, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

You have the perspective of a 6 year old.

2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early to for the Nationals to erect a statue to Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."

by PerryMason on Feb 17, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF

Why are you wasting our time with your crap?

by Berndaddy on Feb 17, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, Ed I'm having a bad day but this chump a-- punk isn't helping any!!!

Mamba (here) = JayB(elsewhere) = Peric(whatever/where ever) = Cheap chump a— punks with no insight but penty of crap to fill my inbox. I know this is the worst team in baseball. I know the old GM was full of himself and a whole bunch of other nasty things. I know building a team takes time. I understand some people want the process to go faster. I know that prior to 2005 I dreamed there would be a team in DC. Not the O’s. Not my father’s Cards. A team in DC !!! The alternative to rooting for a last place team is rooting for no team at all. BUT breaking down a team before real adults have had a chance to build it back up is just plain stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe in the plan that Rizzo is putting into effect. I may not understand all the permutations, acquisitions and baseballifications etc and continued hoopla that goes behind the plan at any giving time but I trust there are baseball minds shooting their synapses as fast as physically possible to make this a better team to watch. In the mean time I watch, listen or read baseball finally here in my home town of DC. Do I want better? Damn skippy i do. Do I get pissed off at the higher uppity muckity mucks on 1/2 St? Damn skippy I do. Am I grateful there’s a team in DC? YES, si, da, yea, ahuh…. How about you?

by Berndaddy on Feb 17, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to apologize...

As someone who’s watched a directionless mess of a team for most of the last 30 years, even a hint of direction is an improvement, and I think there’s more than a hint that Rizzo knows what he’s doing…why else would all the execs that joined DC this season leave positions elsewhere around the league.

Once Bowden’s spell over the Lerners was broken and an adult GM was inserted, I think the team’s been headed the right direction. Free agents signed, Rizzo got Strasburg signed when I think Bowden would’ve blown that he did Crow (crow’s fault too, I know)…

In Rizzo We Trust. (And though one tweet about this was sarcastic yesterday, I really do mean it. I liked Rizzo before he ever came to DC.)

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 17, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I’d rather see:
Lannan
Marquis
Stammen
Martin
Detwiler
(any combination of the last three over one including Olsen, tbh) I think let Chico, Mock, Olsen, Martin, Detwiler, sure Strasburg too, compete for the final two…I see Martin and Detwiler coming out which makes me happy.

by StrasburgSavior on Feb 17, 2010 1:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Detwiler's winning so far...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 17, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is everyone so up on Martin?

Control, yep I get it, but his stuff just isn’t MLB.. Please educate me cause I don’t get it.

Mark me down as one of the only people who likes Olsen BTW.

Starting pitching for opening day

Marquis
Lanan
Stammen
Detwiller
Olsen ( Maybe Mock or Chico or Balester or someone who is not Martin)

by Berndaddy on Feb 17, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

Yep

That’s my starting five. Olsen’s health and the order (after Marquis and Lanan) remain to be seen, but as of right now based on what I saw last year, that’s who I’m going with.

2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early to for the Nationals to erect a statue to Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."

by PerryMason on Feb 17, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I discussed this with Dave from NNN briefly...

I think Martin and Stammen overachieved last season, wouldn’t be surprised if they fell back to their personal norms this year…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 17, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Detwiler could use some more grooming, but wouldn't complain about watching him learn in DC...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 17, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I love Olsen

But only because the Verducci effect scares the crap out of me. Olsen definitely needs to be in the rotation this year.

by docholliday3 on Feb 17, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Okay, I give. What's the Verducci effect?

2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early to for the Nationals to erect a statue to Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."

by PerryMason on Feb 17, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

From Baseball Prospectus:

The Verducci Effect:

“Named for Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated, this is a negative forward indicator for pitcher workload. Verducci, who called this the ‘Year After Effect,’ found that pitchers under the age of 25 who have 30-inning increases year over year tend to underperform. Will Carroll independently found that pitchers who break the “Rule of 30” tend to get injured. Carroll renamed this ‘rule’ the Verducci Effect in honor of the man who initially found the evidence."

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 17, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

How relative is the verducci effect...really?

Nowhere does verducci include things like winter/spring ball or cape cop leagues for college players. Baseball players pitch and when you are major league talent, you are likely to find teams in the offseason as well AND play/pitch

so I am skeptical of the verducci effect.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by Bsullivan on Feb 17, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never looked at the data they collected...

I’ve just heard it mentioned before and looked it up…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 17, 2010 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He recently had a sit down with Victor Rojas aboot it.

The video’s on MLB.com…

http://mlbnetwork.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7168623

May as well give it 5 minutes…but you have to sit through a gladiator commercial. They discuss Pelfrey’s 2009 as he was on the watch list…and in 2010, King Felix, Josh Johnson and Porcello.

by RoscoeNats on Feb 17, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I'll be. Thanks!

2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue to Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."

by PerryMason on Feb 17, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I expected more from Olsen on the mound...

Maybe it was all the injury though, I remember reading questions about his decreased velocity before he left Florida, so hopefully the surgery will get him throwing hard again…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 17, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I know this will sound crazy but...

I’m hoping Olsen kicks butts and is traded when Wang and Strasburg come up. Nothing says you’re getting better than a good “tradin’ ’em away”

by Berndaddy on Feb 17, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The 3 if rule scares me on that one. But sure, why not. Tis the season!

2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue to Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."

by PerryMason on Feb 17, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Blind Faith Gnats fans.....

YOU PEOPLE, always WRONG with your “You Can’t Be Serious” expectations, made those two 100 loss seasons …all the more exciting and fulfilling….. .Thank you very much.
PerryMason
RoscoeNats
Berndaddy

by The Mamba on Feb 17, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Vaffanculo cazzo!

2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue to Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."

by PerryMason on Feb 17, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you mean, "You People?" (you know like Robert Down...ah forget it...)

This sort of discussion is going to go nowhere good, Mr. Mamba. If you’re looking solely to rile people up you can accomplish that elsewhere…though I’d prefer you stay and actually contribute to the discussion.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 17, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

If it's any help, I took a poll around my place.........

.
And here’s your Nats’ 2010 starting lineup…..

   I think I count three crafty veterans and two rookies….

" I was just poking the universe to get things started..." -E. Chigliak, Winter 2009
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Feb 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

What's #3's take on the rotation?

I’m assuming he’ll be the Opening Day Starter?
The shy ones worry me a bit…could go all flop sweat Hanrahan on us, you know.
And the second one from the right? Looks too much like late season Ray King to be any more than a LOOGY…but , perhaps, a good LOOGY.

by MissB on Feb 17, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the big one goes by the name, "Guardado"......

  #3 likes the kids, ‘cause they don’t look like they pack up the post-game spread to take home for later….

" I was just poking the universe to get things started..." -E. Chigliak, Winter 2009
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Feb 17, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What leftovers after #3 hits the spread?

The kids look like they need more seasoning in Syracuse or maybe Potomac.
For sure #3 and Every Day Eddie will claim dibs on all the food.

by MissB on Feb 17, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Eddie better watch that those fat little fingers don't get mistaken for plump sausages as he reaches in...

" I was just poking the universe to get things started..." -E. Chigliak, Winter 2009
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."

by cat daddy3000 on Feb 17, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Ed, finally.

I’ve noticed this guy on other blogs, and it’s exactly the same thing:
too much CAPSLOCK shouting, same flaming anyone who isn’t The Mamba who thinks he’s the only Geenyus in the universe, same gibberish that adds nothing but ugly noise.
It’s not interesting, informative or worst of all, amusing.

by MissB on Feb 17, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Up on Martin

Berndaddy,

Here’s why I voted for Martin:
-He throws strikes
-He works fast (which is important with an infield 50% composed of Guzman and Dunn; they need to stay alert. Delay seems to allow their minds to wander.. along with errant ground balls)
-He doesn’t get flustered and start overthrowing when the other side gets a hit, unlike Mock and others who seem to lose all sense of perspective after every base hit.
-Rizzo likes him.

by Sec314 on Feb 17, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

I second that

He did well as a rookie for the Nats when they needed him. That counts for something I would expect. Martin was improving with every game he threw. I’m sure the cool demeaner and more experience at the MLB level will make JD a great pitcher.

by Richard Perrine on Feb 18, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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