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Washington Nationals: Spring Training - Behind The Plate.

The start of Jesus Flores' 2010 season will no doubt be delayed by his recovery from surgery on both his right shoulder, where Dr. James Andrews repaired a torn labrum, and his right elbow, where Flores had arthroscopic surgery to remove a bone chip, but the 25-year-old backstop, who played just 29 games in 2009, is in camp and throwing according to MLB.com's Bill Ladson, who describes the first meeting between Flores and future Hall of Fame catcher Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez on the first day of workouts in Viera, Florida's Space Coast Stadium in an article entitled, "Pudge, Flores bond on first day of camp", where Mr. Ladson writes that the 38-year-old Rodriguez's, "...job is to be a mentor to Flores, who is considered the team's catcher of the future."

The reference, (by Mr. Ladson admittedly, and not the team), to Jesus Flores as the "team's catcher of the future" struck me as odd in light of the fact that earlier in the winter DC GM Mike Rizzo had said, in an interview with DC GM Jim Bowden of all places, that the two-year deal with Pudge Rodriguez, which many in the media questioned, would give Washington, in Mr. Rizzo's own words, as quoted in Washington Post D.C. Sports Bog writer Dan Steinberg's article entitled, "Jim Bowden interviews Mike Rizzo", a, "...timetable to get our other catching prospect, Derek Norris, into the big leagues." 21-year-old backstop Derek Norris, an '07 4th Round pick who hit .286 with 30 doubles, 23 HR's, 84 RBI's, a .418 OBP and a .513 SLG at Class-A Hagerstown in 2009, seemed then to be anointed as the Nationals' "catcher of the future."

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I asked MASNSports.com's Ben Goessling in an early January email interview if he thought Jesus Flores was in danger of missing his chance to make a significant contribution behind the plate in Washington with Pudge Rodriguez signed for two years and looking to play somewhere around 70, 80, 90 games a season while Derek Norris, Sean Rooney and possibly even Bryce Harper loomed on the horizon as backstop options in the nation's capital and Mr. Goessling agreed that there appeared to be a shift in the team's thinking this winter:

"Ben Goessling: This, to me, might be the most interesting development of the offseason. When Rizzo started referring to Norris as the catcher of the future at the Winter Meetings, it didn't seem like a slip-up; I got the impression there's been a shift in the organizational philosophy that now has Rodriguez and Flores keeping the seat warm until Norris is ready. I'm not 100 percent sure they draft Harper, or if he stays a catcher in the event they do draft him. But I do think they're high enough on Norris and expecting enough out of Pudge that Flores, at the very least, isn't guaranteed to be in the picture anymore. There are some interesting implications in all of this for Flores, as well as how much success the Nats can claim for putting young pieces in place thus far."

The comments in the Winter Meetings Mr. Goessling refers to were recorded in an article at Nats320 by SBF entitled, "Mike Rizzo Side Session Concering Pudge Rodriguez", where the Nationals blogger quotes the DC GM stating that, Derek Norris, "..is an up and coming and potential significant contributor for us in the future," and according to Mr. Rizzo, it was, "...no coincidence that Ivan is signed to a two-year contract," since the Nationals, "...believe Norris is two years away from contributing in the Major Leagues." 

So who is the Nationals' catcher of the future? Accepting of course that such labels are a creation of writers and fans, and not necessarily a meaningful distinction in any way, if Pudge is signed for two years in which he'll play 70-90 games splitting time with a healthy Jesus Flores hopefully or Wil Nieves if necessary, is the plan to then have Flores and Derek Norris split time behind the plate once Pudge is gone, when Flores will 27 or 28-years-old and Norris 23-24? Rodriguez, Norris and Jamie Burke are the only catchers listed as being in camp with the Nationals now, along with the injured Flores. Aside from Sean Rooney what other depth do the Nationals have in the system behind the plate? How will the backstop situation in the system influence Washington's decision on possibly drafting Bryce Harper this June? Who is the Nationals' catcher of the future?

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I'd like to know who else is in camp.

Surely the Nats have more bodies in camp than what is on the roster/and the two invitees. Flores will give way to Norris.

It is a great question to ponder. Will the backstop situation in the system influence the Nats to take Bryce Harper in the draft? I hope not.

Why not us? Why not now?

by Expos4 on Feb 22, 2010 5:12 AM EST reply actions  

Harper's been playing 3rd an CF at CSN...

Don’t know if his position matters at all with that bat, though scouts are already pointing to flaws in his swing too…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 22, 2010 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

List of people in Camp for Expos4

Full list of “official” non roster invitees is here: 16 in all.
http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/team/roster_nri.jsp?c_id=was

but yes as you said, this doesn’t list the likes of chuck James and some others that are down there. Perhaps we ask someone on the ground (Ladsen? Zuckerman?) to do a full list.

by ToddBoss on Feb 22, 2010 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

I forgot to mention Nieves when I asked...

But Ladson added Devin Ivany to the list of catchers in camp with Pudge, Burke and Norris…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 22, 2010 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who is the catching future/

Its clear from that the I-Rod acquisition and the Nieves tender that the team doesn’t think Flores will be ready any time soon. He’s only played 198 games in 3 years. I think the point has been reached with him and his proclivity to injury that the team is looking elsewhere for the future. As they did with Hill and Patterson (both gifted when healthy but undependable) they’re looking onward. If we get to a position with both Flores and Norris healthy in camp then we trade or convert one of them.

Btw, spring 2012 might be a bit optomistic for Norris’ arrival. He just played a full season in low-A. You have to think his progression goes like this: high-A in 2010, AA in 2011, then he’ll be on the 40-man but perhaps blocked by Flores or another veteran for full time playing time so he starts 2012 in AAA to play. This all assumes that he continues to hit, doesn’t get hurt, etc.

Harper in all likelihood if drafted in June is also doing at least 3 full seasons in the minors, and its arguable whether he stays behind the plate. Odds are that he continues to grow as he ages and becomes too big to catch effectively. He’s set to be a right fielder with the best arm in the game.

by ToddBoss on Feb 22, 2010 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't think Harper would stay a catcher in the Nationals organization...

The Nats have too many good options at this point. Thankfully, if you can play catcher, you can play pretty much anywhere else, at least according to position difficulty. He’s got a great bat, and I think that’s why he’ll be drafted more than anything else.

by John Quinn on Feb 22, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

If Harper can throw a 90+ fastball he probably would have a great OF arm...

The estimation on Norris’ arrival was Rizzo’s though what you suggest seems a more reasonable progression…

I really wonder about drafting Harper no.1 overall when he’s so young…who knows what he’ll be 4-5 years down the line…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 22, 2010 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Harper won't be a catcher...

for much longer, I bet. He’s big and still growing and if Norris gets his defense in order, I think you’d want to save Harper’s legs from the wear and tear of the tools of ignorance. If his bat turns out to be as great as it appears, he could get to the majors much faster in RF than behind the plate. Norris is stuck in A-ball because of how hard it is to be a MLB-caliber defender behind the plate.

To answer your question though, I see Norris as the CotF and Flores as trade-bait once he’s healthy and Norris is ready. But it’s nice to have both right now since ’12 is so far away.

by rfk428 on Feb 22, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Norris' D

it’s quite debateable that Norris stays at catcher. in an interview I did with the GM of Vermont last season, I asked him what he thought Norris’ MLB position would be. he started to answer and then laughed it off, saying, “Catcher, of course.” Norris’ footwork behind the plate is still very raw. would not be surprised to see him moved.

i wouldn’t worry about “catcher of the future”. you can never have enough catchers. but it does speak to why the Nats really want to get Flores back in there, since he is credible defensively AND can hit.

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by Dave at District Sports Page on Feb 22, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

More interested in the catcher of the present

To me, it’s irrelevant about this whole catcher of the future debate. Norris is years away and has to work on his defense a lot. He was behind the curve defensively for low A pitchers and made a ton of errors. Pudge is weak hitting. Flores hasn’t stayed healthy. Nieves is not ideal even for a back up role. Sean Rooney may sneak up on the field after a solid season last year and be a credible late season call up. Part of the fun of spring training is dwelling in the present and letting the competitive process shake out. Right now, catcher seems to me to be a weak spot unless Pudge improves his production or Flores stays healthy. But we’ve increased our odds that one of those two things will happen at least.

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by souldrummer on Feb 23, 2010 2:10 AM EST reply actions  

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