Washington Nationals: Jim Riggleman vs Pitchers...Is There An Issue?
Washington Nationals' Skipper Jim Riggleman has apparently decided to openly confront his history of issues with pitchers this Spring, conducting several interviews recently in which he's discussed past managerial experiences in Chicago and Seattle, some of the regrets he was left with, and how they'll shape his approach to handling the twenty-ten Nats' staff. Since he ascended to the top spot on the bench last season, replacing Manny Acta as the Nationals' manager, Riggleman's been asked by DC writers about his handling of former Chicago Cubs' ace Kerry Wood, (who was drafted with a suspect elbow and forced to undergo Tommy John surgery within a year of his MLB debut in 1998), as they attempt to predict how Riggleman will handle '09 no.1 overall pick Stephen Strasburg once he's brought up to the nation's capital.
In Washington Post writer Chico Harlan's 2/22/10 article entitled, "Nationals Manager Jim Riggleman regrets Kerry Wood's workload in rookie season", Mr. Harlan noted that the then-21-year-old Wood, "...threw more than 120 pitches in a game," in nine of twenty-six starts during his rookie campaign, during which he pitched one complete game and threw a total 2,840 pitches over 166.2 IP in which he collected 233 K's (12.6 K/9). "I think if anything that I learned from it, having to do it over I probably would have pitched Kerry less," Riggleman told Mr. Harlan, continuing:
"At the time that we had Kerry, my recollection of any criticism I had was 'Why did you take him out of the game?' After the fact it's 'Well, you pitched him too much.' "
Kerry Wood responded to Mr. Riggleman's comments...
Kerry Wood responded to Mr. Riggleman's comments in a ChicagoNow.com Kap's Corner blog post by Comcast SportsNet's "Chicago Tribune Live" and WGN Radio's "Sports Central" host David Kaplan entitled, "Kerry Wood Says Riggleman Did Not Misuse Him", in which Mr. Kaplan writes that he called Wood to ask his opinion of his former Manager's comments. Mr. Wood's response:
"'Wow, I hadn't heard his comments and I really don't agree with that. Look, I had bad mechanics back then and it was very hard for me to try to correct them when what I was doing was working. I remember many times thinking that I wish Jim would leave me in the game because I still felt strong."
In an article by Seattle Times' sports writer Larry Stone entitled, "Checking in with Jim Riggleman and John McLaren", which examines the repairing of the former Mariners' skipper and bench coach in reversed roles in DC two years after Riggleman replaced McLaren on the bench in Seattle, Mr. Riggleman says he has regrets about his time as the Mariners' interim manager which he had hoped to correct (had he been given the full-time gig) that were left unaddressed when he was passed over for the job. Mr. Riggleman explains to the Seattle Times' writer that in hindsight it was relationship issues with his pitchers and how he handled them that caused him the most concern:
"Riggleman said a big area of contention was what he termed 'coming out of the game issues -- when I take you out of the game. They weren't on board with me on some of those decisions, a lot of those decisions. Taking them out early is generally what it is. They want to stay in the game, and I want them to want to stay in the game. It's hard to put it into words, but it was almost like they didn't trust me, and that's a bad feeling. I've never felt that anywhere that I've been. I hope I don't feel it again, because your starting pitchers are your most important thing. As a manager, if you feel like you've lost that connection...as bad as that season was, I didn't want it to end. I felt, I'm going to get it right. I'm going to reach these guys. I felt I had to find a different way to reach them, and I was hoping to do it the next season. New start, mend some fences. But it didn't happen."'
If Mr. Riggleman has any regrets from his time as the Nationals' interim manager last year, he's getting the chance to address them this season, and he'll have a second shot at handling a can't-miss-pitching-prospect twelve years after his first experiences with Wood in Chicago. How much of what happens with Stephen Strasburg this season will be in Riggleman's hands? Will DC GM Mike Rizzo oversee a "Joba Rules"-like plan to control Strasburg's development? What influence will veteran backstop Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez have on the Nationals' potential future ace? Riggleman will also have Davey Johnson, who managed Dwight Gooden early in his career in New York, to call upon for advice about handling Strasburg, who Riggleman described as being, "off-the-charts-good" during his second bullpen session this Spring in an recent article by Washington Post writer Thomas Boswell entitled, "Nats' Rodriguez terms Strasburg 'amazing'.
It's going to be a season of second chances for Jim Riggleman in the nation's capital in 2010.
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Almost A No Win Situation...
First, I think Jim has learned his lesson, and will handle Stras completely different. I think that in Chicago, he was slightly swayed by public opinion and felt he had to pitch Wood more than he truly should have. As for Strasburg, I don’t thing it truly matters what Jim and Rizzo do. Anything short of a winning season, they will be criticized with how they handle Strasburg. If Stras gets eaten alive, he was brought up too quickly…..if he starts in the minors and burns through three levels to get to DC, and is successful, he was brought up too slowly. If he starts in DC and has a wonderful season, but the Nats still have a losing season, the Nats wasted a season with him (in regards to FA). Hopefully, this veteran front office will be a little less swayed by public opinion.
The first sign that the DC Front Office isn't swayed by public opinion will come...
When they send Strasburg and (possibly) Storen down to start the season…
Strasburg’s going to be under a national microscope all Spring and especially when he’s ready to make his debut…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
It seems like teams are much more aware of young pitchers and pitch counts and inning counts than they were even 10 years ago
And also the Cubs seem to have had the reputation of riding young arms hard (or am I making that up?). I think that even if Riggleman wanted to, he wouldn’t be allowed to pitch Strasburg the way he did Wood. Oh, and, Strasburg is the new MAN OF STEEL!
Strasburg gets a yellow "S" instead of a curly-W..,
They’re too careful these days….Luckily Nolan Ryan’s bringing tough guy pitchers back…Speaking of Nolan, did you hear what Pudge said…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 9:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the Cubs got the reputation of riding young arms...
partially because some Cub fans blame Riggleman for Kerry Wood’s arm problems. As Mr. Wood said himself, he had some poor mechanics that contributed to his problems. There is also talk that his high school coach overused him in games and damaged his arm before he even arrived in the big leagues.
Then when Dusty Baker managed the Cubs, many Cub fans were convinced he overused Kerry Wood (again) and Mark Prior. Never mind that Wood had plenty of problems before Baker arrived in 2003 and Prior turns out to have had a few mechanic problems in addition to being rushed to the Major Leagues without more than a handful of minor league starts.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
The recognition
of this as a weakness on his part is a good thing. If a man who does not see his own faults than we know what will result in his failure. Jim should look at this and let it tell him a few things.
He needs to be up front with his pitchers, and try and make sure that the pitching staff and coaches are all on the same page. If you have ever had a boss come to you and say “this is what my weakness is in terms of how I will manage you, but here is my strength” It makes a world of difference, especially if it ends up being true. I have had that with bosses, it builds loyalty.
More than a few players have sung Riggleman's praises...
With Dukes the most recent example…And any Skipper who can’t recognize their own faults would probly have a hard time recognizing others’ faults…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Look no further than the redskins
and former coach Jim Zorn for proof of that statement. Thats the truth in all sports.
Riggleman was in a no win situation in Chicago
Riggs had to win in Chicago, or he was gone. He would have been run out of town if he pulled Woods on pitch count and the Cubs’ pen blew the game. A decade later, everyone looks at the pitch counts, but doesn’t put in perspective the situation of the day. By and large, Riggs didn’t really have a choice but to use Woods the way he did in Chicago. With the Nats, he isn’t under any pressure to win the world series. Here his job is to develop the young arms. I’m sure he will change his approach to meet his new goals.
Inside the numbers at natsstats.wordpress.com
i hope everyone's trust in the Riggler is justified
i guess i’m just the voice of gloom and doom. call me eeyore. my wife does.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Feb 25, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions
Trust the Riggler, nevermore Eeyore!!!
I’m still sure they are going to find a big name replacement for Riggleman this winte…it’s too late isn’t it?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm uh......apprehensive regarding the Riggler, yet I hope I'm not justified in that feeling...
Not screwing around with the lineup would go a long way to start…
" I was just poking the universe to get things started..." -E. Chigliak, Winter 2009
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
by cat daddy3000 on Feb 25, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I hope my trust in him is justified too
I thought the team responded to him well… so why change.
I admit I didn’t follow him much before so all I have to go on is what I saw last year… plus
a buddy of mine in Chicago who’s opinion I respect didn’t have anything bad to say about him.
Just out of curiosity who did you want to see as the new skipper?
2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue of Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."
I was hoping to see someone with a strong grasp
of sabermetrics, but founded in an old-school mentality of respect, dignity and integrity. I’d have loved to see Kirk Gibson get an interview.
of course, I liked Manny. his hands were tied so much more than the nut jobs that post on Nats Insiders could ever know.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Feb 25, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sabermetrics
Is that the job of the GM?
You wouldn’t argue that Riggleman doesn’t have an old-school mentality or lacks dignity and integrity would you?
Is that “liked Manny” in the past tense?
What do/did you like him?
2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue of Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."
I meant "isn't" that the job of the GM?
2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue of Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."
the manager should have a good grasp of what winning baseball is
meaning, not giving up runners, not bunting unless absolutely necessary, not running into outs. getting men on base and driving them in. knowing when to let your players play and when you need to help them.
i was not knocking the Riggler’s dignity or integrity. but i do think he overmanages on offense. all the plays he puts on; the hit-and-runs, the green lights, the suicides…it’s too much for my taste. Riggleman is a known quantity, he’s had two winning seasons in 10 opportunities.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Feb 25, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't want to share this anecdote cause it seemed mean-spirited....
And that’s not my thing…
BUT…
Two Sirius/XM announcers were going through the list of NL managers the other day and deciding if they were “old school” or “new school” based on their acceptance of the new era of statistical analysis, saying Tony LaRussa was new school, Fredi Gonzalez “new school” Jerry Manuel “old school” then they got to Riggleman and said, “No school.”
Not nice…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Right now the Nats are an easy target. If and when they start to win if he’s still around he’ll be a genius who knows how to push all the right buttons…
2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue of Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."
Over managing
Who wouldn’t give the impression of over managing when taking over for Manny Acta?
If managers were Generals Acta would be George McClellan.
Let’s hope Riggelman is Grant. I’ll drink to that!
2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue of Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."
And...you with the Kirk Gibson...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
i won't give up
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Feb 25, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Heh...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
That Rafael Martin news is all official now...
Off to transcribe a Riggleman ESPN appearance…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
McCatty's a factor, too
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is that the pitching coach, Steve McCatty was one of the four really good pitchers on the circa 1980 Oakland A’s who were ruined by Billy Martin’s overuse and abuse of the staff. Having been a victim of it himself, how likely is he to let it happen to Strasburg?
Section 405, Row C, Seats 1 and 2, for 1/4 season Plan B
McCatty is definitely an old-school guy
his style of coaching really concerns me. players love him because he allows them to pitch to their strengths instead of forcing them to a distinct doctrine.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Feb 25, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Let Bally throw his fastball high!!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't heard one person express anything but good feelings about McCatty and the changes he made when he replace The Saint (Randy St. Claire)...
Then again, they didn’t say anything bad about St. Claire until after he left…with all his new-agey use of video…what was St. Claire thinking…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Come on please !!!!
Trust Riggles? Don’t trust Riggles?
Let’s have this conversation in June. I will say this though if a man doesn’t learn from previous experiences, phooey on him, but how can you say anything against him of he hasn’t been given a chance to manage from Spring training on. These are his systems from day one. His coaches from day one….Let what happened in Chicago stay in Chicago with Soriano, oops did I say that….hehehe
Gnats don't need another PREDICTABLE & mindless robot for a manager !!!!!!
They already suffered through the incompetence of 1predictable & mindless robot.manager…..who managed using the “Managing for Dummies” book..rather than by experience and instincts.
Time and again…….
-If the starter was even lucky to get that far, he’d sit in the dugout and count pitches ad nauseum…. and hook the starter when he gets to pitch XX…PERIOD !
He’d Go on mindless auto pilot and YANK a set up man who just impressively retired the side 1-2-3 on say 6 10 pitches…..to be sabotaged by the next guy….again and again !
To
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Time and again...
)) < > ((
Forever’
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough I guess but
who in particular do you have in mind?
2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue of Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."
I'm just going with non-sequitor responses at this point...
That was like a ransom-letter-made-with-letters-cut-from-magazines edition of the Mamba’s vitriolic spewing…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 25, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Danny Boy, Danny Boy....
You will never change, will you Danny Boy. Have you purchased your season tix yet? BTW….looks like your TarHeels are TarAints this season. Are you also pounding them endlessly on their websites?

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