Washington Nationals: Sources Say Orlando Hudson To Twins.
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 1:53 PM EST
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PrintHot off the Twitter press, MLB.com's Bill Ladson just reported that it appears Orlando Hudson will be heading to Minnesota where he'll play second base for the Twins instead of signing with the Washington Nationals as has been rumored for the last several weeks. Mr. Ladson's Tweet:
"I just learned from a baseball source that 2B Orlando Hudson will not play for the #Nats. He most likely will play for the Twins."
In a follow up to the original note, which no doubt disappointed some members of the DC Faithful, MLB.com's Bill Ladson explained that, "the deal is almost done with the Twins," and in yet another Tweet, Mr. Ladson said that the reason it didn't work out between the Nationals and Hudson remained their disagreement over the 32-year-old free agent second baseman's value:
"What happened between the #Nats and 2B Orlando Hudson? They were far apart on money."
It will be interesting to see how close the Twins actually come to the $9 million per Hudson was reportedly looking for, since most media reports had the Nationals unwilling to go above one-year and $3-$4 million. But now the big question for the Nationals becomes what to do about their middle infield situation. Adam Kennedy, whose defensive numbers last year were less than impressive, is not quite the defensive upgrade DC GM Mike Rizzo was supposedly searching for, so do the Nationals just go ahead and take a chance on Ian Desmond's being ready for everyday action in the major leagues in spite of the fact that some faction within the Nationals' front office obviously thinks he's not quite ready?
What should DC GM Mike Rizzo do now?
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Big news.
Wow. I guess it comes down to Kennedy at this point, but I’m not convinced he’s going to be that much better than what the Nats have right now, based on his past defensive numbers. The Nats can’t go into the season with what they have now, though, so I have no idea what they’re going to d…
Agreed, need something more than Alberto Gonzalez as a backup option should Desmond falter...
Or should Guzman continue to struggle with injuries, and sorry as much as I like Willie Harris, I don’t think he’s a legitimate infield option…(not that you said that, but you know)…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
i would rather have Adam Kenedy has the back-up to Desmond than Gonzalez
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Gonzo had every chance to solidify his role last year and never did...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
No more upside for The General?......No more DY Wave from firstbase????
aw, man….
" I was just poking the universe to get things started..." -E. Chigliak, Winter 2009
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
by cat daddy3000 on Feb 4, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
General and Desmond need to learn the rules...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So I’m a Twins fan, so I’m thrilled by this news, but why is noone talking about Felipe Lopez? I mean you are all jumping on Kennedy and other options, but what about Lopez? He is close to Hudson’s level of play and cheaper…
He was dumped for dogging it here.......really bad attitude....was called FLop...
" I was just poking the universe to get things started..." -E. Chigliak, Winter 2009
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
by cat daddy3000 on Feb 4, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
July 31, 2008: Released by the Washington Nationals.
Couldn’t even trade him……
" I was just poking the universe to get things started..." -E. Chigliak, Winter 2009
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
by cat daddy3000 on Feb 4, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, I guess so. Like I said, I am a Twins fan, so knew nothing of the bad blood. Point taken I guess…lol
the sorry thing about it is that he's played pretty well in other places.
JUST NOT HERE !!!
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of course
we were far apart on money, i dont care who he is or what he has done there is a reason he is still a free agent, no way i would of payed 9 million for hudson. You know i would be willing to give Desmond a shot at everyday playtime time. but that have to slow with him cuz we all remember the fiasco with Watson a few years back
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions
No way on $9 for Hudson, if the reports are correct, I think Rizzo played this just aboot right...
$3-$4 was the going rate right now, but from Hudson’s end it would’ve been a 50% pay cut, so I can understand his view too…
Why did you have to bring up “00” Watson? heh. Let Desmond, Adam Kennedy and Guzman share the duties? As a few people have noted, Kennedy’s defense was pretty poor according to most advanced metrics, I’ll trust Rizzo’s judgement on this one though…
Buster Olney just tweeted it’s still between Minnesota and Cleveland, FYI…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Don't do ANYTHING!
While it would be nice to upgrade in the middle infield, it should depend on where he wants Desmond….in the bigs or in the minors. If he wants him in the big leagues, then they should not be signing any additional players until they get rid of Guz! And the only way to get rid of him is to either cut him, or trade him. The only way they can trade him is if he plays and is healthy.
Young team, you have to let some of these players develop.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
You're on Dave from the NNN's side...I've talked (tweeted back and forth) with a few other people...
…whose opinions I respect who say Desmond needs to work on D in minors before coming up for good…Don’t really think Kennedy’s the big defensive improvement Rizzo’s looking for though…
Interested to hear what you all think….
Will be checking in on phone periodically…
Working on a piece about Jonathan Mayo’s 2010 Draft projections, more of the “If Not Bryce Harper” series….plus I asked Mr. Mayo via Twitter if he thought as of right now that the Nationals would take Harper no. 1 overall and he actually responded…more on that later…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Please don't sign Adam Kennedy, Rizzo......
Just need a 2B defensive backup for Guz……and Guz backs up Ian at SS……. if bad things happen, then cross that downed bridge over a massive flooding river when it happens…
" I was just poking the universe to get things started..." -E. Chigliak, Winter 2009
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
by cat daddy3000 on Feb 4, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
U know my view. Desmond!
Even Ladson liked my tweet on a Espinosa-Desmond combo. ;) but I’m all for grabbing Kennedy cheap for backup. I think this was a decent deal – $9m for a one year 2b doesn’t make sense when ur not a contender. Sorry mamba.
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by Mezza on Feb 4, 2010 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is off topic
but how do you change your profile name? i would like too and dont know how.
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions
Send a note to support@sbnation.com
Or send me an email with the new name you want and I can get it done for you :
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
THANKS
i wrote a note to there contact us page at the bottom of their front page
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
My Brother Scout, Braves Fan and Source For All Things Baseball's response:
“Excellent coach, taught Giles to play 2nd from scratch…
Think Hubbard taught Gant too, though-check that fact…will check options….."
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Skins4ever?
But only until the name change.
I’m not busting your chops too much (I can’t – I have season tickets to the ‘Skins. Club seats, God help me). But the irony can’t be beat :-)
Oh well. I think that we might as well try Ian. I think that he deserves the chance, maybe sign Kennedy and see how he does and at least that way we have depth. Have Kennedy and Desmond fight it out in Spring Training. I don’t think that Kennedy is worth picking up though. This may be the reason why Los Angeles let Hudson go. Wants more money than loyalty. I just don’ t think that he reads markets well. Maybe the Twins will prove me wrong.
Why not Uggla?
So if the team cannot land a strong defensive second baseman, why not trade for Dan Uggla? The Marlins continue to show little interest in Uggla, and they are headed for arbitration. I say go for more offensive power…
but we need both a defensive 2nd baseman and offensive but i want the defensive one not uggla.
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Uggla just re-upped in Florida...
Not that means he can’t be traded…after these Hudson rumors came out, Ladson tweeted that we shouldn’t rule out Rizzo making a deal…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
for who?
is there a really good viable free agent out who we can trade for without trading prospects?
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I've spent the last 1/2 hour trying to think of one...
Nothing yet…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wanted Stephen Drew from AZ when they mentioned possibly trading him months back, buy that never happened either...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LET DESMOND PLAY!!!
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Feb 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But we still need a back up
Guzzy’s shoulder isn’t 100%, we’ll need someone at 2nd the back up Desmond if he has to go to SS, right.
i'm concerned
that if they sign Kennedy, Riggleman will be too tempted to open camp with the veteran at second and Guzman at short.
my point is that unless Desmond gets hurt, he should play every day regardless of performance. he’s not going to break down into badness of historic proportin, so just let him play, without the spectre of having a veteran free agent signee sitting on the bench.
besides, Kennedy stinks.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Feb 4, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Bruntlett, Orr and Gonzales are enough back up?
I’m not trying to be mean, I asking seriously..
I don't.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
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by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no chance
Orr is a minor leaguer at best, and Brunlett is a ok back up at best
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I just looked up Bruntlett's Fangraph figs and...
… Holy Dunn-key doo batman, he sucks at 2nd and SS…his projected WAR figs to be -1.4 … and his bat is a waste of Dunn-key doo to boot (no Canadian wonderific words there I promise)
Bruntlett is terrible with the bat..
but his flexibility at playing a bunch of positions is why they brought him in.
the big concern to me at this point is that Guzman’s shoulder still isn’t right. if we get into spring training and he can’t go, or needs another scope, the Nats are in a world of hurt (not that having Guzman healthy is any great shakes, either).
they might need to bring someone in at that point, cause none of Bruntlett, Orr or Gonzales should play full-time.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Feb 4, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I believe Rizzo's got to go with Kennedy.
MLB bat with iffy glove for sure but hey what can you do…his 2008 figs look completely different than 2009 with his glove BTW. What’s up with that?
Smiley
Is Smiley Gonzalez an option?
by Chazz Micheal Micheals on Feb 4, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions
After the way he tore up the GCL you'd think right?
I wonder what happened to him??? ;)
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Last I heard of him he was back in the Dominican Republic...
Don’t see him on the Nats Farm Authority’s Big Board anymore either…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 4, 2010 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He bought the farm...
No he’s hasn’t met his maker. He growing sugar now!!!
I made this up. Who knows what’s up with this dude…He didn’t play will for his age, either one.
Just when the Lerners .....
can make a statement , that after 2 laughingstock…….Keystone years as the WORST team in baseball….“We’re sick and tired of it..and don’t want to be a league wide joke anymore”……BUT….they once again (assuming this was all about $$$)…….stay stuck and paralyzed on their Gnatstown toilets…. No surprise here !!!!!
With Suspect and Not ready for prime time Starting Pitchers.......
……shoring up the middle defense (catcher ss-2b cf) was ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED to cover their a******…… CF is ok..C a maybe …but middle infield is still a scary UNKNOWN……
Pour acid on me, throw me into traffic and kick me in my special place...
I thought snake had no hands to write with, right ?
If only we could use the Mamba for good, not evil
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by Mezza on Feb 4, 2010 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Orlando
Can’t believe the Nats let the cheapo Twins outbid them for Hudson, Maybe they can coax Jose Vidro out of retirement. He’s not in a wheel chair yet.
Honestly I'm not that upset
He would have been nice to have, we gave him a reasonable offer and he turned it down. Good for him. No reason to overpay for a 30 year old second basemen.
Now lets focus on getting kennedy to a smart deal.
My hope: Desmond at Short, Guzman/Kennedy at second
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Twins To Sign Orlando Hudson
By Tim Dierkes [February 4 at 10:44pm CST]
10:44pm: Minnesota has agreed to not offer Hudson arbitration if he is a Type A free agent, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal also tweets that the deal includes no incentives.
10:07pm: The Twins are set to announce that they have signed Hudson to a one-year, $5MM deal, according to Christensen. Minnesota has issued a press release confirming the agreement.
" I was just poking the universe to get things started..." -E. Chigliak, Winter 2009
Mezza: ''Are we there yet?'' ...Roscoe: "In baseball hell? Yes we are."
by cat daddy3000 on Feb 5, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a Twins fan myself...
I’m very surprised that we were able to sign Hudson for $5 million…didn’t the Nats offer him $7-$8 million
I think Rizzo topped out at 3.5 million-ish plus incentives.
He wanted way more and I think he gave the Twins a discount so he could make the playoffs and play in sweet new Target Field.
willing to PAY TO PLAY!!!!!
Every time any sought after player has no interest playing for the reigning WORST team in baseball …the Gnatsozoids trash the guy…he’s a lowlife…he’s a money hungry pig…what ever…..REALITY CHECK, the Gnats are YEARS away from competing in the NL EAST…YEARS…. and these kind of free agents are NOT coming here especially when the team makes an insulting $$$ offer to a guy being courted by the reigning AL Central champion/ contender going into a new stadium and obviously willing to PAY TO PLAY!!!!!…. A concept foreign, so far, to the LERNERS….
Just Curious ...
What kind of life does a person have to lead to spend their leisure time spewing vitriol on the internet? Read a book, watch the snow fall, enjoy life TM. Everyone will be happier, including you. Just a suggestion.
Reality Check
I’ve been doggin Hudson since day one and I’ll continue to do so, I’m glad the Nats didn’t ink him. You keep refering to “Pay to Play”, but are you familiar with the concept of overpaying? For what the Nats are trying to do this year, $5 mil for Hudson would not be worthwhile.
We’ll just wait and see how many years away the Nats are to competing in the NL East. I say, not many!
Why not us? Why not now?
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