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Washington Nationals Decide Elijah Dukes Not Right In Right.

Jim Riggleman? MASNSports.com's Ben Goessling wants to know if Elijah Dukes is the Nationals' starting right fielder and whether or not the 25-year-old outfielder is due to have the sort of breakout season some are expecting in 2010? In hindsight, Mr. Riggleman's answer in that January 18th interview appears somewhat cautious as he tells Mr. Goessling as quoted in the resultant article entitled, "A Q-and-A with Jim Riggleman", that he doesn't, "...think there's any reason (Dukes) can't," put together a successful season, "But again," the Nationals' Manager continued:

"..that's all talk at this point. (Hitting coach) Rick Eckstein continued to work with him and make progress at the plate. He did some pretty good things. Any player who's his age, they're working toward the prime of their career, age-wise. He's going to be hitting his stride."

In one month, 4 weeks, 7 games and 20 at bats in which he was 3 for 20 with 2 doubles, 2 walks and 5 K's, Elijah Dukes went from the presumptive Opening Day Nats' right fielder, to being a player who "...just isn't good enough to be an everyday right fielder in the majors,'" as Yahoo!Sports.com's David Brown summed up Mr. Riggleman's conversation with reporters in an article entitled, "Nationals release Elijah Dukes, though nobody's quite sure why". Mr. Riggleman's own words, as quoted by Nats Insider.com's Mark Zuckerman in an article entitled simply, "Elijah Dukes Released", are less succinct:

"'Players now and then fall into that category of: they're regulars in the big leagues. They're not bench players. And they're not Triple-A players. They're either going to play for you in the big leagues, or they're not going to be on the team. They need to get their at-bats as a regular, rather than coming off the bench.'"

Star-divide

While the Nationals went to great lengths to make it clear that the decision to release Elijah Dukes this morning was a baseball decision, it didn't help the public perception of the move that the Former DC GM Jim Bowden decided to chime in from the left coast with a message via Twitter shortly after the announcement, which read: 

"After latest incident, credit Nats for making the right decision. They told him zero tolerances and followed their word."

The Nationals' team President, Stan Kasten, took it upon himself to respond, indirectly of course, to the rumors of "an" incident leading to Washington's decision, releasing a statement via the Twitter arm of the Nationals' PR machine (@NatsTownNews) which read: (just kidding @NatsTownNews):

"Stan Kasten: "I know of no 'incident' as it pertains to Elijah Dukes and his unconditional release today."

and

"Stan Kasten continued: "People who are saying this don't know what they're talking about."

Ouch. Shortly thereafter, however, MLB.com's Bill Ladson spoke to DC GM Mike Rizzo who told Mr. Ladson, in an article entitled, "Expected starter Dukes released by Nats", that it was a decision that the Nationals made only after careful consideration and upon concluding that they, "...just didn't see the progress we hoped to get," from Dukes, but immediately afterwards, (or at least in the next paragraph), Mr. Rizzo's quoted as stating:

"'The things that happened in the clubhouse are clubhouse matters. We are not going to go into any details on what happened behind closed doors. We have a more cohesive, united group. I think the chemistry will continue to be great. We think we are going to be a better ballclub moving forward.'"

What things that happened behind closed doors? How did Elijah Dukes affect team chemistry?* And why is Justin Maxwell quoted in the same article saying, as Mr. Ladson writes, that, "...the team had distractions with Dukes, but (Maxwell) wouldn't say what they were. However, he is looking forward to getting a chance to show what he can do on the field." What distractions?

Whether or not there was one particular incident which caused the Nationals to make this decision, as Mr. Bowden asserted and both the Nationals' President and GM denied, or whether it was a series of incidents or distractions, or whether it was the fact that the oft-injured Dukes was already experiencing issues with his feet this Spring, whatever it was, the Nationals handled this in a way that lent itself to conjecture. There was no hint of this move before it happened. And when it did, (happen), the way it was announced, coupled with Elijah Dukes' personal history combined with Mr. Bowden's ill-timed interjection to imply that there was more to the story than the team was letting on. Whether or not there was.

Dukes' reaction to this all? As reported by Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore (@AdamKilgoreWP) via Twitter:

"Dukes to AP: "No big deal, no hard feelings."

(ed. note - " * = Former Washington Post Nationals beat writer Chico Harlan was nice enough to agree to an email interview last summer, and I took the opportunity to ask Mr. Harlan if the rumors of Dukes' "presence" in the team clubhouse being a problem had any validity, Mr. Harlan's response seemed relevant, and worth revisiting."):

FB: There's been considerable talk about Elijah Dukes' presence in the clubhouse, and considerable coverage of how he's been handled by the Washington Nationals, can one player, not even just Dukes in particular, really change the whole tone of a locker room?

Chico Harlan: "You might think 25-man clubhouse sounds big, but it’s actually quite intimate. Nobody hides in a clubhouse. And for sure, Dukes has a presence — a physicality, an intensity, a desire — that makes him all the more visible. To be sure, though, Dukes doesn’t change the "whole tone" of the locker room; it’s not like the place would feel like some day spa if he were gone. Dukes doesn’t have many friends on the roster, though."

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"No big deal, no hard feelings."

Dukes looks like the classy one so far… Of course, I’m not real crazy about this development, so I may be biased. So, think Marquis gets his ERA under 20 by the end of Spring? Spring training stats don’t mean anything…

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3

by Doghouse on Mar 17, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Dukes does indeed look like the classy one.

Something about this development reeks. I so hope that Dukes can find another baseball home soon and I’ll still be a F.O.D!

Marquis is DEFINITELY NOT looking like a savior at this point. He’s making BallyStar look like an ace. Ouch.

by MissB on Mar 17, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dukes was "rarely" if ever a problem, at least publically while he was in DC...

And he leaves the same way. Tough year for Dukes. I’m still pulling for him to sign on somewhere and have a good season…Think we can safely say the Mets won’t go for him, unless they release Figueroa…(Please don’t sign on in the NL East Dukes)…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 17, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rob Neyer on Dukes
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/2772/how-history-will-consider-nats-dukes

Im still wishing him the best – but also wishing Jmax, etc much more.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 17, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

does ANYONE know anything

“Marginal difference between Maxwell and Dukes”

no, not even close.

Justin Maxwell has had 129 MLB PA, he dosent exist yet, as far as MLB is concerned.

by martins on Mar 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the intangibles. ;)

Special shoutout to Austin “I cant hit” Kearns.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 17, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forget where I read it or if it was Neyer (I'm eating dinner and don't want to look it up):

But someone said today that Dukes got released because of his overall demeanor, meaning he wasn’t producing what they wanted and had a bad attitude, and the author offered Kearns as an comparison saying he stayed on in DC in spite of his struggles cause he was good in the clubhouse, a great teammate etc. …

Once again, with all his baggage, I’d take Dukes over Kearns and his sunny disposition any day…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 17, 2010 11:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was Neyer

You’re going to hate me saying this (and dont choke on your dinner). But I see this like a Patterson, Hill…more than a Milledge. I hope Dukes works it out and becomes a good player. But if you looked at his stats – he isnt a great player now.

Ill concede that there isnt much replacing him…but if he is a pain in the butt in the clubhouse. Then Im not sure why people is upset that he is going.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 18, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

who says he has to be great? he has the potential to be very good, if he ever got a chance-which he never did?

by martins on Mar 18, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess 750 plate appearances weren’t enough? It’s more than some get.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 18, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously?

is that a serious comment? He never got 500 PA in a season and had a very good 08… has a 13% walk rate career and is a bit better than league average career (107 OPS+) even with a terrible 09. That dosen’t seem like potential to you?

by martins on Mar 18, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it is

Im sorry…maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning… but show me some kind of evidence that he “has the potential to be very good”?

If this is based on the fact that he is big, strong, ‘athletic looking’ than this is a ridiculous argument. he’s had 824 major league ABs.

He’s never performed in both the majors and at a minor league level to a very high standard.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dukes-001eli
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dukesel01.shtml

So politely, where hell does this ‘potential’ come from?

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 18, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

"show me some evidence that he has the potential to be very good.

His 2008 season? His 13% career walk rate? Do you really need more than that from a 25 year old who has less than 1000 major league PA?

He had a 127 OPS+ in 2008. Never performed at a high standard?

by martins on Mar 18, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

politely

You should research more before you condemn a guy like that.

by martins on Mar 18, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have

He has a -0.7 WAR last year
He has -9.6 UZR/150 last year
He had a 11.1% BB% last year
He had a 20.3% K% last year

You quote his 2008 stats based on 334 PAs while I quote his 2009 stats based on 416.

I thought he could be a regular RF. But not at the cost of team harmony which was what my now lost point was above. But your suggestion that he had the potential to be very good based on 2008 stats and a walk % alone isnt enough to convince me…or it turns out Rizzo or the Nats.

So um, yea… done some research.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 18, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

so...

Hes not allowed to have one off year?

even with That, his BB% was still good..

(k rate is irrelevant)

Are you really trying to take me to task on the 82 more PA he had last year? Really?

Take a step back, think about it. He has had two seasons (neither of them full) One was very good, one was very bad. The real guy is likely somewhere in between.

My only argument is the guy deserves at least one full season at this level. Is that really too much to ask?

by martins on Mar 18, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish he would have gotten one full year

with a manager who didn’t openly loathe him (cough-Acta-cough).

He’s been dealt so many bad hands in life…and I know MLB teams aren’t designed for players’ redemption. I just wish he would have been given more time.

Please, oh please, somebody sign him and give him a REAL chance.

by MissB on Mar 18, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a personal level – I think the kid is pretty impressive. He could easily be in jail by now and im shocked he has got where he has… ive never had the breaks he has had in life so i dont really understand. I think a lot of people, me included, hopes he works out.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 18, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

(cough, cough)...Mr. Zuckerman said something similar...

When someone asked if Cleveland would quickly snatch him up…he said Manny was not a fan to paragraph…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 18, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean really

not everyone is evan Longoria… Dukes is a guy who has clearly shown some potential.. His career isolated discipline is 107.

(Just for a frame of reference, anything over 100 is incredible Mark Texeria’s is 88)

If you don’t like him, fine. But to say he hasn’t shown potential is absurd.

by martins on Mar 18, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

firstly, I do apologise if i was gruff – but I think its also worth looking at across a spectrum.

I actually dont deny that he is somewhere in between and that’s roughly what Bill James, et al. Although I disagree in some parts – I think he DID have a full season last year – but through injuries and performance was sent down (i guess its definitional – I thought he had a full season opportunity – rather than a statistical full season).

My point about the PAs was that one can quote stats that suit them. But I think that Dukes has not performed to a level that by any standard is considered a very good success. Now its fair to say that he hasnt had heap of time. He might have fallen somewhere in the middle…he might not have either.

So in that context, I dont think he’s allowed to have an off year if his team mates hate his guts…. no. There is a reason people pu tup with Bonds, Manny etc…and its because they are/were ridiculously good at what they did. Dukes isnt that good to be an issue on the team.

If you looked at my comments here and in the other thread – I think he probably will catch on somewhere but I dont think hes going to be a guy that all of a sudden is an All Star. That was my point.

I think a lot of us were hoping hed have another year. But clearly the team felt he wasnt going to be the player we wanted.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 18, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

no apology necessary

we are talking baseball, sometimes it gets heated, it happens.

The full season thing is not a subjective definition. The reason you want to give a player as many at bats as possible is because that is the only way to get a clear picture of who the guy really is. Your standard season is about 2-300+ (on average) more PA’s than Dukes has ever had, and it dosent seem fair to me.

I wasn’t trying to cherry pick stats to suit my purposes. You pointed out that I was judging off less PA’s. And I, in turn, pointed out that the difference between the two numbers was negligable in baseball terms.

If you don’t think posting a 127 OPS+ in 08 is having success, I guess we just have different ideas about what having success is.

In any case, don’t worry about it if the conversation gets a little hot, tommorow we’ll be friends again. :)

by martins on Mar 18, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think at the end of the day we want what is best for the Nats and Dukes. And there ant much wrong with any of that :)

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 18, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess this is why the Nationals dropped...

…him with 3 weeks before Opening Day. I fell asleep for a few hours and woke up to read this, great stuff.

No game tomorrow…what to do, what to do…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 18, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I spent two years...and before that following Dukes in Tampa before the trade...

Did Dukes regress?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 18, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

What I do know is that I didn’t expect more from anyone left on the roster that can play RF than I did out of Dukes this year. But if they’re giving up a .260-.270 AVG ,10 HR’s and 60-70 (of those 3-letter stats you’re not supposed to discuss anymore) from a player they had no interest in bringing back after this year, than maybe it was better to give him a shot to go somewhere else…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 18, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dukes needs a job though

I hope he finds a home in the AL and smashes the ball.

Tough bird, he’s been through a lot lately.

Why not us? Why not now?

by Expos4 on Mar 18, 2010 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the Nationals are getting a reverse-Marquis who'll struggle early and improve? Ugh...

Marquis, Capps, Walker…Bruney? The improved bullpen’s looking iffy, and the new ace is getting hammered? 72 wins?

Stats don’t count, the ability to throw strikes and avoid walking the bases loaded and give up 5 runs per outing are rather important however…regardless of the date…

Please not another 100-loss season…please?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 17, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Capps and Walker

Capps might take us fans on a ride like MacDougal did last year. I’m still not sold on Walker making the club. I say cut him Logan Kensing style.

Why not us? Why not now?

by Expos4 on Mar 18, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Daniel Cabrera

Was cut today by the Sox, are the Nats blowing up his cell phone yet?

Just kidding of course.

Why not us? Why not now?

by Expos4 on Mar 18, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone out there's going to think they can fix him...St. Claire again?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 18, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

96 mph fastball, 7 mph brain

gold from Zuckerman I think.

"I love, love, love John Lackey." -- Graysnail.

by Mezza on Mar 18, 2010 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he throws hard.

Too bad he just can’t find the strikezone.

You hear any news out of Marlins camp. Will Dougal make the team, or get shipped to Minnesota? What I hear, is the Twins are eyeing Frasor or staying in house.

Why not us? Why not now?

by Expos4 on Mar 18, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

If memory serves...

Marquis can be shakey in ST. Things should improve in regular season. Sorry about losing Dukes too.

"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain

by brook on Mar 18, 2010 8:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i think

now with the release of super dukes…i think ian desmond will be come the ultimate super sub a la mark derosa with the cubs….desmond’s bat needs to be in the lineup and riggles has already tried him in the outfield….this leaves depth without having to carry morse…it also gives the nats an oppurtunity to display guzman to potential bidders before the trade deadline and also give guzman a day off with desmond without effecting i-des’s at bats…i am going to miss dukes because I believe he could have been an important part to this team and its future….

by Bryan Webster on Mar 18, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Thats what I was thinking

Gives Desmond a place to play until Nats can get rid of Guzman

by timnanna on Mar 18, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Guzman's going to be 100% by Opening Day...

But either way, I want Desmond at short in Washington or Syracuse. That’s the sane thing Rizzo told the WaPost’s Thomas Boswell in am article recently. I don’t want Desmond in the OF. If you want him at short or second in the future, playing him all over the place will do little for his development…but I do want him in the majors…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 18, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Desmond's bat won't play in the OF, esp in RF.

Desmond is a shortstop. keep him there.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at Nats News Network on Mar 18, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry Desmond,

The lesson you’ll get to take from this spring is hard work doesn’t pay off…just because you’re the best middle infielder and came to spring ready to snatch the starting job away from Guzman…the ball club is playing the big contract.

by RoscoeNats on Mar 18, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same lesson the Storens and Strasburgers are gonna learn...

Hear that, Kids. Hard work does not pay off. Wish someone had told me that when I was younger…(hehehe)..

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Mar 18, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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