Top 3 Stories From The Washington Nationals' 13th Spring Loss.
1. Drew Storen's Got Plus Plus Toughness...
Hours after he'd been told he was being sent to Minor League camp along with his fellow '09 1st Round pick Stephen Strasburg, (and then to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania where he'll pitch for the Double-AA Senators for a month or two before getting a call up to the nation's capital, where both pitchers are expected to debut at some point in late May or June), the 22-year-old former Stanford Cardinal closer Drew Storen was called upon to pitch an inning of relief for the Washington Nationals in their Spring Training game against the visiting Florida Marlins, and Storen pitched a quick 1-2-3 inning, retiring infielder Donnie Murphy, who flew out to left, first baseman Logan Morrison who K'd swinging, and outfielder Bryan Petersen, who popped up to first...That's what you want from a future (flat-brimmed?) closer...that and the 96 mph fastball MASNSports.com's Ben Goessling says he was throwing...
2. Tyler Walker Proves He Can Work Scoreless.
Alright, technically, it was the second scoreless inning the Nationals' reliever's thrown this Spring, but in his other 3.2 IP, the 33-year-old right-handed former Mets, Giants, Rays and Phillies' reliever's given up 17 hits and 12 ER...(that's a 19.06 ERA)...though he's recorded 5 K's. Walker's got $530,000 reasons to try to make the Nationals' Opening Day bullpen. The 1-year/$650,000 dollar deal he signed with DC on January 18th, is a "split contract" which will pay him $120,000 in the minors...
3. The Nationals' got their first look at Cristian Guzman's arm in a
pressure situation...
...And it got the entirety of NatsTown talking. MLB.com's Bill Ladson twittered during the game that he was, "...alarmed by the throw #Nats SS Cristian Guzman made in the second inning. The arm is not strong for tough plays," and Mr. Ladson followed up on the Tweet with a blog post entitled, "Nats' Guzman gets first test vs Marlins", wherein he quoted Nats' Skipper Jim Riggleman's thoughts on the play, a grounder to Guzman's right by the Marlins' Donnie Murphy, which Guzman fielded and fired wide of first, pulling Nats' 1B Adam Dunn off the bag:
"'The ball to his right, it looked like Guzman was thinking, 'I'm not going to air this ball out.' For whatever reason, he didn't want to let it go and the result was not a good throw,' manager Jim Riggleman said."
MASNSports.com's Ben Goessling wrote in his own post-game report entitled, "Nats vs Marlins: Post-game thoughts", that, "Guzman's shoulder is the big takeaway from the game," and he quoted Mr. Riggleman as well, who says that, "...he doesn't envision any scenario in which Guzman isn't with the Nationals come Opening Day," but promises that the veteran infielder's shoulder is going to have to be tested in the upcoming weeks as Guzman and underdog shortstop candidate Ian Desmond do battle for the starting job come Opening Day...But don't tell Guzman he's in a fight for the starting SS job...
Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore's post-game article on the status of Guzman's surgically-repaired shoulder entitled, "The trouble with Cristian Guzman's arm", features a defiant 32-on-Sunday-Happy Birthday-Guz!!! infielder who says, (as Mr. Kilgore writes), that though Riggleman and Desmond might believe there's a competition for the SS role, "Guzman...still feels the job is his to lose," and to illustrate Guzman's thinking, Mr. Kilgore writes that, "...when asked if he needed to win the job," Guzman responded, "'No...It doesn't matter. I'm not in competition with him.'"
• Can someone show Guzman Desmond's stats from the last season and this Spring?
• The Nationals lost, 5-3, they play the Marlins again on Sunday.
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I read at least one story that opined that the Nats should teach Desmond RF and have him play there till Guzman’s yearly injuries send him to the DL.
Also, I hadn’t seen this Phil Wood story about Dukes and a similar situation with the O’s back in the day.
Stop that.
It’s bad enough when I joke about Desi in RF…
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
We're two weeks from the season and Guzman still can't throw to first base. Maybe this works out for the Nats.
Dunn's got a great reach, anyhow.
Now if we could just find him a sticky glove…
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
Willie Harris seems to be getting a lot of work in right...
Please no Desmond in RF. Please, Mr. Riggles…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Harris is a fine player
The outfield defense should be stellar even with Willingham in LF. I hope Harris and Maxwell split time. If we add someone from outside it should be someone young. Harris and Maxwell can give us fine production for the year.
I want Hammer in left, Morgan(of course) in center, with Bernadina backing both up and helping on D late for Hammer...
With Maxwell and Harris in right…if we’re totally sold on the no-Dukes thing? which I guess we are…so J-Max better produce and Harris will have to pick up the slack if not…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 21, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Hammer in RF
with harris and Jmax in LF. Hammer has a better arm than Harris.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
But Hammer's kind of shown an inability to judge flies in right...
He looked awful the few times they’ve tried it…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 21, 2010 7:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Guzman's not making any new fans, that's for sure...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless...........
Maybe he is deflecting. That is, maybe he is trying to be the “good teammate” by saying there is no competition or rift…I know it is a weak argument, but I like playing the “devil’s advocate”….
I thought the same thing, that he's saying it's not me vs Desmond...it's up to the coaches sort of thing...
Like there’s no personal rivalry, I’m just trusting the way Mr. Kilgore framed it in the article which had Guzman seeming defensive…
Definitely considered this though…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 21, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm all for the team being smart with it's money
but this Desmond/Guzman thing is one place I’m fine to eat the cash. If Guzman can’t throw, Desmond is ready. i just wonder what happens to Guzman if Desmond gets the starting job. DL? Trade? Cut? Backup?
I was amazed that Ben Goessling threw the "Cut" word out there yesterday...
That’s what prompted Riggleman to say that Guzman would be on the team one way or another, but he also said Dukes was the starting RF this winter…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 21, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Guzman as a pinch hitter? Fine with me. I wouldn’t think they’d cut Guzman until June or July if he’s clearly not able to play defense.
He can then go off onto the Bowden/Lerner retirement plan for bad players who got big contracts.
If any of these players cry about anything, don’t feel sorry for them. They are getting paid a fortune to play a game. Don’t compare them to other baseball players, compare them to you or your friends. I don’t have any friends who make 8 million dollars a year and if I did, I bet they wouldn’t be acting like babies. (This is not really all about Guzman but sports stars in general.)
Helps Desmond!! Which I believe is good for the Nats right now...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 21, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still not sold on Tyler Walker
I wouldn’t be surprised if Willy Tavaras makes this team.
Why not us? Why not now?
Not a Taveras fan...
Walker probably needs a real good two weeks if he avoids Mon/Tues cuts that are planned…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 21, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
no Tavaras PLEASE! he totally sucks with the bat.
granted he has good range an steals a ton, but his bat is useless even with the steals.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
Can we get another roster prediction thread?
I think Walker might not make the club. It sounds like a 500K decision. But I don’t think Taveras gets his spot. I think we know the 5 starters with Mock, Livo, Olsen. There should be 7 guys in the bullpen. We know Capps, Bruney, Clippard, Burnett. I think Stammen, Bergman and then Batista/Walker
I’m hoping for Maxwell and Bernadina in the OF.
I've always been a Stammen guy.
I want J-Max to put it together and I’d love to see him and Bernadina get regular playing time to see if either has what it takes. No offense to Willie Harris, but we know what he has and the Nats need to figure out their OF of the future for when that sweet rotation comes together.
We know the future left side of the infield. Trade or sign a 2B next year? Is Espinosa the real deal? Is Marrero going to be a good major league player in the future?
Don't knock Willie
He can play a little. He has 400 PA each of the last three seasons. So that’s like 2/3 of a season. And then check out his WAR 1.0, 3.0, 1.6 – So he’s solid out there not terrible.
But I totally agree. Figure out the OF rotation. Let’s see JMax and Bernadina. Can either of them be average big leaguers. But also the real way the Nationals mess up the team is to make some stupid signing or trade now. No need to go outside the organization now. Maybe this off season but let’s give Max, Bernadina and then the Harris a year. Frankly I’d like to trade Willingham. Put Harris in Left. Maxwell / Bernadina in RF. Or maybe you just trade Willingham for a younger OF to replace himself. Ed mentioned Schaefer…
Not knocking Harris…but the Nats must find a right fielder. If this rotation materializes, the Nats could actually contend for a wild card in 2011. I know, I may be nuts, but Guz will be gone, above average rotation, just buy a 2B and a RF and I guess we’ll know by then what Rizzo does with Dunn at 1B.
2011 - how about 2012.
Yeah add two pieces and to a good rotation next year and we may fight for the wild card. You’re not crazy. But the team would do much better to strive for 2012. Don’t build a possible Wild Card run based on guys like Pudge, Marquis, Dunn, (two years older than today by Oct2011). Even if you don’t think they will add all the production they will be a big part of the payroll.
Now think about 2012. It’s a lot of the same productive players without the dead weight. Zimmerman,Strasburg, Storen, Desmond, Plush, Espinosa, Zimmermannnnn, Norris, (Deck – for Ed).
All these kids will be cheap and there should be free money by not going for it in 2011. Think 2012. No Dunn. Let’s play some solid ball now because you don’t go from 59 to 90 but 2012 could be the start of something special.
Re: No Dunn
First Baseman that are scheduled to be Free Agents before right before 2012:
Albert Pujols
Prince Fielder
Adrian Gonzalez
Ryan Howard
At least two of these guys will be on the open market. If the Nationals are smart and stay away from Dunn one of these guys can have the contract offered to Teixiera.
Prince would be #1
In a lot of ways he is really the best fit. He is likely to become a free agent rather than resign with Mil. He’ll be 27 on Opening Day 2012. He hits the ball a mile and won’t be fazed be Nats park.
Adrian Gonzalez is another guy who should be considered. I think we know Pujols isn’t coming and Howard is a bit older.
The Nats will need to have open money to add one of these guys. Dunn really makes no sense because of what we can get if we just keep the savings for a year. Dunn is going to be even worse all around in 2012.
A last thing is that the price on these guys will be less than you think. The Yankees won’t be bidding with Teix. Ana has Morales. Det has Cabrera. Bos has Youk/VMart. STL probably keeps Pujols. And there are then 3 guys left.
I basically agree
except fielder is not going to age as well as the others do to his belly. So I would hope to sign Adrian Gonzalez (who is better defensively anyway).
Dunn was born to DH and should. I think he could make the HOF as a DH, but not as a fielder because as defensive stats improve and younger sportcasters take over for the old guard defvensive stats will matter more to voters. He is going to play 5-10 more seasons which means his HOF vote is 10-15 years off.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
I have a feeling one spring Prince Fielder will show up 30 or 40 pounds lighter.
His agent will convince him when it’s time because as you said, that gut will start hurting his play.
next years rotation should be above average if Wang comes back strong
Wang
Lannan
Olson/Marquis
Zimmermann
Detwiler/Stammen
Mock
Looks deep and very effective to me.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
Rotation is solid but let's be realistic
I think the 2011 rotation will be fine but 2012 should be better. Why?
Strasburg
Zimmermann
Lannan
are in both. I expect they will be better in 2012 than in 2011.
Then Marquis and Wang are around in 2011 but gone in 2012. We’ll they will be paying 5-6 for Wang and then 7.5 for Marquis. If the Nats spend that money on the 2012 rotation they can easily get the same production or even improve. Those guys are fine values but not steals. About what they are worth.
Then there is the potential that the RZO picks a college pitcher #1 this year who is up by 2012. Or maybe Mock/Detwiler are average starters by 2012. If that’s the case the Nats can consolidate the Wang/Marquis money into one starter. 12M could get a real quality starter. So imagine the 2012 rotation with
1.Strasburg
2.Zimmermann
3.Lannan
4.Mock/Detwiler/ 2010#1pick
5.12Million dollar pitcher Marquis+Wang 2011 salary.
Now that is a playoff rotation. It would be the same price as the 2011 rotation. Maybe Lannan gets a raise in arbitration but Mock/Detwiler/Deck will all be making MLB minimum.
Pen
Oh and Drew Storen closes for the league minimum both years. More likely in 2012 than 2011 just because the team could retain Capps for 2011 in arbitration. Either way he is on the team.
I think the 2012 plan is maybe a reason to pass Harper. He will be 19 years old. Even if it is a 4 year run (length of #37’s contract) Harper will only reach 23. If there is worthy college player at 21 years old I think the RZO might grab him. He’d be a year younger than Strasburg while Harper is 5 years younger
Free Agent Pitchers for 2012
Most of the big pitchers are around this offseason but I don’t know if the Nationals will really go after one a year early. Perhaps if Wang isn’t good and is getting cut for 2011. That would free up a spot and money. If they keep Wang and then spend the Wang Marquis money on 1 guy after 2011 it could be Matt Cain or Mark Buehrle (less than 12M)
I’d love to see them trade Dunn and spend that money on Becket/Webb/Lee/Javy Vazquez.
Then after 2011 they take the Marquis, Wang, Willingham money and add a 1st baseman like Prince Fielder or Adrian Gonzalez.
Add in the young nucleus that’s in place and plan to be in DC in October.
I love dreaming in March
You are nuts
this rotation is not above average. It is deep enough that it is probably average, but it lacks anything of significant quality at the top (assuming strasburg develop normally). Bell pen is not very good right now, so it looks bad for the regular season. Our infield defense is probably below average regardless of who plays SS. Our OF defense looks much improved, even outstanding but we have mostly goundball pitchers, so that helpsbut only so much. Lastly, our offense looks below average (better than 2008) if Pudge and Kennedy are in the lineup everyday.
Every team in our division is better on paper than it was last year. Barring a miracle, I expect at best 72-73 wins. A wild card would take at least 10 more wins.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
Our SP in the future looks quite bright but
I still question whether we can score runs consistently this season or in the future.
We don’t have many bats that make me think we have any future power hitters in the minors or in the majors (except Dunn)
By 2012 you won't want Dunn
I doubt he will be that great of a hitter by then. His defense will also be atrocious. Horrible.
And the Nationals do have some bats. Zimmerman is a stud at 3rd. Then Desmond or Espinosa should provide above average production by then. You have to include defense and those guys will be in their primes. Let’s just count on one of the two. The big piece should be Norris. Hopefully a stud at catcher or otherwise a solid and cheap bat in the OF.
So for 2012-2013 I expect above average production at 3B, SS, and C.
The team might still have Nyjer in CF. I think you are right that the team will need offense but they should have plenty of money to spend. They have no long term deals now and they should be able to buy good hitters right when they need them. The other thing to notice is that they have easy positions open. It’s easy to find a bat at 1B, RF, LF.
Having 3B, SS, and C filled is big.
So yes they will need to sign a hitter but not someone this season for a run that is 2 years off. Dunn belongs in the AL and even more so 2 years down the line. Instead they should be patient and add a first baseman after 2011. The options at Corner OF don’t come to mind as easily but maybe a trade, prospect, surprise. Norris could end up there with Flores at C

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