Washington Nationals: Mike And Mike And Bobby V On Stephen Strasburg And The Nats.
1050 ESPN Radio in NY's Mike and Mike in the Morning Show, with Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic, has been profiling each MLB team in a series of 2010 season previews called "Mike and Mike's Triple Play", which Tuesday took a look at three franchises: the Minnesota Twins, Texas Rangers and Washington Nationals, who share a common history going back over a hundred years in the nation's capital. The Nationals, who they note, were the worst team in baseball in 2009, (Were they?) have, "...made a lot of changes," one "Mike" tells the other, (as they list Washington's offseason acquisitions and additons like Jason Marquis, Chien-Ming Wang, Adam Kennedy, Pudge Rodriguez, Brian Bruney and no.1 overall pick Stephen Strasburg), who'll provide fans of the Washington Nationals with, "I guess, reason for some hope," in 2010.
Mike and Mike call upon one of ESPN's "top-level insiders", (and a one-time candidate for the Nationals' skipper position), Bobby Valentine, to offer his thoughts on what DC GM Mike Rizzo and Manager Jim Riggleman have to work with this season...
"Bobby Valentine: The new-look Washington Nationals headed up by Jim Riggleman and Mike Rizzo in the general manager's seat have made many changes to their team. They'll still be anchored with a "Zimmermann" [Jordan] on the staff and a "Zimmerman" [Ryan] at third base, who are outstanding players holding down a team that they're building around, and an addition of [Stephen] Strasburg, their no.1 draft choice, the no.1 of no.1's, is going to create excitement in the DC area, the Nationals League East and all of baseball. This is a young man (Strasburg) who pitched at San Diego State for Tony Gwynn, has that 100mph fastball, can throw a change up that's going to dazzle some hitters and has a nasty slider. He's ready. I believe he should be pitching for the Nationals. I think they should protect him, understand he's a franchise player, understand this isn't the year the franchise is going to win the pennant, but start putting fannies in the seats. Start letting a team build together, and have him there from the get-go, exciting people, striking people out and learning as he goes. This is one of the special ones and there's no time like the present to see him."
The Nationals' "Fantasy Sleeper"? Elijah Dukes, according to Mike and Mike, "...who projects to hit 15 HR's...has loads of talent, (and) needs to put it all together on the field." And Mike and Mike's "Accu-Score Over/Under" for the 2010 Washington Nationals? 71 wins, which both hosts believe will be a step forward for the Washington franchise. If reports out of DC yesterday are to be believed, however, they'll have to start the season without their no.1 overall pick, who'll be starting the season in the minors...or will he?
MLB.com's Bill Ladson wrote yesterday, in an article entitled, "Majors not ruled out for Strasburg", that the 21-year-old flame-throwing right-hander, who'll make his Spring Training debut next week against the Detroit Tigers, "...could spend some time in Minor League camp after a couple of Spring Training starts with Washington," but according to Mr. Ladson, the Nationals' Skipper, "...definitely didn't rule out Strasburg making the team's roster for Opening Day." Mr. Riggleman tells the MLB.com writer that the decision on where Strasburg starts the season is, "...going to come down to a philosophical decision more so than a performance decision," with Strasburg's fate decided by, in Mr. Riggleman's words, "...what is going to be best for Stephen Strasburg as an organization." (ed. note - "I think I know what he meant.")
MASNSports.com's Ben Goessling, in an article entitled, "Philosophically, sounds like Strasburg's going to the minors", quotes the DC Skipper Jim Riggleman further, explaining that Mr. Riggleman, "...looks at Double-A and Triple-A hitters, when it's the regular season and there's something on the line, as being a better test (for Strasburg) than major league hitters in spring training." Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore quotes 7-year MLB vet Eric Bruntlett, one of four players who faced Strasburg in live BP Tuesday, in an article entitled, "Today in Strasburg", supporting Mr. Riggleman's contention that it's tough to tell exactly what a pitcher has in Spring Training:
"'Getting into a game, let's see how you work hitters over and (how) his command is. Is he tight? Those are the type of things that start to matter more at the big league level."
Is it about what's best for Strasburg though? Will the decision on where he starts the season depend on what's best for Strasburg in terms of competition, or is it simpler than that, as Dave Nichols of the Nationals News Network wrote yesterday in article entitled, "Strasburg to Start Season in Minors a "Philosophical" Decision", where Mr. Nichols noted that, "...the decision to have Stephen Strasburg start the season in the minors is based on one primary factor: it will delay his arbitration eligiblity by a year and delay the date he can become a free agent."
The idea of holding a player out to "delay his arbitration eligibility" isn't a new one of course, the Nationals can point to the Atlanta Braves, who did the same with their top pitching prospect, Tommy Hanson, 22, (who actually had a better Arizona Fall League stint in 2009 than Strasburg did in 2010, and had already pitched for four seasons in the Braves' system), who didn't make his MLB debut last season until June 7th for the same reason. Baltimore Orioles' catcher Matt Wieters, Baseball America's No.1 prospect in 2009, was held back from making his MLB debut until May 29th. Will the Nationals do the same with Strasburg and their 2nd '09 1st Round pick, Drew Storen? Doesn't it actually make sense to ensure one more year with both pitchers before they can become free agents, especially for a team that's being built to compete in the future? Or do you want to see Strasburg start the season in DC?
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This one isn't even difficult
Definitely start him in the minors. No need to be impatient. If there is a change we can help him get better in some way before he comes up, fine by me.
It's a shutout so far...
I’m all for a barnstorming tour of the minors…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 3, 2010 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
The arbitration clock says it all.
There is no need to rush him, even if he is ready. Both Straus and Storen should start in the minors and stay there until mid-season, or later.
Does Storen even pitch in the bigs this year?
Why not us? Why not now?
Storen is up as soon as he can avoid being a Super Two.
He’s ready now, but the Nats will play the game. I figure Syracuse for Storen and maybe let Strasburg help the economies of all the Nats minor league cities in order.
You may as well control these guys as long as possible, in case the team is still a joke in six years.
Six years? Marquis is planning on winning 162 like now...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 3, 2010 10:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They'll still be anchored with a "Zimmermann" [Jordan] on the staff
Oh yeah, I’m looking forward to Zimmermann dominating the NL this year. How wins will have before the break Bobby? I’m thinking 10 or 12.
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And Bobby wonder. Why he's on tv instead of the bench...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 3, 2010 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"wonders"...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 3, 2010 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's on TV because no one wants him on the bench.
He has a way of making each game seem more about him than about the players. It drives players and GMs crazy (and former Met fans). He is a brilliant baseball mind. He just needs a personality transplant to coach again.
All I need is this thermos
Minor Leagues
For Strasburg, although I’m tempted to vote with the Nats because that will get him on Washington’s roster in MLB 10 quicker. ;)
From a financial standpoint, the minors make the most sense (delaying arbitration hearings, etc). From a development standpoint, the minors again make the most sense. From a greedy, selfish fan’s standpoint, he’s on the opening day roster.
It’s all but official that Strasburg will start things off in the system and work his way up.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 3, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions
Minor Leagues
Besides the “Lerner” financial advantage, I think everyone needs to keep in mind that he has yet to get into a rotation that pitches beyond short season college, games only on Fridays. This is a 162 game season. The minors are supposed to help young players and arms work their way up to that. Instead of just “cold turkey”. There is an advantage to working your way up, seeing different hitters in the minors, especially in AAA where a lot of major leaguers can be found. There is less pressure and it would be more of a learning environment, with some pressure because even in the minors his teams will obviously want to win a lot of games if they can. But major league pressure, with major league scrutiny is probably a lot different.
Just the rhythm of staring every five days instead of once a week...
Is probly a big enough adjustment to warrant some time in the minors…
The big problem for Washington is going to be explaining why a pitcher who’s clearly better than at least 4 of the 5 starters the Nats have is not going to make the team…
Somebody better write up a good explanation for Nats’ officials to read to fans about Super Two status…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 3, 2010 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
College pitchers typically have a season as long as the bigs
College players start practice in early January. They play their first game mid feb. The college season ends in late May. The kids then play summer wood bat league until August. They pitch fall scrimmage until Halloween.
I’ll buy the “philosophy” argument, but not the “they don’t play enough in college” argument.
All I need is this thermos
by natsstats on Mar 3, 2010 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ed,
I don’t see the Nats Nation rising up in arms if he spends a couple three months in the minors. Even casual fans can understand that it’s not in the best of either Strasburg or the organization. Who would rather see him throw an extra 10-15 games for a team struggling to get out of last place versus 30 games for a 2016 team that (if all goes according to plan, knock on wood) should be, at the very least, a factor in the NL east?
2009
Nats fan to usher: "Hey isn’t it a bit early for the Nationals to erect a statue of Manny Acta?"
Usher: "Uh sir, that’s not a statue, that actually is Manny Acta."
I'm definitely on the side of starting Stras in the minors,
If I seemed to not be, I apologize, or must correct the impression…
Doesn’t make any sense to bring him up to start the season, best case scenario, the Nationals start hot (in what is a tough first month or two) and then bring Strasburg up late May or June…I’ll be there when they do, that’s for sure.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Mar 3, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Plus there's that other issue you haven't mentioned...the media glare at Big League level
Strasburg’s not ready for that yet.
His pitching didn’t blossom until his junior year in college so he hasn’t had much time to adjust to all the attention his pitching garners. Plus San Diego is not exactly a big media hub.
So a tour of the minors during game situations should help him prepare for the total zoo he’ll face for his first start at the Major League level. Or at least, I hope it does since the expectations are so enormous.

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