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Washington Nationals/Jermaine Dye: How Far Apart?

MLB.com's Bill Ladson wrote on Monday night in an article entitled, "Dye declines Nationals' contract offer", that the Washington Nationals had made an offer to 36-year-old outfielder Jermaine Dye in an attempt to fill the void in right field (currently being manned by Willie Harris and Willy Taveras) which was created by their decision to release their presumptive starting right fielder Elijah Dukes a few weeks into Spring Training, but as Mr. Ladson explained, the offer the Nats made to the 14-year MLB vet, "...wasn't enough (to convince Dye) to uproot his family from Arizona to Washington." According to Mr. Ladson's "source close to the Nationals," the team, "...felt $4 million was a fair price for Dye," who made $11.5M dollars last season (acc. to Cot's Baseball Contracts.com) in the second year of a 2-year/$22M dollar contract which contained a $12M mutual option for the 2010 season, or a $950,000 buyout, which the White Sox opted to pay this past November, making Dye a free agent.

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In one sure-to-be-overlooked-by-anyone-not-following-the-Nationals claim made in a sure-to-cause-waves article this morning by Yahoo!Sports.com's Jeff Passan entitled, "Hudson hints at racism for blacks in free agency", Minnesota Twins' second baseman Orlando Hudson alleges that race has played a role in some African-American veterans' inability to find homes this season, and the negotiations between Dye and the Nationals are discussed, (ed. note - "Though to be completely clear, there are no accusations in the article that indicate the Nats' and Dye's inability to agree on a deal had anything to do with race.") with Yahoo!Sports.com's Mr. Passan writing:

"Hudson’s comments came on the heels of Dye turning down a one-year contract offer from the Washington Nationals for less than a quarter of his $11.5 million salary with the Chicago White Sox last season."

"Dye hoped to play for a contender," Yahoo!Sports.com's Mr. Passan continues, "...and while he understood he would take a pay cut, he expected a deal in the $4 million-plus range." If the Nationals did offer Dye "Less than a quarter of [Dye's] $11.5 million", that would place the Nationals' 1-year offer to Dye somewhere below $2.875M, but if the Nationals considered $4M a fair price, as Mr. Ladson's source claims, and Dye was expecting something in the "$4 million-plus range", as Mr. Passan writes, how did the two sides end up so far apart? Would Dye have wanted more to play for a non-contender like the Nats? Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore wrote in an article entitled, "Looks like Jermaine Dye won't be a National", that talks between Dye's representatives and the Nationals began, "...on March 17," and, "...had been ongoing since," but Mr. Kilgore also notes that after Dye declined the Nationals' offer, "...any future conversation between the sides appears unlikely, according to a source." The Nationals have said all along they won't "break the bank" to sign free agents even when there are pressing needs to be addressed, but as I asked yesterday, where do they think they're going to find a right fielder they can afford that's available. Time to explore the oft-mentioned trade options again?

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I do not want Dye!! It is a terrible idea to even think about it

We have played the best team in the NL. The sample size is tiny. Lets give to good players a chance before we go out and sign a washed up old player with no glove. Dye has been the victom of being a free agent while one of the worst defensive players in baseball. Even if you do not believe in defensive stats you have to agree Harris is a great defender and Dye is terrible. Dye rightfully deserves about $4 miilion a year, but thinks he is worth more than that, so he will be a club house cancer. TAWH is a much better player than DYE. I promise we will WIN FAR MORE GAMES with TAWH platooning in OF than we ever will with DYE. DYE brings about 10 homers and 2-4 more losses for far more money. Please lets not even entertain this idea. It is a terrible one!!!!. The kind of idea that makes us a 59 game winning team for several seasons. I want to win someday not be the Royals east for 15 years!!!

This team has outperformed expectations so far because its defense in the OF is downright ungoldy. Lets not mess that up! Our ptichers are not strike out guys, but rely on defense to succeed. Let that happen! This is the best fielding lineup we have had since this team was the Expos. Lets not screw it up. The pitchers need the defense! Please!

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Apr 13, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree on no Dye, do I think the Nationals should go forward with Harris and Taveras in right all season?

Absolutely not. But I’ve still yet to hear of another reasonable free agent or trade alternative….so Dye, no. Explore options, yes…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Apr 13, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Completely overboard

This team has outperformed expectations so far because its defense in the OF is downright ungoldy.

Give me a break. Yes, there have been a couple (and here I mean two) heart-pounding plays in the outfield. Are they the reason the Nats are 3-4? Absurd! How about clutch hitting performances by Wilingham? How about Clippard’s amazing performance Saturday? How about Livan’s (yes, Livan’s) shutdown start Sunday?

Why, in your mind, does Willy Harris’ great shoestring catch get all the credit for a game won, but his ill-conceived double-into-a-triple diving attempt get a complete pass from you as irrelevant, one play?

Rob

"Man may penetrate the outer reaches of the universe, he may solve the very secret of eternity itself, but for me, the ultimate human experience is to witness the flawless execution of a hit-and-run." -- Branch Rickey

by RobBobS on Apr 13, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. No. No.

Solid defense is really important and he’s no good defensively either.

erskine has scored...now i can die in peace

by souldrummer on Apr 13, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want Dye either, now

That’s some amazing BS about not wanting to uproot his family for a mere 4 million dollars. I would have liked his bat, but now I just say “enjoy your summer off, Jermaine”.

Rob

"Man may penetrate the outer reaches of the universe, he may solve the very secret of eternity itself, but for me, the ultimate human experience is to witness the flawless execution of a hit-and-run." -- Branch Rickey

by RobBobS on Apr 13, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

At least he didn't pull a Sprewell - "I got my family to feed"

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by natsstats on Apr 13, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dye is a pinch hitter in the NL

Dye must not play in the outfield any more. He’s probably better than Dunn out there, but he’s not good. And as a hitter he’s not even that good against RHP any more (.757 OPS last year). His only value is as a pinch hitter vs. LHP. Hardly worth the price or roster spot.

It’s fantastic news that the Nationals won’t be signing him.

by short on Apr 13, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

This whole thing really pains me for several reasons.

I’ve been a BIG Dye fan ever since he played for Oakland and still feel queasy when I picture him swinging into his leg and breaking it so badly.
So I was really happy when he landed with the White Sox. And he definitely made big contributions during their World Series win.
But the few times I’ve watched Sox games in the past several years, I’ve groaned watching him play in the field. Yes, he’s still good for a long ball or two, but he has lost so much movement that his defense is not good.
So either DH or pinch hitter for him now. And for this he can’t be bothered for $4 million? Hey Dye, wake up and face the real world!

And O-Dog? Where is this coming from?
He’s holding up Sheffield as an example? Has he not read anything about Sheffield? Unfortunately, Hudson seems to be using washed-up 37-40 year-olds as examples of collusion and racism?

This makes me sad.
Mostly, I just wish Passan had passed on this article.

by MissB on Apr 13, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I almost did pass on it for that reason, Miss B.

I wanted to use the Dye contract $’s, but the rest of the article had me pondering for an hour or two whether to use it. I went with the in paragraph disclaimer instead and hoped the conversation would just stay on Dye and the Nats…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Apr 13, 2010 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, I've got no problem with you referring to the article, Ed.

It is germane to the Nats’ current RF situation.
I’m just sad that Hudson decided to air his views based on such questionable examples… and that Passan gave him such a loud megaphone with which to do it.

As for Dye, he seriously needs to get a grip on the reality of his current skill set and understand that he was grossly overpaid for same last year.

by MissB on Apr 13, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

and would be this year if he took $4m

I think there is a sense of entitlement for these guys who can hit and not catch a ball. Im sorry the steriod era is fast coming to an end and now teams need their players to be able to play defense. $4m for a DH in the NL is about $3.5M more than they should get.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Apr 13, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Word!

Especially considering he already got the $950 K buyout this year.

by MissB on Apr 13, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The team

doesn’t need a statue in RF, they need a real fielder. I know it’s hard to find good options at this point, but Dye is not the answer. Dye is a bum.

by Andrew Davidson on Apr 13, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Another reason I am glad O Hudson is not playing in DC

His numbers may prove to be better than Kennedy’s, but he will be a distraction that Adam won’t be. Hudson is just mad that he couldn’t sign sooner. He misjudged the market. Nothing racist about it.

Why not us? Why not now?

by Expos4 on Apr 14, 2010 2:33 AM EDT reply actions  

This one free agent stands out like a sore thumb......

I think we sould sign this free agent named Elijah Dukes.

by artistfork on Apr 14, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

He's got power and potential...Dukes could hit 25/80 one day...

Might be worth a look, and wait til you see his arm in right field, soon as he gets that under control, look out.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Apr 14, 2010 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I heard they tried to put the Elvis wig on Dukes

…and he flew into a rage and that sealed the deal. If you can’t wear the Elvis wig you can’t be on this team.

erskine has scored...now i can die in peace

by souldrummer on Apr 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

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