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Washington Nationals' Pudge Rodriguez Behind Improved Scott Olsen?

It seemed like a different Scott Olsen out there yesterday against the LA Dodgers than the one that fans in the nation's capital are used to, so I was wondering after watching Olsen throw 7.0 scoreless in which he gave up 6 hits and 0 ER while recording 8 K's whether or not Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez was the difference, so I asked Nats' Skipper Jim Riggleman if he thought the 38-year-old future Hall-of-Famer was drawing these impressive outings out of the Nationals' starters: 

Q: I was wondering how much of a [influence] Pudge had on Olsen, it seemed like a different pitch selection than we're used to seeing from Olsen?"

Jim Riggleman: "Well, he's caught him a couple three times now and he did a good job with him. I think that's Pudge's second shutout he's caught now, and he just did a great job. He went out to the mound a couple times to talk to him, get him a little break and talk about how we want to face this next hitter, and it was just a real professional job."

Another writer asked Mr. Riggleman a follow-up question...(cont).

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Another writer asked Mr. Riggleman a follow-up question about whether or not this last outing was the best he'd seen from Olsen, and the Nationals' Manager responded that with the exception of a nine-inning outing (really 8.2 but that's being picky) against Atlanta last July, the start against LA on Sunday was, "...under the circumstances...with everything involved coming back from where he's been and stuff, I think that's the best he's thrown." If you check Olsen's pitch selection MLB.com's Gameday as compared to his career Pitch Type percentages on Olsen's Fangraphs.com page, it's obvious Olsen was (if Gameday's pitch selection reports are reliable) relying on his high 80's fastball and low '80's change far more than his slider against the Dodgers.

Through the first three IP, in which Olsen threw 43 pitches total, (again acc to MLB.com's Gameday) the left-hander threw just two sliders. Olsen started the 4th with two sliders to James Loney, but those were the last two he threw that inning, and he dropped two sliders in the fifth and four-straight to start Garret Anderson in the seventh, but that was it for the breaking balls. 10 sliders total out of 99 pitches thrown? Can Olsen continue to be effective with an average fastball and his change? Can he get by start after start relying mainly on two pitches? Am I just imagining that Olsen was throwing a different game yesterday? Is this Pudge's doing?

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In the post-game interview, Olsen said he, “Kept throwing his slider.” I wonder if he really had a different approach or if Gameday’s pitch-classification is off.

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
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by Doghouse on Apr 26, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Were they mistaking the change for the slider all day?

I guess my question was, if it wasn’t clearly stated was whether he changed or the pitch tracker was off…

Pitch f/x gurus?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Apr 26, 2010 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I saw a link somewhere of Dodger players smacking his weak change up, "like a BP fastball that dies a little at the end."

Of course, he still fanned 8 of them and they didn’t score… I think we should check with natsstats on this one. Quick, Commissioner, light the Stat-Signal!

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
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by Doghouse on Apr 26, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just downloaded the game

PitchF/X classified 57 of Olsen’s 99 pitches as change-ups, 10 as sliders, the rest as either two-seam or four-seam fastballs. 35 pitches had a pitch type confidence of 75% or less. I looked at Lannan’s season numbers and less than 10% of his pitch types had a low confidence rating. So far this season across MLB, pitch_type confidence <75% has occurred roughly 14% of the time. So Olsen was obviously doing something yesterday that confused both the Dodgers and the computers. It probably means that his slider wasn’t moving as much laterally as it should, and maybe sinking a little more than normal. I’ll try to dig in to it more later today.

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by natsstats on Apr 26, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Headline: Olsen's Junk Breaks Computers.

I first thought it was weird when Riggleman said Olsen was going to throw all sliders to Ethier and the Gameday pitch type showed all Changeups. Can’t wait to see what you come up with…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Apr 26, 2010 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hehe

Don’t copyright that – I may need to steal it

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by natsstats on Apr 26, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

just from watching

i remember more slider than that and it did have some down with the outside on lefties. As far as PitchF/X, if 57% of the pitches are changeups, when do they stop being changeup and just a slow-ass pitch? No complaints thoug, livo and he may be onto something

by TJL on Apr 26, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

The slow-[butt] pitch is Livo's change... (consider his "fastball" tops out around 86 on a good day...)

Although does he even through a straight change? I think his offspeed stuff is either a slow curve or a ridiculously-slow curve.

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
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by Doghouse on Apr 26, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Er, "throw," of course.

Dang, can’t even blame that one on the phone.

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3

by Doghouse on Apr 26, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, by Pitch F/X...

Livo throws 60% “fastball” (85mph), 21% slider (79mph), 11% curveball (69mph), 8% change (78mph). Wait, what were we talking about?

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3

by Doghouse on Apr 26, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh.... In 2010, Olsen's thrown 52% FB, 28% SL, 20% CH... and 42% unknown...

I assume that the identified pitches are expressed as a percentage of those pitches which could be identified. In previous seasons, he’s never had more the 2-3% unidentifiable, so he must be doing something different (or the radar operator is drunk whenever he starts).

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3

by Doghouse on Apr 26, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

scuffing?

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Apr 27, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just guessing outside the box

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Apr 27, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Neikro was caught by Pudge in FLA

When he was outded for Scuffing late in his career. So was Kenny Rodgers when he got caught.

Only bring this up because 42% seems real high!

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Apr 27, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just posted a new post on NatsStats that looks at the data

natsstats.wordpress.com Unfortunately, the Slider/Change Up data looks reversed for Olsen, but not for anyone else who pitched Sunday. Maybe it would be a good question for one of our credentialed bloggers to ask the nationals staff.

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by natsstats on Apr 26, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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