Washington Nationals' Stephen Strasburg Finally Allows Run In 4th Triple-A Start...
It took Stephen Strasburg seven pitches, five of them strikes to get through a 1-2-3 first inning that saw the Nats' '09 no.1 overall pick facing some major leaguers on Detroit's Triple-A Mud Hens' roster like Scott Sizemore and Carlos Guillen, who's down in Toledo rehabbing from an injury before he returns to the Tigers. Strasburg allowed a single in the second, but retired the side without the runner advancing from first. A leadoff triple in the third led to the first run scored on Strasburg in Triple-A, when he retired two batters after the leadoff hit and a passed ball allowed the runner to score from third, for an unearned run.
The second run Strasburg allowed tonight was earned, however. Carlos Guillen lined a single to right on a 1-1 fastball and one-out later Jeff Frazier, a 27-year-old '04 3rd Round pick by the Tigers, doubled to left on a 1-0 change from Strasburg that stayed up in the zone. Runners on second and third, and a grounder to left by Casper Wells on a first-pitch fastball scores the first earned run on Strasburg since he arrived in Syracuse four starts back, but the 21-year-old right-hander recovers and got a backwards K and a lineout to short to end the fourth. A swinging strikeout, groundout and flyout ended a 1-2-3 fifth and after just 52 pitches, 36 of them strikes over 5.0 innings pitched in which he allows 5 hits, 2 runs, 1 earned and strikes out 5 without walking anyone, Strasburg's done.
According to @NatsTownNews, in a Twitter message sent out after the game, the future Nationals' starter's, "...combined ERA with Triple-A Syracuse and Double-A Harrisburg is 0.99 (5 ER/45.1 IP)."
• In 4 starts at Triple-A Syracuse, Strasburg's Line: 4 GS, 23.1 IP, 2 R, 1 ER, 0.39 ERA, 11 H, 4 BB (1.54 BB/9), 27 K's (10.41 K/9).
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If they have him pitch his debut on May 29th against the Padres
He would be clear of Super Two eligibility. A May 29th start puts him on track for June 4th and June 10th in the homestand….
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by StrasburgSavior on May 24, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
He has a four year contract......Super Two doesn't apply...
"There's a *raccoon* roaming the concourse at Space Coast Stadium." -Strasburg's Debut
"...eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg" - Bryce Harper, masked like #3...
by cat daddy3000 on May 24, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, that four year contract included last year
So Super Two does apply. It covers last year (1), this year (2), and the next two years (3,4). The year after that would be the Super Two year. That’s how I understand it.
lol or Cassander could explain it a lot more succintly than I did
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by StrasburgSavior on May 24, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks to you both for the info. I was assuming the late 2009 contract would still be in effect after he had accumulated 3 years service time...
"There's a *raccoon* roaming the concourse at Space Coast Stadium." -Strasburg's Debut
"...eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg" - Bryce Harper, masked like #3...
by cat daddy3000 on May 24, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Super Two does in fact, apply to Strasburg.
Here’s how Strasburg’s four-year, $15.1 million contract works:
$7.5 million signing bonus (2.5 million was paid 15 days after approval of the contract,
$2.5 million paid in January and another $2.5 million paid in January 2011)
$400,000 salary in 2009, but that was prorated to approx. $100,000.
$2 million salary in 2010, $2.5 million in 2011 and $3 million in 2012.
Add 1/4 the signing bonus, and in 2012 you get $4.875MM.
Here are the rules of arbitration:
A player with at least two but less than three years of Major League service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if he has accumulated at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season and he ranks in the top 17 percent in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding season.
The exact amount of service time varies from year-to- year, but has been as low as 128 days and as high as 140 days, although the number is usually between 130-135.
The Savior will be signed for $3MM in 2012, which will be (god willing) his third year in the bigs, right? That means that in 2013 he’ll be paid at least $4.875 million—regardless of whether he is arbitration eligible or notAccording to the collective bargaining agreement, a player under team control cannot receive a pay cut of more than 20 percent from the previous year. Because of this rule, the Nationals would have to pay Strasburg at least $3.9 million in 2013 (that’s 80 percent of $4.875 million) if he fails to attain Super Two status.
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by StrasburgSavior on May 24, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
When I say third year in bigs I mean third year pitching in MLB, not third year of contract.
That would be fourth year of contract.
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by StrasburgSavior on May 24, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Numbers courtesy of Kilgore
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by StrasburgSavior on May 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, never mind.
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by StrasburgSavior on May 24, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless they play with rest, short rest for Livan or give Stras an extra day.
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by StrasburgSavior on May 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
not really, June 4th would be standard 4 days rest, the 30th, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, then pitch on the 4th.
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Ah but there are 31 days in May
So his next start would land on 6/3.
Ian Desmond...because the future starts now for the Washington Nationals.
I think another day of rest is planned, actually...
I have no real knowledge of this, but barring the unforseen, I’d say the 4th is the day.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on May 25, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
All of this moot now.
Zuckerman just reported he’s pitching in Syracuse on Saturday.
Ian Desmond...because the future starts now for the Washington Nationals.
Leave him in Syracuse
Until June. He doesn’t need to make that start in San Diego, though I hope his former battery mate Maldonaldo gets the nod that day.
Why not us? Why not now?
The DC Faithful Were Following...
The auto update broke for me, so the game thread showed no posts. I assumed Patrick was driving home and no one else was watching, so I posted the lineup and a couple comments so it wouldn’t look totally empty and left…
Looked real silly when I refreshed and everyone appeared, enjoying the game as always… I was like in a different dimension…
"There's a *raccoon* roaming the concourse at Space Coast Stadium." -Strasburg's Debut
"...eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg" - Bryce Harper, masked like #3...
Funny junk.
You know the house is going to have some heads when Stras is dealing. Just want to hear more about why they only let him go for 5 and 52 pitches.
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by souldrummer on May 24, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he wasn't all that effective tonight, was he?
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OK, he was effective, just not Strasburg effective.
Rob
"Winfield goes back to the wall. He hits his head on the wall and it rolls off! It's rolling all the way back to second base! This is a terrible thing for the Padres!" -- Jerry Coleman
I think he was going to be effective though.
That’s why I was surprised when they pulled him. Thought it was going to be like the last start where he gained steam going on during the game.
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by souldrummer on May 24, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
He started to gas it up when he was in trouble.
I dont buy the fact that they pull him because he was getting hit…i think they would have preferred it if he was getting hit…to see how he reacts, etc.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Which is why I don't get it.
Saving bullets? I guess so, but then how do you stretch him back out for the major league starts. Injury? WaPo already has said he wasn’t injured. Starting him in San Diego? That also seems slightly confusing to me. I was almost totally certain that he would make his debut at home. It is a puzzle that Mr. Sheinen has yet to weigh in on in any kind of substantive way.
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by souldrummer on May 24, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well since the teams deal with Boras was for total innings pitched this season, every inning he pitches in Syracuse is one more he can pitch for the Nats before they shut him down.
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Is there really a contractual deal?
I mean I think there’s a limit of 150 innings but I believe that it is mutually agreed upon because both sides want him to last the duration of this entry contract and what research there is justifies laddering up with innings.
Ian Desmond...because the future starts now for the Washington Nationals.
Nats have said no. No deal, but they've talked openly about the same inning totals...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
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by Patrick Reddington on May 25, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's basically where I'm going with things.
Everybody probably agrees that 150 IP is the goal.
Ian Desmond...because the future starts now for the Washington Nationals.
It's "The Plan" ... but will the Lerners get too greedy?
From what I’ve read, it’s been “The Plan” for Strasburg to pitch 50 innings in the minors, 100 or a little more in the majors. He now has 45 2/3 innings, so one more 5-6 inning start brings him up just about right on the original plan and saves more bullets for the bigs.
I just worry that the Lerners are going to get greedy. According to the DC sports blog (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/) the June 4th tickets are already selling briskly. My nightmare scenario is that the team lets the ticket sales for the game hit 35,000 or so, and then they announce that Strasburg will start the 5th or 6th so they can get another game to sell out. It’s my nightmare scenario not because I have tickets to the 4th (I hedged my bets and got fairly cheap $24 seats) but the damage that would do to an already fragile fan base. After making their fans sit through the Opening Day Phillies Phanphest at Nationals Park, to jerk us around again would be devastating, a classic case of penny wise (oooh, TWO sellouts!) and pound foolish (alienating the fan base).
It seems to me they would be cutting of their nose to spite their face if they pitched SS on the 5th or 6th, because that would mean he would not be able to pitch the last game of the home stand. In either case the Lerners would only be assured of 2 sellouts. Right?
If they do the old bait and switch they end up pissing off the fans while at the same time losing the excitement that would be generated by the anticipation of a second Strasburg start at home…AKA The Second Coming!
bottom line, though (and I'm not defending the Lerners here)
is that the team has been very coy about Strasburg’s debut, and the June 4 day is just a consensus of media folks specualting. I’ve been in some of those conversations with Rizzo, and he hasn’t told anyone The Plan (v.Strasburg).
If SS’s debut is a day other than June 4, i don’t think it’s fair to blame the Lerners on this one.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on May 25, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Mmmmmaaaaayyybbeeee
… if they start him Saturday in San Diego, I’m not mad at the Lerner’s – there’s a baseball argument for bringing him up and filling the open rotation slot. If there are rainouts, etc., or something else that would shift Strasburg’s availability for the 4th, also that would obviously be OK. But if it’s just “oh, we decided not to pitch him to give him extra rest” or something like that, then it’s going to be awfully hard not to believe that it’s a cash-register driven decision. “Being very coy” might be forgiveable in a vacuum, but after the Opening Day fiasco they’ve just about used up all of their “benefit of the doubt” with me. At some point the coyness becomes slick deniability. We have enough of that in DC as it is. And jerking people around for an extra few ticket sales when Forbes has rated you as the team with the second highest profit figure in MLB already merely further poisons an already fragile (because of past sins) fan base.
If Lerner needs an object lesson of the cost of such alienation, he need look no further than Camden Yards. I’m not an O’s fan, but it’s depressing that attendance has dropped so low there when for years it was a hard ticket. The Nats don’t even have that reservoir of goodwill that Angelos squandered; it could happen here MUCH quicker.
Pretty much my position as well.
I don’t think they are gonna jerk us around, though.
Ian Desmond...because the future starts now for the Washington Nationals.
I think they have also shut WaPo up.
Journalism would suggest that there’s some kind of speculation on when the start will be based on Olsen’s DL and the new data from Strasburg’s last start. I haven’t seen much from WaPo trying to take the initiative and help locals predict it or frame the question it terms of what different dates will mean. It seems to me that they’ve agreed to be hush about it in exchange for the increased access and positive press that Shenin is giving them so far.
Ian Desmond...because the future starts now for the Washington Nationals.
Again if there are solid baseball reasons for it not being the 4th I would be sad but accept it.
If they just play bait and switch to get two days in that fashion, I will remember it and spend less money on the team in the future. I think they are smart enough to realize that if they do something like that they are going to take an enormous PR hit.
The name of the game for them is season ticket sales and that would require them to be pretty transparent and do more to stem the tide of rising ticket sales with transparency that 6/4 is a 50/50 proposition at best.
Ian Desmond...because the future starts now for the Washington Nationals.
I'll grant you that
But I still maintain it would not be smart from a PR standpoint.
And its hard for me to figure how him starting one day later would somehow help in his development
by PerryMason on May 25, 2010 12:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
June 4 is now basically sold out
I just went on the Nationals website and “tried” to buy June 4 tickets (I already bought 2 last week) and could not.buy 2 tickets together. In fact, from what I can tell, there are just a few single tickets available in nine different sections—my best guess is about 50 tickets TOTAL remain.
I agree with the posts that say that making his debut anything but June 4 would be a really jerk-like greedy move on the owners’ behalf, and I can’t see them doing it (or at least really hope not). While it is true that they have not confirmed June 4, they really couldn’t have for worries that if something happened out of their control, they’d be in real trouble (or worse, have someone who paid a ton for their tickets sue them). However, if the planned date is not June 4, they could have easily stopped the deluge by announcing something as simple as “the current plan does not involve Stephen Strasburg making his debut on June 4” I think that having not done that, if they now make the date something else, they will be responsible for the assumptions of the fans and it will be really bad long-term pr and will affect long-term trust between the owners and the fans.
by Brad Newberg on May 26, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions

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