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Wire Taps: Washington Nationals' Adam Dunn Wants...What?

In the article that Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore published Friday entitled, "Adam Dunn says he hasn't changed view on contract talks", in which Nats' first baseman Adam Dunn expressed his frustation with having to answer questions about possibly being traded, the 30-year-old big middle-of-the-order bat told Mr. Kilgore that he's removed from the process of getting an extension before his 2-year/$20 million dollar deal with Washington ends, preferring to leave those talks to his agent, "...I don't know anything about this kind of stuff. I stay out of it. I hate that crap." "Employee number 44", as Dunn referred to himself, also denied the rumors ESPN.com's Buster Olney tweeted last week which claimed that, "...Dunn has just about lost interest in working out a long-term deal with the Nationals," and on Saturday MLB.com's Bill Ladson posted a story on his blog, "All Nationals All The Time" entitled, "Rizzo doesn't like offers for Dunn -- so far", in which Mr. Ladson quoted, "A baseball source familiar with the Nationals situation [who] doesn't think they will trade first baseman Adam Dunn before the non-waiver trade deadline," because the Nats', "...general manager Mike Rizzo doesn't like the offers for Dunn," he's received so far, though it's made clear the Nats are still exploring their options...

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But then on Sunday, the WaPost's Mr. Kilgore noted via Twitter, (@adamkilgoreWP) that, "For what it's worth, the #WhiteSox, a team linked to Adam Dunn trade rumors, have had a scout here in Florida all series watching the #Nats," and Chicago Tribune writer and syndicated columnist Phil Rogers reported, in an article entitled, "Phil Rogers' whispers: White Sox's Crede almost ready again," on the sort of deal Dunn's agent was trying to secure for his client: 

"Adam Dunn is looking for a deal of at least four years for $60 million after having to settle for a two-year deal with the Nationals in his first run at free agency. The Nats want to keep him, but not at that price. It's likely he will be traded, with the Yankees, Angels and White Sox at the head of the list." 

Right up until Adam Dunn signed with the Washington Nationals in February of 2009, the Nats were stating openly, as Washington Post writer Chico Harlan wrote at the time in a 1/8/09 Nationals Journal article entitled, "Nats Draw Line With Dunn, Hudson", that Dunn was, "...asking for [a contract] larger than Washington anticipated. And larger than Washington is willing to pay." After he'd signed with Washington, (with no better offers on the table than what then-GM Jim Bowden was offering), Dunn told MLB.com's Bill Ladson in an interview entitled simply, "Q&A with Adam Dunn", that he'd, "...thought it would be a lot more teams involved, but it just didn't work out that way," and asked if he'd been frustrated by the process of finding a free agent deal, the then-29-year-old outfielder told Mr. Ladson that he, "...was very frustrated,":

"...because I didn't know where I was going. I like to have a plan. I like to know where I'm going. For it to take that long, it was very frustrating."

If Dunn's looking to finally cash in on the deal he was told he would get last time he was a free agent, he might find himself on the market again, because 4-years at $15M per is more than I imagine the 30-year-old slugger getting from the Nats, and more than he's going to get from an AL team that wants him as a DH once he hits the free agent market....I'm with Dunn, I'm tired of all this talk, 13 days for the Nationals to decide what to do with Adam Dunn....

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I like having the numnbers...

…but the situation looks grim from the point of view of wanting Dunn to stay in DC next year. :-/

by cassander on Jul 19, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Just note Phil Rogers is the only one saying this...

Surprised no one has commented, it’s been up since this morning…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Try to take stuff Phil Rogers says with a grain or seven of salt...

He’s not always the most accurate of sports writers in Chicagoland.

"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain

by brook on Jul 19, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing "4 years" staring at you in black and white..........does give one pause...at least it does me...

  I don’t think Dunn gets what he wants, here or anywhere else…

Don't Be A "Crow", Bryce... - P.R., Draft Day 2010
"...eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg"

by cat daddy3000 on Jul 19, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The last time Dunn hit the market, he stayed jobless until late when the Nats inked him. I agree. I don’t think he gets 4 years 60 mil. He might get a few looks in the AL, but if he doesn’t want to DH, he might stay on the market awhile again.

Why not us? Why not now?

by Expos4 on Jul 19, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think 30 over 2 is decent

And Id imagine that a 2 year deal would be what teams are keen to offer. In this age with player decline – Dunn might not hit for power into his 40s. Realisitically I wonder whether he’ll be close to finishing at about 33-35. So a 4 year deal is largely all risk for the Nats.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Jul 19, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t help but compare Dunn to Ritchie Sexson. Now admittedly, Dunn is a better player. But in his age 30 season, Sexson had an OPS+ of 144. At that point, if you would have told me he would OPS+ 84 at age 32 and would play his last season at 33, I’d have laughed in your face.

by docholliday3 on Jul 19, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except Richie probably took the you know what and has suffered in you know what

I’m not a Nats fan, but I’ve resorted to watching MASN2 for my baseball fix so I’ve seen enough of this team to know that Dunn still has perhaps 3 legit seasons in him. His advanced stats aren’t astronomically lucky at all, if I recall right

jtb yl1 thunder up tino

by Allen J. Kha on Jul 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Careful

If you watch enough Nationals for long enough, you just might end up becoming a fan in spite of yourself. That’s pretty much what happened to me after a year or so…

Rob

"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball."
—Connie Mack

by RobBobS on Jul 19, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the ominous warning

I’m a Padres fan through and through, and I follow the Rays a bunch too. I like the Nationals though, and I hope the Nats do well. It’d be nice to see one DC team do well, so all of these bandwagoner fans around me at UVA could shut up and become true fans of a team

jtb yl1

by Allen J. Kha on Jul 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not totally grim for the health of the team...

…provided they don’t just pocket the money if he walks and draft well. Admittedly, I would be mad if they settle for the picks and don’t get an equivalent player (and I’d have no idea who that would be right now) with the money saved.

Rizzo has to be fairly confident that a trade will work out or that the market will come back to where he wants it to after free agency or that the team will pony up and pay. Sadly, we will worry about these issues without having enough information to know what’s really going on.

Like the man, I’m starting to get Adam Dunn trade fatigue.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 19, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bay's deal

Bay got 4 years 66 with a club option, right? If Dunn hits free agency I could see someone giving him a similar deal if a bunch of teams are bidding against each other.

These contracts get bigger every year. We can either sign players and win games or not sign players and blame the market.

by el beisbol on Jul 19, 2010 6:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Perception

I don’t understand this, but for some reason the perception on Jason Bay is that he is one of the best offensive outfielders in the game. I don’t understand it. I don’t think he is. But it exist and often times the perception of the player is more valuable than the reality.

by David Huzzard on Jul 19, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Bay got lucky that the Mets are the Mets.

by docholliday3 on Jul 19, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

What we know

Which is still basically nothing, but it gives us a way to infere what is going on.

1. Numbers have “leaked” once again which means contract talks are ongoing.
2. Dunn supposedly wants to stay in Washington, but has no idea what is going on in contract talks. What this says to me is that Dunn is just reading off the soon to be free agent script about how he wants to stay here. If he was so inclined to stay then he would at least want to know what the Nationals were offering to keep him.
3. The White Sox are seemingly very interested. They are scouting all our games, they are the team we have heard rumours about for about a month, and we know what we have asked for.

by David Huzzard on Jul 19, 2010 7:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they will settle on...

Three years for 45m and a club option for a 4th. Seems like a fair deal for both sides.

by The Herndon Kid on Jul 19, 2010 8:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Now this, my friend, is what a fanshot is for. This deserves a whole thread to itself.

RobDibbleMustGo will have a field day with this one. In fact, I’m going to swipe this for myself. ;-)

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 19, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just put up a fanshot on this one on your link.

Why not post it as an image in that fine thread to further spread the word on Dibble’s fine fashion sense? I ain’t going to pierce or tat myself, but I’m amused to see what people have to say about Dibs.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 19, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I’m in the school where people can mutilate their bodies as much as they want. Some of it may look insane to me, but whatever floats their boats. Dibs pays the price by being forced to wear long sleeves when it’s 100 degree weather.

by RoscoeNats on Jul 19, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

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