Hall Of Famer Andre Dawson And The Montreal Expos' Past Of The Washington Nationals' Franchise.
• Andre Dawson - Montreal Expos/Chicago Cubs/Boston Red Sox/Florida Marlins: 21 seasons, 2,627 games, 2,774 hits, 503 doubles, 98 triples, 438 HR's, 1,591 RBI's, 314 steals, a .279 CBA, one Rookie of the Year award, (ROY-1977), 8 All-Star appearances, one NL MVP award, (NL MVP- 1987), and nine Hall of Fame ballots.
The Hawk, Andre Dawson still holds the Washington Nationals' Franchise Season Records for the Most Away HR's in a season, (tied with Alfonso Soriano - 2006) with 22 HR's hit on the road for the Montreal Expos during the 1983 campaign, and Most Sac Flies, with the 18 the then-28-year-old Dawson hit that same year. In spite of his history with the team that now calls itself the Nationals, Dawson was quoted in Chicago newspapers after he was voted into the Hall with an Expos cap saying that he'd have preferred to have been immortalized in a Cubs cap in recognition of the city he feels truly embraced him once he left the Expos and Montreal. There are reports this morning, however, from MASNSports.com's Ben Goessling, in an article entitled, "Three issues to mull over in NatsTown", that the Nats will take the first steps toward recognizing the Montreal past of the franchise when they honor Dawson on August 10th at home in Nationals Park.
I wrote about Mr. Dawson and the Montreal history of the Nationals' franchise for a feature article over at SBNDC. For those among you who always wished I had an editor, you might enjoy reading that article, for the rest of you, I've included the original text of the article after the JUMP, but by all means read both though, it's an off day, what else do you have to do...
Andre Dawson's fellow Hall of Famer and former Montreal Expos' teammate Gary Carter, the only other Expo to wear the tri-color cap in the Hall, addressed the Washington Nationals' unwillingness to acknowledge their French-Canadian roots in an article last year by New York Times' writer Tyler Kepner entited, "Montreal Expos, Forgotten by Many, Are Reuniting in Cooperstown" in which Mr. Carter was quoted lamenting the fact, "...the Expos’ history is not acknowledged at Nationals Park,":
"'That’s really the sad part,' Carter said. 'At least recognize and embrace the fact that they were in Montreal for 36 years.'"
"This has been a sore subject with DC fans," MLB.com's Bill Ladson, who covered the Montreal Expos for MLB from November 1, 2002 until they played their last game in 2004, acknowledged when I asked him for his thoughts on Dawson's induction into the Hall. "Andre Dawson should've been in the Hall a long time ago, before Gary Carter," Mr. Ladson says, "Dawson was a complete player, played in pain all the time, had a bad knee injury since he was a teenager," and in spite of the knee injuries, (first suffered playing football in high school in Florida, which required 12 operations over the course of his career), Dawson worked as hard as than anyone and was able to accomplish all of his Hall-of-Fame-worthy achievements on balky knees. Isn't that the sort of player you'd like to have as a part of your franchise's history? Mr. Ladson quoted the lone player among this year's Hall of Fame inductees in a blog post earlier this Spring entitled, "Twitter poll: Should Nats honor Andre Dawson?", in which the 56-year-old Dawson expressed an interest in being a part of the Nationals' history:
""That would be a decision they would have to make,' Dawson said Wednesday. 'I really don't know how to answer that other than I would be honored and thrilled [if they did]. That would be up to them.'"
"I understand the Nationals' desire to cultivate the ties to historical D.C. baseball," Dave Nichols, (who covers the Nationals for the Nats News Network, and was one of the first DC-based writers this Expos' fan met and befriended after the franchise left Montreal), tells me when I ask him about Dawson and the Expos, "...but there really should be some sort of recognition of the actual history of this franchise, and that history is in Montreal. I'm not suggesting a statue of Andre Dawson out in the centerfield plaza, but would a plaque or mural be out of the question? Surely the team could find a suitable place to honor those teams and players, other than mere footnotes in the history books.
"Dawson was one of the best players in this franchise's history," Mr. Nichols continued, "Why wouldn't the Nationals want to honor him as he's inducted into the Hall of Fame? There are other non-D.C. based Hall of Famers on the columns on the concourse around Nationals Park--why not honor part of this franchise's history by putting up murals of Dawson and Carter, Hall of Famers that actually played for this franchise."
Will Yoder, who writes The Nats Blog, is part of a younger generation of Nats fans than my own, one that grew up without a local team to root for, and was one of the Mid-Atlantic-based baseball fans petitioning for baseball's return to the nation's capital before it became a reality in 2005:
"When I was 12 I stood outside a restaurant in Arlington, VA with my mother holding signs and clipboards that said, 'Bring Baseball To Virginia.' An angry "NIMBY" crossed the street just to antagonize us. No, he wasn’t an Expos fan, he just couldn’t stand the idea of building a stadium in Northern Virginia. As this grown man verbally assaulted a single-mother, who was clearly only there to support her middle-school aged sons activism, I thought, "This guy really could have used a hometown baseball team growing up."
As a Nationals fan with no attachment to the Montreal past of the franchise, Mr. Yoder still believes that the Nationals should find some way of recognizing the sacrifice Expos fans made so that Washington could finally see the return of the national pastime, "As Washingtonian baseball fans, we need to remember how truly lucky we are. For years our city was without a baseball team to call our own. Many, like myself, grew up rooting for out of market teams just so we could have baseball in our lives. Then in 2005 we were given the gift of baseball from the MLB, and as recipients of any gift we should be both grateful and mindful. Grateful to the MLB for choosing our city, and mindful to the sacrifices made to make that happen. Montreal fans had their passion taken from them...the Nationals owe it to Expos fans, as well as the city of Montreal to recognize the history of their franchise."
MASNSports.com's Ben Goessling, who covered the Nats beat for the Washington Times' Sports section before joining MASN, recently researched and wrote a children's book on the Montreal Expos' history, and I asked Mr. Goessling if the time he spent examining the franchise's roots changed his opinion one way or the other as to whether or not the Nats should acknowledge their past and the role that Andre Dawson played in the history of the team:
"It didn't change my mind so much as it made me realize just how sad the history of the franchise is. This is a team that's been defined by missed opportunities - the Blue Monday game in 1981, the 1994 team, the 2003 squad that didn't get September call-ups, etc. - and though I wish the Nationals would give some nod to their Montreal roots, I can understand why they don't. It's not as though there's a World Series in their past to recognize. As for Dawson, he's definitely a big part of that history; he was one of the best players on that 1981 team. But the Expos never put it together with him, and he left right about the time they were ready to make a run again. To go from the Expos to the Cubs and Red Sox, and then retire from the Marlins a year before they won a title...well, maybe Dawson understands the Expos' story a little too well."
Mr. Goessling's colleague at MASNSports.com, Phil Wood, has been one of the most eloquent voices of opposition to the idea of recognizing the Expos' past of the franchise in the nation's capital, as he expressed in an article entitled, "'Spos Not", in which he noted that while Frank Howard's number 33 hasn't been worn by any player in DC since baseball's return, both Dawson's number 10 and Tim Raines' number 30, which the Expos retired, have been handed out to Nationals' players. In the article, Mr. Woods also recounts a phone call with a member of the Federal Baseball community who called in to the "Nationals Talk Live" post game show to ask for the writer's take on whether or not the Expos' past should be a part of the Nationals' present:
"I replied as I have many times: I don't see much reason to do it. When the franchise moved to Washington in 2005 and left the name "Expos" in Montreal, I think they left behind that legacy. Yes, the Expos had some outstanding players in their 1969-2004 history; but not many Washington-area baseball fans can really relate to that. Heck, the number of area fans who still relate to the Senators is dwindling, but they still far outnumber Expos' aficionados in the mid-Atlantic."
So that's where we're left, right where it's been since the franchise pulled up it's roots and relocated to the nation's capital. Andre Dawson will go into the Hall of Fame as potentially the last Montreal Expos' player to receive the honor and wear the cap unless Tim Raines' support for election increases dramatically or Vladimir Guerrero's or maybe Larry Walker's Montreal beginnings warrant their donning the tri-color cap upon induction...but after that the history of the Expos' contribution to baseball's story will exist only in the Nats' record books, where eventually those marks will be surpassed and the Expos' past of the franchise will be relegated to maybe two, three or four plaques on the wall in Cooperstown. Unless, of course, the Nationals choose to fully embrace their past...Inviting Mr. Dawson to the nation's capital and Nationals Park is a great first step.
eMb - The Montreal Expos existed.
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It's funny that Patrick's picture at the bottom of the article
has him wearing a Senators’ cap.
Rob
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball."
—Connie Mack
"Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself." - Walt Whitman
It is funny I agree.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 2:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Solid article...
…thanks for not outing me as the community member who called into Phil Wood. I don’t really have a problem not being anonymous, but thanks for giving me the choice. The other half of that call is Zuckerman was also on that call-in show and I’m curious as to why he wasn’t quoted on this article. Don’t know if he’s harder to reach with all the things he’s got to do for his paid subscribers, deadline issues for you, or whether Zuckerman’s just getting big for his britches. I dig Zuckerman a lot, and I’d even subscribe to him not for his subscriber benefits but for him to pop in here every now and then like Dave At Nats News Network does.
To me, it’s not the Dawson’s who we owe things to the most, though. We need to do something because I’d rather honor him than the Orioles and other folks around the ballpark who have nothing to do with the team. The people that really should have some say on these issues are the guys like Jose Vidro, who carried the mail for the transition on some godawful teams and under some godawful conditions. If he wants us to forget about the Expos and all that he suffered, I’d sign up for turning the page real quick.
Somebody needs to interview Livo on this because he’s the only person on the team currently who played for both the Expos and the Nationals. Likewise, it would be interesting to talk to Expos’ draftees Bernadina and Desmond about this stuff. They wore the tricolor at the time they became professionals, how would they feel about wearing it again.
At the time I called in, I thought it was some branding thing that a marketing guy told them to embrace the Senators lobby. Now, I’m not so sure. There may be another explanation. Let’s face it, the Expos are the brand that MLB destroyed. The Lerners themselves probably grit their teeth everytime they think about how much they paid for a team that had no farm system and few major league assets and how that probably wasn’t factored into the price that they paid so much. All of this Expos history probably raised the price they paid, and all of the Expos fail is what they got. And as we saw with the stadium mistakes, the Lerners do not like losing a dollar from a deal one bit.
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Just looked up Livo's stats.
If they do an Expos throwback day this year, it would be nice if they found a way to have Livo pitch or get a pinch hit experience. Certainly, he doesn’t want to forget the Expos if he knows anything about WAR. Livo’s been in the league 15 season.
Livo’s total WAR is 23.9
He’s made 17.0 WAR in 4 season.
5.3 WAR, 2003 his first season with MTL.
5.0 WAR 2004 his second season with MTL
3.3 WAR 2005 his first season in DC
3.4 WAR 2010 Livo in DC for the comeback year.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I submit that Livo’s about as DC/MTL as Chuck Brown, and like Chuck Brown there ain’t too many hits outside the Beltway or within the states.
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I already asked...
Bernadina: http://www.federalbaseball.com/2010/5/25/1486407/washington-nationals-5-minutes
and
Desmond:
http://www.federalbaseball.com/2010/4/24/1441387/washington-nationals-ian-desmond
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 3:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
As an outsider and Cubs fans who roots also for the DC team...
(because I was born there though raised in the Midwest), I can kind of see both sides. To DC people, baseball in the city took a hiatus until 2005, so they just want to pick up and carry forward DC baseball. To Expos fans, their franchise got renamed and moved, but it has been their franchise for a number of years, so they an attachment to it.
It would be nice if there could be a comprise of having the Nationals carry on DC baseball tradition yet acknowledge their ties to the Montreal Expos with some public demonstrations and/or events as part of the baseball promotions For history’s sake, if not for sake of the two fan bases, they should embrace the COMPLETE history.
And the Rangers ought to give back the Senators name. Like they’re ever going to use it.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
Senators is a nonstarter for me.
Unless every one of those Senators fans has stayed in the District and didn’t move out after 1968, no thank you. Mayor Williams was solid on making that clear. Plus that was a team that failed twice.
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Actually, I was kind of being facetious about the Rangers remark....
which doesn’t translate well, I know. From what I can understand of the somewhat convoluted history of official name of DC’s original Major League team, “Nationals” is is appropriate and correct also. May as well use it too, since as you point out, the team called the “Senators” failed twice. Hopefully, a different name leads to a different outcome.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
I never know who the beat the drum Senators people are....
…Clark Griffith’s Senators were not exactly nice to black people from what I understand and I can understand Williams’ political resistance. Thanks for clarifying, though. Homestead Grays all the way! I’ve certainly written it here elsewhere but even my basketball fantasy team is called the Brookland Grays.
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Back when they were talking about having a team comeback to DC....
and discussing what name to use , I wondered if they might use the Grays name. I remember thinking it would make a viable choice since it was a DC baseball name.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
It was too political...
…and it would have been kind of awkward to use a Negro League team name when many of we negroes have moved on to football and basketball and may not have supported the team anyway. Nationals have to be a team for the whole region and that would have been to The District. I just wish they didn’t have to be a team for the whole nation’s visiting fans.
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by souldrummer on Jul 26, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to think that in time the Nationals...
will be able to fill the stands with their own fans. It will take time though. It’s only been in recent years that Milwaukee has been able to fill Miller Park with a majority of their own fans and not just be “Wrigley North” for Cubs-Brewers series. The last time I was there in 2008, there balance between Brewers and Cub fans was closer to even so it’s been shifting for awhile. One of my co-workers went to Miller Park this past Saturday to catch a game and he was saying he was surprised to see how full the park. Unless a large contingent of NatsTown suddenly descended on Milwaukee, the place was full of people there for the Brewers.
Patience, the Nationals fans will come.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
names
There was a web site called “Remember the Grays” that pushed for that nickname to be used.
Mayor Tony Williams asked that Senators not be used because D.C. does not have Senators of its own.
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
With you on that...
..but Grays was never gonna fly because that’s too much Negro Leagues. I wanted Grays because I dig the Grays and I wanted the team to potentially attract black fans back to baseball across the country. Having a team tie into the Negro Leagues could help bring some traditional black fans back to baseball who’ve abandoned it for football and basketball. Clearly, I’m very biased on that one and I am perfectly satisfied with the Nationals name.
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by souldrummer on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Boo!! Morgan stinks.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol.
Do the Rangers honor Frank Howard? No. Do the Orioles recognize the St. Louis Browns? No. Why should the Nats recognize the MONTREAL Expos.
Screech's Godson
Because it would be a gracious gesture ...
and anyhow, shame on the Orioles, Minnesota, and the Rangers among others for not acknowleging their franchises previous incarnations.
Just because other teams ignore their past, the Nationals should also? Why not start a new trend?
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
Ok. Maybe we should honor him.
But having things around the stadium that are Expos-related is too far. Like banners or plaques(sp?)
Screech's Godson
The Rangers did wear the Senators unis on a throwback night and the Orioles wore the Browns...
So your “No” is actually a “Yes”…now what?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he should come here and be recognized.
But anything more about the “Expos” is too much. They never played here. Why do people want us to honor them and like them when they couldn’t even get 10,000 fans at their own stadium?
Screech's Godson
Because they are responsible for baseball being here...
Their final season resulted in the pick that got Zimmerman. Their picks are playing in right field and at short right now…granted an Expos’ pick actually hit Rickie Weeks in the head this weekend too, but they can’t all be winners.
Honestly, I fully understand why DC fans have no attachment to Montreal. Why they want to deny that the connection exists for the few faithful fans who have stuck with the team through the transition though is what perplexes me.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Bernadina wasn't a pick, but a signing, but you get the point, I'm sure...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow ! that was almost Mamba-isk...
We should honor the greats of the Expos … no conditions attached just honor them.
I don't think anyone's trying to force you to like anybody
But the fact remains that there are people who DO like the Expos, and wish to honor them. The Nats ARE the Expos with a different name. They are not the Senators with a different name. The Nats honor the Senators; the least they can do is recognize their actual roots.
This argument occurs so often here, and I don’t really understand it. Why are certain people so adamant about actively ignoring the Expos? It doesn’t make much sense to me.
Rob
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball."
—Connie Mack
eMb
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't know this acronym...
“Expos, my butt?”
(LOL. Try not to phrase that out in public.)
Rob
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball."
—Connie Mack
eMB =
eMb = A stylized “M” for Montreal, containing a red “e” for Expos, and a blue “b” for baseball.1
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Never did know how that logo worked...
…this is almost as enlightening for me as when I realized that the Capital was silhouetted in the Caps Weagle.
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I don’t know if it matters, but when the Senators left DC, wasn’t it the owner who saw greener pastures and decided on his own to move the team to Texas? Seems like this time there was a real process, even though they pretty much had to give the team to DC.
No more teams just leaving towns when the owner gets a better offer. They at least make it appear like a process when a team leaves. No Mayflower trucks in the middle of the night anymore.
Yep.
He’d been given the expansion Senators. I don’t remember him being particularly stellar as an owner, and he left for the big moneys in Arlington.
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by souldrummer on Jul 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no problem with Expos fans, or acknowledging the franchise's origin
But there’s a difference between acknowledging and actively promoting. The goal of the team is to build baseball here in DC, with roots here in DC. Baseball roots in DC go back to the Nats, the Senators and the Grays. It’s not foolish (IMHO) to use those roots to build a thriving franchise. I’m not that keen on honoring Expos players any more than we honor players from other teams; they are being honored for something that happened in another time in another city (country, even). I cannot emphasize enough that in my view it’s not the franchise, it’s the city that is important here. The Nationals are the current caretaker of baseball in DC, and I want them to do it well and proudly.
That said, I do believe in honoring Expos fans. Here in DC we know the pain of having baseball taken away from us, so having the team wear the uniform for a day and make it clear that this is in solidarity with another city that knows the pain that we’ve known (rather than to try to convince fans in DC to claim the time the franchise spent in Montreal as our own) seems to me to be perfectly acceptable.
by d_c_guy on Jul 26, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the right spirit.
What offends me is all of the Baltimore stuff in the new ballpark. I’m sorry Cal Ripken has zero to do with DC baseball and I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually discouraged baseball in DC. Certainly, Jim Palmer was anti-Nationals with Angelos. Anything Baltimore in that stadium bugs me, and if we can have Baltimore in there anywhere, there should at least be a small exhibit or something that acknowledges some of the team records that the Expos still have and their hall of fame players and the players who played in both DC and Montreal.
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by souldrummer on Jul 26, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
You’re absolutely right – Baltimore is far enough from Washington to not be considered part of its baseball history. And the fact that they still blame the Nats for siphoning off their fan base (I blame their awful teams, but that’s me) is continued proof that they don’t deserve this recognition at Nationals Park.
by dave104 on Jul 26, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Noticed your new around here. That interleague sweep at Camden Yards this year was the bitterest of pills to swallow. Even if the Orioles finish dead last in MLB they will talk about that nonsense the whole offseason.
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An Expos day where they acknowledge the history once a year...
And maybe change the menu to some French-canadian delicacies once per season is all I’ve ever wanted. Invite Expos fans to come down from Montreal or come out of hiding in DC after what the Habs did, and trot out there in the tri-color cap. That’s all I ask…
Great point about it being about the city and not the franchise though, d_c_guy, no one has quite phrased it so perfectly yet in all the discussions we’ve had aboot this topic, Thanks.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
A thought
If they really wanted to have an ‘Expos Day’ they should do it in a future series against the Blue Jays in Interleague play. The Nats could wear Expos uniforms and the Jays could wear their retro pyjamas/uniforms. Not sure that this needs to be an annual thing, but from time to time maybe.
And every couple years when they actually play each other it would be a nice event...
I like it, i think we’re coming to a compromise everyone can live with.
My big selling point for the Nats is always to think of how many hats they could sell. Everyone would by the blue,white,red pinwheels…
Don’t think I didn’t notice you called their uniforms pajamas though.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"buy" the pinwheel caps...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You should take your campaing to the SBNation overlords...
…there is no Fan of Montreal Expos option to keep those who keep the tricolor faith together.
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They play the Blue Jays at home every six years
That’s a pretty long time between these events.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
There you go again...
…quashing hope with facts.
Fake flagged. (I would real flag some of these points if I knew that there wasn’t some kind of demerit system from The Overlords that is held against users. Patrick might be amused by some of my flag comments.)
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by souldrummer on Jul 26, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
6 years is a long time????...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm. You sound like a Senator now.
Not a baseball player, a politician.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Since I have few marketable skils except...
Churning out chatter on a blog, I’m considering going into politics…or were you talking to souldrummer? :)
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Another thing that’s kind of different is that to me the expansion era of baseball in the 1960s seemed to have a lot of cloak and dagger stuff. You had pretty dumb owners trying to make up for their own incompetence by moving to cities where they were blindly loved. I don’t think the Twins and Rangers wanted to remind people of their incompetence in their former incarnations as Washington Senators’ franchises.
With Montreal, they were really the victim of awful, awful timing. They are a casualty of the strike. People did support baseball to some extent before the strike (just read an interesting article in “The Summer Game” that talks about baseball when it just arrived in Montreal). Had they made the playoffs in the strike year, they’d basically be in a similar position as the Tampa Bay Rays are now, a winning team trying to decide whether there’s worthy support or not. Baseball played a large role in jacking up the Expos with the strike, and it would be nice if baseball would consider the wishes of the people of Montreal in all of this stuff. Unlike DC, I’ve go to believe they have just about zero hope of getting baseball again. If Montreal’s people want to forget about baseball, then DC should probably go along with that.
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Quick nitpick
A quick nitpick – Vladimir Guerrero never wore the ‘tri-color’ cap, as those pre-dated him. Larry Walker did, but not for very long.
Vlad was strictly the royal blue, you're right...hopefully they'll wear the logo though...
Do other people associate Vladi with Montreal or Anaheim? I’m sure my opinion is biased….
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record though:
Montreal – 8 seasons.
LAA – 6 seasons.
TX – 1.
I tend to think he’d go in as an Expo.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That hurts...
Don’t give Dunn away!!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 27, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Counterpoint
Montreal is a wonderful city and in a more perfect world it would still have a baseball team. However, the Expos mean nothing to this Washingtonian. I am not interested in the heritage of a different city and name when there is 71 years of baseball heritage here.
I have more on my blog.
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
Totally understand this sentiment...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 27, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Expos lovers get that.
They have a hard time seeing the team expunged as if they never existed, however, and it would be a nice gesture if occasionally the Nationals acknowledge at least their own players who were both Nationals and Expos. If you expunged Livo’s Expos seasons, he never would have been tradable because the two best years of his career were in an Expos uniform. Part of the reason that he digs playing for the Nationals (and was willing to sign with them at a bargain price) is because he remembers how the Expos gave him a chance to rebuild his career after constantly disappointing fans in San Fran and wasting his skills when he finally started to get American dollars in Florida (not me saying that, the Blogfather Barry Svruluga says some of this in his book on the Nationals opening season).
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted I was not born yet when the Senators left
The Twins or Rangers acknowledging the Senators would not make me feel better, it would actually do the opposite. Having the Senators acknowledged in RFK Stadium with the Hall of Stars inductions was much more meaningful than anything the Twins or Rangers could do. The Habs did that for the Expos too.
Souldrummer — I did not recall that was why ¡LIVAN! loved the Nats, something I have wondered about over the years.
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
Yes!!!!
@NatsTownNews: #Nationals will recognize career of baseball’s newest Hall of Famer, Montreal Expos OF Andre Dawson, on August 10 as Nationals host Marlins.
@NatsTownNews: Dawson is 1 of only 3 players in the HOF with ties to the Nationals/Expos franchise (C Gary Carter and 1B Tony Perez). #Nats
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 27, 2010 1:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

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