Wire Taps: Monday's Washington Nationals' Adam Dunn Trade Chatter Wrap.
(ed. note - "I know a lot of folks have heard all this, but someone told me not everyone is on Twitter, which I find hard to believe, but in case it is true...this will get everyone up to speed...")
The part of ESPN.com's Jayson Stark's story entitled, "Daily Rumble: Welcome to the Roy Oswalt Show", involving the Washington Nationals' Adam Dunn that was left out in all the "rumblings" about rumored three-team discussions involving the Nats, White Sox and D-Backs yesterday was Mr. Stark's report that Washington has, "...made it clear that if they can get him to agree to an extension in the next few days, he'll stay." Instead, the talk all afternoon yesterday revolved around the second part of Mr. Stark's report which had Arizona right-hander Edwin Jackson going to DC with Adam Dunn headed to Chicago and, "...a bunch of young pitchers [going] to Arizona."
FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal was up next with reports via Twitter (@Ken_Rosenthal), that the, "#Diamondbacks will not hesitate to trade EJax if they get what they want," but, as far as Mr. Rosenthal had heard as of 2:30 pm EST yesterday afternoon was that, "No 3-way talks with #Nationals and #WhiteSox - yet." And as Mr. Rosenthal wrote just moments later: "3-way w Dunn going to #WhiteSox a little difficult to imagine; White Sox don't have much to give."
ESPN.com's Buster Olney hears things, however, and about an hour after Mr. Rosenthal's reports, Mr. Olney tweeted (@Buster_ESPN), that, "The Nats have made progress in their effort to trade prospects for Edwin Jackson." What prospects? No one knows, but Mr. Olney makes no mention of Adam Dunn, just "prospects" involved as the Nationals "continue" to pursue the former Dodgers', Rays', Tigers' and current D-Backs' starter. As for Dunn?
SI.com's Jon Heyman brings the Yankees back into the discussion, writing just an hour or so before Mr.'s Rosenthal and Olney tweeted their reports in an article entitled, "It's a genuine buyers' market in baseball before the trade deadline", that, "[The Yankees] also have been in touch with the Nationals about big-time power hitter Adam Dunn but so far found the price prohibitive." Later in the article, Mr. Heyman discusses the possibility of the White Sox making a deal for Prince Fielder, and though second baseman Gordon Beckham's still not on the table, Mr. Heyman writes that the Sox, "...would likely be willing to include Triple-A catcher Tyler Flowers in a package," along with their top pitching prospect, Daniel Hudson. The Nats don't need a catcher, right?
More rumors to follow...
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Cathcer ?
Maybe I am missing something but don’t we have Norris down in double A getting his training in. He has caught all our major prospects so far and Pudge is getting it done this season and probably next season…once he retires we can hire hime to coach our catchers in the future….so no we probably don’t need a White Sox catching prospect for someone of Dunn’s calibur….
Norris
… is only in A ball and has lost most of the power he showed last year (although that could be attributed to the hand injury). He has at least one more full season of minors left and considering Flores can’t throw anymore, I would say the Nats definitely need a catcher.
For the record, I’m anti-trading-Dunn and pro-extension. But if we can’t re-sign him, getting Flowers or maybe Montero from the Yankees would be nice.
Montero iso n of the best hitting prospects in all of baseball
If the Yankees didn’t trade him to get Cliff Lee, they sure as shootin’ ain’t trading him to get Adam Dunn.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 27, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
not to beat a dead horse
b/c I appreaciate your correcting my error on the single A / double A status of Norris…but if Pudge can give us another year and Nieves hangs in there to supplement we can wait another year for Norris or other farm prospects….or is it more prudent to get a catcher now ? that is what I am left asking.
by NewJerseyAveSE on Jul 27, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Norris isn't a sure thing
Pudge is barely adequate as a starter, and Nieves is just terrible
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Def not a lot of depth behind the plate...
But outfielders and pitchers are all I’ve heard discussed so far in all this trade talk.
And for the record I’ll still be surprised if Dunn gets dealt.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe some stats
Phillies – Ruiz – AVG OBP SLG OPS
.267 .384 .364 .748
Nationals – Pudge – AVG OBP SLG OPS
.267 .292 .348 .640
" Barely Adequate" seems a bit strong ….. especially granted the professionalism he brings to the clubhouse…..
by NewJerseyAveSE on Jul 27, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Defensively strong, great with pitchers....
…and a veteran leader, but the positive aspects of those #‘s are a result of his hot start, if you look at his offensive splits in the last few months it’s brutal. That being said, after a year of Bard and Nieves, Pudge is a godsend…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pudge
NJAveSE, if you’re trying to compare Pudge to Ruiz, you’ve made a point, but probably not the one you’re trying to.
sure, the average is equal, but big deal. there’s 100 points difference in the OBP! that’s he difference between Nick Johnson and Cristian Guzman.
Pudge is a sub-replacement hitter that is still living off the benefits of a hot 13 game streak at the beginning of the season.
as for his defense and “leadership”, I am of the opinion that both are overrated. though plenty around here are still in love with Pudge’s intangibles.
take the “wild pitch” from Detwiler against Milwaukee. if was a fastball that Det bounced off home plate that Pudge tried to backhand instead of dropping to his knees and blocking. i thought it was lazy and the catcher’s fault. just one example.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
"Block!! Don't Reach" - Patrick Reddington on Sunday.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
I appreciate getting to know more about the stats….honestly I was hesitant to bring stats up here b/c I know there are others on here who know tons more than me. You make some good arguments. I just don’t want to see us waste Dunn for little in return….it seems like in general we should be able to develop catchers and not have to go out and sign them….
by NewJerseyAveSE on Jul 27, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
100 in OBP
just didn’t think that was as big a difference as it apparently is….
by NewJerseyAveSE on Jul 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
huge.
100 points of OBP is difference between replacement level and all-star.
over .350 is good OBP. over .375 is very good. over .400 is elite.
Pudge currenly is .292. Not good.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 27, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Anecdotal evidence
Perhaps Pudge should have caught that one pitch, but even if he didn’t when he should have, that hardly indicates some systematic failure. This year’s catching corps has been VERY GOOD in terms of preventing wild pitches, allowing just 21 of them, the 3rd lowest in the majors. In addition, the Nationals catchers have two passed balls all year: the lowest mark in the majors.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Pudge is cratering, though.
He is a major funk and his numbers are carried by a smoldering start that was unsustainable. He may be better than he’s been the last 6 weeks but you’ve got to be concerned Pudge can turn into a pumpkin and Nieves is not acceptable next year under any circumstances for me.
Acquiring a solid defensive catcher who is almost and MLB ready prospect would be great. That could provide Pudge insurance and give the team the flexibility to move Norris to 1B to improve his bat and possibly overtake Marrero or make him a major trade chip should we ever become buyers. Wouldn’t mind seeing a prospect that would help us develop Norris slower with a year at AA and hopefully a year at AAA rather than pressure to move him forward. But like Harper, if you could move Norris elsewhere on the diamond, he could get to the bigs quicker.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees were more than willing
Montero was the centerpiece of the trade that the Yankees had worked out with the Mariners, but they prefered Smoak and the injury to the second base prospect the Yankees were offering is what allowed the Rangers to jump back in it at the last minute.
by David Huzzard on Jul 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Kurkjian thinks Nats would ask Twins for C...
Just thought it was funny in light of the discussion about the Nats’ C situation:
@mlbtraderumors: Twins Interested In Matt Capps http://bit.ly/bFmDXx #mlb
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
As does Mr. Kurkjian, who brings up and shoots down his own rumor...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
These people know how to get page views in trade deadline week.
At least Kurkjian is a local guy who likes the Nats.
You don't get top prospects for rentals of closers whose price gets worse after arbitration.
Don’t know the Twins system, but trading Capps to a team with a deep farm system makes sense to me.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha I'm glad my sarcasm shined through
But yeah other than Wilson Ramos, I don’t know if its worth it. Might as well try and dream big and get worthwhile prospects that also fill needs
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
The comments on that article are hilarious
Something along the lines of “If they don’t want to give us Ramos for Capps, We’ll toss in Guzman too”
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Throw in Adam Kennedy!
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
Probably can't do both at the same time, this year
but one of the comments does suggest throwing in Marquis as well
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Please don't trade Dunn
Great comments here, thanks for all of the insight. I just want to take a moment of everyone’s time to plead for the Nats to sign #44 to an extension.
My son just recently became a HUGE Nats fan after being assigned to the Nationals Cal Ripken baseball team and being given the number 44. He had never really followed any pro sport, but as soon as I turned on a game and he got to see Dunn play he was hooked (my son is also a power-hitting lefty with a swing just like AD’s).
Leaving a game a couple of weeks ago we heard the rumblings of the possible Dunn trade and my son, close to tears, asked “why would they trade Dunn?”. He had just watched his hero smash two homers and then was told he may no longer be around.
I’m not ready to introduce my 10 year old to the injustice that is pro sports!
/plea
BTW, the Capps trade throw in posts are hilarious.

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