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Wire Taps: The Washington Nationals, Adam Dunn And Anonymous Sources.

WASHINGTON - JULY 27:  Adam Dunn #44 and Josh Willingham #16 of the Washington Nationals talk with Chipper Jones #10 of the Atlanta Braves before the game at Nationals Park on July 27 2010 in Washington DC.  (Photo by Greg Fiume/Getty Images)

Before making an appearance on the MLB Network, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal wrote, in an article entitled, "Dunn has yet to receive offer from Nats", that, "according to a source with knowledge of the situation" the Nationals have yet to actually make an offer to their big middle-of-the-order bat Adam Dunn. As far as Mr. Rosenthal had heard at the time, the Chicago White Sox were still the main suitors for the 30-year-old 40/100 threat, but Mr. Rosenthal noted that his, "... sources say the Tigers, Rangers and Yankees maintain some level of interest, as well."

Later Tuesday afternoon, in an appearance on the MLB Network, Mr. Rosenthal explained himself further...

MLB Network Trade Deadline Special

Ken Rosenthal: "...you said in the open that the Nationals are exploring all options with [Adam] Dunn...not really. The one option they haven't explored is a contract extension. They keep saying how much they love the guy, they want him back, but I learned today and reported that they've yet to make him a single offer. Now there are people in the industry who think who think that they're going to come with a last minute offer and then say, 'Hey, take it or leave it, if your reject it we'll trade you.' That could happen, a strategy...that could be hard to pull off..."

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Later on MLB Tonight, Mr. Rosenthal appeared again and talked about the Chicago White Sox' plans as they approach Saturday's Non-Waiver Trade Deadline: 

Ken Rosenthal: "Right now, the priority is Adam Dunn, and has been for several weeks. [The White Sox] are trying fervently to get him, but Friday night, the night before the deadline, [RHP Daniel] Hudson makes his next start, he has struggled as a fifth starter since replacing Jake Peavy, and if he struggles again Friday night [White Sox'] GM Ken Williams might wake up Saturday morning and say, you know what, Adam Dunn isn't our biggest need, and at that point he would shift gears and possibly get a starting pitcher, but Dunn could make the biggest impact of any player he could possibly acquire."

• When he was done on t.v., FOXSports.com writer and MLB Net contributor Ken Rosenthal reported, in an update of the FOXSports.com feature column, "Buzz: Latest news from around the horn", which was entitled, "Nats looking to make moves to acquire D-backs' Jackson? ", that "major league sources" were telling him about what the Washington Nationals were attempting in their rumored pursuit of the D-Backs' right-hander Edwin Jackson...but as Mr. Rosenthal notes, "In fact, the Nats are not even expressing direct interest." "Instead," Mr. Rosenthal writes:

"[The Nationals] are first trying to obtain the necessary starting pitcher for the Diamondbacks through a trade for first baseman Adam Dunn...

"The White Sox, pressing hard for Dunn, likely would need to include right-hander Dan Hudson in any deal with the Nationals. The Nats then could send Hudson or one of their own pitchers to the D-Backs for Jackson."

• Earlier in the day Tuesday, ESPNChicago.com writer Bruce Levine had reported, in an article entitled, "Source: Hudson in any Dunn deal", that, "Any deal for Dunn would have to include Daniel Hudson, the White Sox's top pitching prospect," and the Nats, according to Mr. Levine:

"...also want one of three White Sox prospects: catcher Tyler Flowers, outfielder Jordan Danks or injured infielder Brent Morel."

• ESPN.com's Buster Olney, who's reported on Dunn's plans over the last several weeks was instead speculating last night on Twitter:

(@Buster_ESPN): "What follows is pure speculation: A Yankees-Adam Dunn trade makes a whole lot of sense. The Nationals have made successful trades with the Yankees in the past (Tyler Clippard), the Yankees usually think big and strike fast, and the possibility of Dunn hitting fifth or sixth or seventh in the Yankee lineup, in the short porch of Yankee Stadium, could be very, very appealing to the NYY."

• ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick speculated last night about a third team that is pursuing the Nats' big middle-of-the-order bat and another approach the Nats could take could take at the July 31st deadline, writing first on Twitter (@jcrasnick) that the Tampa Bay Rays, "...looking for an impact bat, will keep an eye on Jayson Werth and Adam Dunn right up to the trade deadine,"  and then reporting on what he's heard about another direction the Nats could go:

"One scout said he won't be surprised if Nationals trade Adam Dunn, then try to re-sign him this winter if the price drops."

So? Three days left until we see whose sources are right...

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I never believe anything

As far as I am concerned everything we read before the trade deadline and during the winter meetings is either an outright lie, negociating through the media, a convient half truth, or misquoted sources.

Rosenthal says they aren’t even entertaining the option of resigning him. Then why have both Mike Rizzo and Dunn’s agent said they are. What do they gain by lying? Maybe what Rosenthal’s source said is no formal offer has been made, or no contract has been offered. Two things that mean very different things from themselves, but neither means that negociations haven’t occured.

by David Huzzard on Jul 28, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

This is the one thing for which Bill Ladson is useful for me...

…you ask him his assessment of performance on the team and I believe he’s said enough things that I’m not into. Plus Nationals Insider and then maybe Nationals Journal and The Goessling Game are often enough for me when it comes to daily stuff. You just go to Nationals Insider and look up the links. And Ladson’s game stories are conspicuously absent.

But when it comes to rumors and the Nats, Ladson seems to have a higher hit rate because his Mlb.com status probably limits his ability to speculate. He will always have my respect on this front for getting the Strasburg debut right as early as he did and kind of punking Zuckerman who really whiffed by making me lean towards 9/4. But the Nats seem to have a 2-0 record in Strasburg Shell Game starts so it’s all good with me.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I distinctly recall

last January/February (2009) when Ladson wrote not once but several times that the Nats had given up on signing Dunn, they had no need for Dunn, and that signing Dunn was simply not going to happen.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Jul 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Ladson speculates, he comes up with that kind of mess.

When Ladson reports, he’s acceptable for me in a hold your nose hope he’s accurate kind of way. Good look.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

I don’t think I can tell the difference between him speculating and him reporting. Of course, this could be mostly just a reflection on me. As Denzel once so famously said:

Son, I work for the Pentagon, so I admit I’m a little slow on the uptake, but did you just threaten me?

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Jul 28, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look how much we all learned about patience from last year’s Strasburg negotiations. We hardly even mention Bryce Harper. Seems like Strasburg was a huge subject every day leading up to the mid-August deadline. Now I just think Boras, jackass, last minute, rich kid.

by RoscoeNats on Jul 28, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's almost-near MLB protocol anyway

I’ve observed that most over-slot signings are almost always delayed, as to not affect other negotiations (just like it is in the NFL)

Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.

by ajk9hy on Jul 28, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absurd.

It’s in the Nats interest to get him signed immediately, and the League is telling them they can’t? I can’t stand the whole concept of “slot” anyway, and now the notion is that it’s intended purpose is being totally inverted to actually hurt the small teams. It’s all bull-hockey.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Jul 28, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

But slot does offer a small finger in the dyke against Heath Shuleresque quarterback contracts for baseball at least. Do agree with you here for the most part, though.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just like the NFL.

Usually each party already has a figure in mind, but it’s just a mechanism to protect the owners. I don’t have that much of a problem with it, besides the fact that it takes some valuable summer ball time away for prospects (and annoys college fans like myself)

Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.

by ajk9hy on Jul 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

no doubt the process stinks

hopefully in the next CBA they can get a first-year entry salary scale like the NBA has. the only think NBA does right with contracts, IMHO.

would eliminate the “slot” process and allow lesser-revenue teams to draft for need, not signability.

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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still believe...

..that any team that is drafting purely for signability at this stage in the top 10 rounds of the draft is truly playing with fire and on the fast track to being an even lesser revenue team. Post Tampa Bay Rays, even the dumbest franchises seem to believe that they have to aggressively invest in the draft and international markets.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Padres '04 Matt Bush

Over Verlander, Niemann, Neil Walker, Weaver, Billy Butler, Stephen Drew, and Phil Hughes, among others.

And you can even say Tim Beckham over Posey, Matusz, Alvarez, and Gordon Beckham.

Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.

by ajk9hy on Jul 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

happens every single year

Drew Storen has worked out very nicely, but he was drafted 15-20 rounds higher than most had him pegged at since the Nats needed to sign whoever they drafted there.

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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 28, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume you mean 15-20 spots higher than he was drafter....

…rather than 15-20 rounds. He’s not Stephen Strasburg, but he’s not Employee No. 15 of the Vermont Lake Monsters in last year’s draft either.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

rounds, spots…what the difference?

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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 28, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most spots are round

although some have irregular edges :-)

by d_c_guy on Jul 28, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a special situation though

Since it was a comp pick for Crow not signing, the team had no protection if the draftee didn’t ink the contract. It was sign him or lose him. Given that, I don’t think that it was dumb for the team to take that into account.

Besides that – they essentially traded Crow for Storen! So far, so good on that one :-)

by d_c_guy on Jul 28, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

True that.

What both the owners and the players have to understand is that time off and delayed minors development probably hurts everyone in the long run. But as it stands now, both the rookie agents and the teams have to try to “win” the signing negotiations as added value for their positions. I’m not sure if I’m pro hard slot or soft slot (and better people than me should decide what soft slot is), but some slot has got to be added to the new CBA.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Industry lesson number five hundred eighty...

…record executives are shay-dee!"
And here’s reason number 580 to dislike to dislike Bud.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

The Strasburg negotiations helped get me away from nailbiting angst on things that I lack information about. This nailbiting at the trade deadline seems to be about as useful as the nailbiting for the NFL draft, where the pundits’ draft orders rarely match the actual draft until almost as its happening and so many deals are last minute that it makes it tough to predict what’s going down. But the 24-hour news cycle demands stories and so you get streams, rivers, and lakes of misinformation.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wake me on Sunday and tell me what happened

I’m so. very. tired. of all the speculation. These guys throw something new up against the wall every night, much of it flatly contradictory, and then if one of them turns out (randomly) to be correct, they tout themselves as expert insiders. They’re just being used by the teams, the agents and the players.

by d_c_guy on Jul 28, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Yessir!

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to address all of the above:

I do realize all of this noise can grow tiresome, but I just figure having it all in one spot makes it easier for anyone who’s not online all day or following 50 writers on Twitter, so I hope it’s understood that this is all speculation and should be taken as such…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jul 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Can't wait for Sunday.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Jul 28, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Patrick you doing a great job!!! Oh I don’t remember if you blogged yesterday or the day before, but you stated that some people don’t use tweets etc. Dude, I’m one of those people. I’m very appreciative of the extra effort you make to fill us stone ager in.

by Berndaddy on Jul 28, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Lack of a smart phone and lack of twitter/facebook in my life eases my peace of mind sometimes but does leave me isolated for info sometimes.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The jinx FAQ will be thrown at me now...

…but here goes the perfect Sunday that would compensate Nats fans for the pain they are currently feeling.
1) Nats sweep the Phillies.
2) Angst and suffering ensue in the Philly media as Philly fans realize they have lost 3 games on the standings to the Natinals in a battle of attrition instead of the steamrolling they are expecting. Dan Steinberg’s bog entry on Sunday become a catalogue of Philly fans sky is falling comments on radio station WIPay. (WIP with Philly accent).
3) Strasburg makes his scheduled start, possibly on a reduced inning total and pitch count (75-80 pitches 4IP-5IP) to prevent immediately making the tough decision that would likely result in a season shutdown.
4) Dunn is announced as resigned for 3yr-40Mil (this is mostly because the community seems so passionate about wanting him back. I would probably be even happier with high robbery of someone else’s young players).

In an effort to combat the jinxes I have unleashed here’s what I expect.
1) I expect: the Nats will one game in the Philly series.
2) Local media will not care. Philly media will not register.
3) Strasburg to DL but starts not limited much going further. More of Mat Latos situation than a panic inducing one.
4) Dunn traded for something close in value to the original ChiSox offers rumored at ChiSox prices, probably to a team other than the ChiSox.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I understand completely; just because I’ve hit my speculation threshold doesn’t mean that others aren’t glued to their seats following it all obsessively. Just providing my own personal feedback :-)

by d_c_guy on Jul 28, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope we don't trade Dunn...

Offer him 4 years and keep him. I don’t know if were getting any interest for Guzman, but I don’t think they should really trade anyone other than him unless it is an amazing offer. This team can be good next year.

"We're starting to get into Plush mode," Nyjer Morgan said

by ryzim22 on Jul 28, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Buster Olney wrote this morning that...

…his sources say the Nats want another 2-year deal with Dunn. Will post quotes this afternoon.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jul 28, 2010 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ick

Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.

by ajk9hy on Jul 28, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Sources Say"

Take all of this with a grain of salt, my friend. Certainly don’t let it affect your digestive system :-)

by d_c_guy on Jul 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Season he's having, would Dunn even take two?

I’d think he’d rather roll the dice on the FA market.

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
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by Doghouse on Jul 28, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I know

And I’m sure Rizzo isn’t that stupid, either

Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.

by ajk9hy on Jul 28, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad that they are negotiating toughly but seemingly fairly with Dunn.

Specific numbers haven’t started coming out until just lately. And it’s not out of the question that they’ll wait until the end of the season to let the market establish his value for them. The Phillies seemed to just be willing to let Ryan Howard walk all over them, and if the Phillies dynasty crumbles, that contract may be looked at as the first crack in the armor. If Dominic Brown (now getting close to consensus top player in the minors, certainly haven’t seem outside Top 5 on any lists I’ve looked at) struggles significantly next year you could look at that as the event that made it tougher for them to take on salary to improve pitching and opened up a hole in RF.

By not just saying “Dunn’s an all-star. We should make locking him up quickly are highest goal.” they are wisely saying that they like Dunn, but he’s not a core piece on the order of Zimmerman, Strasburg, and maybe even Jordan Zimmermann as well.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not a core guy.......

Now think about how silly that statement really is………..

by artistfork on Jul 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Careful there

Core doesn’t mean the core of now, exactly. Going back to the oft-mentioned Jake Peavy example, Jake Peavy was a core pitcher, but one traded none the less.

Zimmerman and Strassy are untradable in near-any circumstance. That’s the logic.

Rec’d soudrummer as indication of my support and approval.

Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.

by ajk9hy on Jul 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody should be untouchable

Josh Johnson for Dunn? Absolutely.
Lincecum for Zimmerman? I’d do that.
Pujols for Strasburg? I’d have to think long and hard about that.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Jul 28, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

"near-any"

That’s my cop-out. Except you know just as well as I do that a blockbuster of that proportion is very unlikely.

Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.

by ajk9hy on Jul 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unlikely, indeed.

But this was just to serve a point.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Jul 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not my money,

but Pujols is worth it anyway. He’s the best player in the game, you know…

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Jul 28, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely, but there's a cost-benefit to hamstringing a huge portion of your payroll

It’s like the Miami Heat situation, but baseball’s not that forgiving and it takes 9, not 1 (not the best example but I hope you get what I mean)

Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.

by ajk9hy on Jul 28, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly,

10-15 years from now, Washington may be a market capable of supporting a contract that large, I don’t think it is right now.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jul 28, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Nationals can afford it

They can easily support a payroll in the $85M-$100M range. I am glad they don’t have one nearly that large now, because they can’t just buy a pennant that quickly (to try would hurt the team’s long-term success). However, as they add pieces, I fully expect the payroll to grow. I don’t have much doubt they will be in the $70M+ range next year, and closer to $80M by 2012. With aggressive signings and trades, they could hit $100M within five years, but if a guy like Pujols was available, they should jump at the chance — it would make them a contender next year.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Jul 28, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, and add the marketing and gate receipts that would offset a lot of the cost

But I guess the general idea is financial prudence, and if Pujols is going to take 40-50%, I’d really have to consider things if the alternatives from the sum were guys like Dan Haren, Dan Uggla, Jorge Cantu, etc who’s salaries together would add up to the salary of Pujols.

Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.

by ajk9hy on Jul 28, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t do Lincecum for Zimmerman, Pitchers are rarely the same long term value to a team as position players.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jul 28, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunn's a core guy to this year's team.

He may even be a core guy to a pennant race sometime during the life of his contract. What I’m trying to say is that it’s hard to imagine any situation where Dunn plays 10 more years in DC and has a career that flirts with the Hall of Fame and Brooks Robinson/Jim Palmer/Cal Ripken comps. Not that I’m saying that’s what will happen or what is likely to happen, but it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility for those Strasburg and Zimmerman. Hard to think about that for anyone else on the roster.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting back to concrete news, and not annoying speculation...

I’m sure y’all have already heard, but Scott Olsen is coming back on THURSDAY!!!

I will not be doing the GameThread tonight, as I had trouble getting loose beforehand.

by Nationalpastime9 on Jul 28, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

And of course the most relevant question?

Will FJB have yet another post on The Joker to His Batman, aka Scott Olsen The Marlboro Man. FJB is on a personal crusade to inform people that we should not be counting on Scott Olsen for any significant contributions at all for the organization because of either injury, makeup, or performance. With our current quantity over quality rotation, I’m not sure about that yet but I hope he has something to weigh in. Sadly, he’s rarely posting these days.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't FJB a big Bergmann booster last season?

Heck, I liked Tyler Walker this season…

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3

by Doghouse on Jul 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think so.

Bergmann gave around average reliever performance over large sample size. It was the streakiness and utter lack of timing for his meltdowns that seemed to make the Front Office sick of him. Even this year, you can certainly make a case that Bergmann could have done as good job as Batista in the long guy role since he’s a former starter or that he’s at least better than Bruney.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 28, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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