Wire Taps: MLB.com's Bill Ladson: Washington Nationals Trade Matt Capps To Minnesota Twins For C Wilson Ramos.
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 10:20 PM EDT
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Dang! FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) has to know that Adam Dunn despises all this talk, but the FOX sports reporter won't stop with the rumors. Throughout the day, Mr. Morosi has tweeted about the Nats, starting with talk about the Texas Rangers' need for an infielder and reminding his followers, "Remember: #Rangers have shown interest in Cristian Guzman over past few weeks," then noting that Guzman was one of five infielders the Rangers had considered as a replacement for the injured Ian Kinsler. Mr. Morosi next added the Detroit Tigers to a list of teams supposedly not pursuing the Nats' big-middle-of-the-order bat Adam Dunn, along with the, "#Giants [who] have "minimal" interest in Dunn at current price, source says." But he and Yahoo!Sports.com's Tim Brown (@TBrownYahoo) have both reported, as Mr. Brown wrote on Twitter within the last hour:
"Twins and Nats in discussions over RHP Matt Capps."
And as of just a few minutes ago, Mr. Morosi (@jonmorosi) sent out the following message:
"Source says deal is "close" -- Capps for Ramos, straight up."
Ramos, is of course, the Twins' top catching prospect Wilson Ramos, and MLB.com's Bill Ladson is reporting that it's a done deal. And the Nats are getting LHP
MLB.com's Bill Ladson: "Capps traded to Twins for Ramos #Nats http://bit.ly/cIRqKW"
And the Nats are getting LHP Joe Testa in the deal as well according to @NatsTownNews...
More news soon...
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Looks good to me
Storen is the Nats new closer?
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Storen, Clippard? Peralta was closing in SYR...?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Wouldn’t love to put any of them into the spot right now, but it wouldn’t be a bad committee if I ended up that way.
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
Trying to decide if I would just give it to Storen and see if he runs with it....
Somehow doubt that will happen though…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not ready to see Storen close.
He’s stronger between the ears for sure, but I think closing to quickly is what hurt Hanrahan. I’d try Clippard first, then Peralta and Storen last. But maybe Rizzo’s going to go all in and I’d certainly be happy if they felt he was ready to close right now.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the committee idea (sort of)
It can give Storen some shots at closing,but necessarily throwing him completely to the wolves.
by The Herndon Kid on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this alter a potential deal for Dunn?
Maybe Dunn to the ChiSox for Hudson and not their catching prospect?
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Danks could be a fit
Not crazy high on him at this point, but he could be a fit. Today’s rumors are indicating that the White Sox are claiming “internally” that they’re pulling out of discussions for Adam Dunn. This likely means one of three things:
1) They’re fed up with Rizzo’s asking price and are posturing to get him to drop it
2) The Yankees (who also claim to be out)/Rays/Giants are making offers that are better than anything that they’re willing to top
3) They’re really backing out. With the bizarre Blue Jays-Astros trade today after the Oswalt deal, indications are that the Astros will shop Berkman much harder. They acquired a big league ready 1b in Wallace.
I’m hoping for option 2, and I’m hoping it’s the Rays who seem to be pushing the hardest. We’ll see.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does Wallace keep getting dealt? What is that 3 trades?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like people are docking him for the defense, lack of power and lack of walking
by docholliday3 on Jul 29, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, hadn't followed him, but saw his name coming up again and again...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You should check out the Fangraphs post about the deal (especially the comments), I was surprised by how polarized people are about Wallace: either they think he’s great or terrible, no middle ground.
by docholliday3 on Jul 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Defense and walk rate seem to be the primary issues
My understanding is that he’s like a shorter, fatter version of Adam Dunn at 1b right now. He’s still just getting used to the position (3b in college), but it’s the easiest position on the diamond. Honestly, I don’t think that his defense will be bad enough to be such a problem because of hte position he plays.
That said, Anthopuolos (sp?) must have soured on him considerably. If he’d truly believed after half a season that Wallace was his 1b of the future, they’d have called him up to replace the ghost of Lyle Overbay as soon as they fell 6 or 7 games out (they’re 12 out now).
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea hope so for 2 as well.
I dont think he’ll be a HOF’er but im secretly hoping for a serviceable CF for the future. Outside of Destin Hood its bleak down thar.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Awesome
Mike Rizzo turns a half year of a closer who, at one point, was coveted by only two teams, into the #58 prospect by Baseball America…and a little more. Great trade.
No disrespect to Capps though…class act. I will miss the “Let’s Go Capps” chants. Best of luck to him in Minny.
"Imagine if you go see Mrs. Universe, then you end up having Mrs. Iowa. Then you might get those kind of boos." - Miguel Batista
by Steck It Out on Jul 29, 2010 10:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yep - selling high is always a good thing.
Unlike what we did with Nick Johnson.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Blargh. That was a bitter trade.
But this one makes up for it in my book!
"Imagine if you go see Mrs. Universe, then you end up having Mrs. Iowa. Then you might get those kind of boos." - Miguel Batista
by Steck It Out on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Heard today that was part of the reason Nats wanted Dunn...
Nick due back but unreliable…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That guy is made of glass. I wish he’d stay healthy for 5 minutes…
He was one of my faves when the Nats first started out. Hope he can get some better luck.
"Imagine if you go see Mrs. Universe, then you end up having Mrs. Iowa. Then you might get those kind of boos." - Miguel Batista
by Steck It Out on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When he's healthy he's fun to watch...
Nick “When He’s Healthy” Johnson…
Or as Doghouse called him “The Mythical Healthy Nick Johnson”…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
"Semi-mythical"
He was healthy for nearly all of 2006, and what a great season he had. Um, before the, uh, unpleasantness.
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
Heh, couldn't remember it, dern!!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What did you want us to do with Nick Johnson?
Most of the time he was too injured to be worth but so much. He was healthy and had a bounce back year and we turned him into a C+ prospect. No problems with Rizzo for that.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
No more "Let's Go Capps" cheers...
They will be retired next to “Chad Cordero’s brim is as flat as…” analogies, and “Tallest Reliever in the History of Major League Baseball” notes for Rauch…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, they shall collect dust…
"Imagine if you go see Mrs. Universe, then you end up having Mrs. Iowa. Then you might get those kind of boos." - Miguel Batista
by Steck It Out on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m distraught. “Let’s Go Capps!” was keeping me sane this summer.
Watching the O’s try to use strategy is like watching Mike Green trying to figure out the difference between "your" and "you’re"--Terpgrrl
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Trading Clarkie helped propel the Caps.
Trading Capps can help propel the Nats.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Now, we can meet at our eventual watering hole...
…and do ’Let’s Go Capps!" cheers there! Seeing a guy like Capps go to a contender instantly changes my rooting interests in the central as well. Didn’t really care too much about all of the teams. Capps seemed to really revel in the all-star attention and rose to the occasion. I think some of his recent improvement is the confidence in his stuff he gained from that attention. Hopefully, he’ll rise to the occasion and shut the door on the Yankees in the playoffs.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Phase two of the search for the bar begins tonight
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by The Herndon Kid on Jul 30, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Really, if you think about it
He went the Billy Beane route, though he did it cheaper and may have gotten a better return.
This is what Beane did with Matt Holliday last season
This is what Beane tried to do with Ben Sheets (who is now done for the year….. what do you expect, he’s Ben Sheets) this year
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If he can possibly do the same with Dunn, then I shall be preaching “RizzOMG”
"Imagine if you go see Mrs. Universe, then you end up having Mrs. Iowa. Then you might get those kind of boos." - Miguel Batista
by Steck It Out on Jul 29, 2010 10:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If he can get the same value for what Dunn's worth, no one would blame him...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Best of luck to Capps in Minnesota, but...
what a coup for Mike Rizzo. he worked this absolutely perfectly, turning a half year of Capps into a bona fide MLB-ready player at a position of great need right now.
awesome.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone have the scouting report on Ramos or know what the ceiling on him is? I’m not sure I would go so far as to say he’s a bona fide MLB-ready player: he did .241/.280/.345 at AAA Rochester. But turning Capps into an intriguing player at a premium position is impressive.
by docholliday3 on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted something on the comments in the fanshot
I’ll move them over now:
Sickels wasn’t as high on him as some:
4) Wilson Ramos, C, Grade B-: Power and defense are positives, main question is weak walk rate
Baseball America ranked him #2 among Twins prospects
Keith Law ranked him 42nd in baseball:
Ramos has had trouble staying healthy, but when he plays he hits, and he plays a premium position at which bats like his are hard to find. He missed time in 2009 with a broken finger and a partially torn hamstring, which makes his .317/.341/.454 line in 54 games at Double-A even more impressive. Ramos is big, taller than his listed 6-foot height, and his large frame suggests he might outgrow the position. But right now he throws extremely well (he’s nailed 43 percent of would-be base stealers in the past two years) and his receiving is adequate. He does need to work on the intangible aspects of catching, like handling a staff, something the Twins value very highly in their catchers. At the plate, he has strong hands and very good hand-eye coordination, with a hard, line-drive-oriented swing; he’s also impatient, drawing just six walks in his abbreviated 2009 season, and will have to up his patience or hit well above .300 if he ever has to move out from behind the dish. Of course, the position Ramos plays is rather well filled right now in Minnesota, and a contract extension for Joe Mauer would probably make Ramos one of the most valuable prospects on the trading block this season.
Depending upon where you go, Ramos is generally considered a B to B+ prospect who provides phenomenal defense and a solid bat at a premium position. Also, depending upon where you go, he’d rank anywhere from 40th to 75th among the top prospects in baseball.
Reports a couple of days ago were that Rizzo had asked for Ramos when first talking to the Twins and they balked at him. He stood pat, and got a guy with a really nice ceiling and a pretty good floor.
I presume that this means that moving Derek Norris to first base is a lot more likely.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow that was fast, thanks for the info
by docholliday3 on Jul 29, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought the same exact thing when I read that line...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully not another prospect who has "setbacks"
To use a Rizzo euphemism.
by The Herndon Kid on Jul 29, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt close the book on Norrris
Just that he might be 2 years away from the Show. In which case the Pudge decision is a good one where in 2 years, Pudge take a bow and Norris and Ramos are long term solutions. Not necessarily one or the other….but probably no Flores.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I don't know what you do with Norris yet.
I’d still have him catch at the Eastern League next year. But if he’s not made the progress you want next year, no reason not to switch him if it doesn’t work.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I'm buying him a first base mitt if I'm Mike Rizzo
The fact of the matter is that it’s better for his long-term health and it will help him get tot he majors faster. From everything I’ve heard, his defense has improved, but it’s still below average behind the plate. There’s no such thing as a sure thing, but I think it’s better for Norris long-term either way.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Value
It’s why Montero is a catcher and not a first baseman. Norris is pretty darn talented, but his a switch really diminishes his value.
On the other hand, Bryce Harper has a hyped and pretty certain amount of value for any of the positions he wants to play, so that’s why a position change makes more sense.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Sure – my issue is why would u want to swtich a player who could be an everyday MLB player when you dont have depth in that position?
Ramos helps us solve a problem there. Norris also could come up – you need 2 catchers (by in large)…and Flores’ injury indicates that he wont be the fix. I dont see Ramos as blocking Norris at this point. Id like to see both go at it and pick the best of the two.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I don't view Ramos as blocking Norris
I see him as a player whose defensive value isn’t hindered behind the plate. I view Norris as a player whose defensive value drops off behind the plate a bit AND a player whose knees we want to keep healthy. No… competition isn’t a bad thing. I think that a move to first base for Norris was in the cards already, though, and I think that acquiring a guy like Ramos makes it an easier decision for the organization to make.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Buster Posey anyone?
It’s not like you can’t rotate, especially if we eventually need to transition away from Dunn.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Well
To be honest, my assumption is that Dunn is gone by Saturday anyway. I’m not sure Posey’s the most shining example, as I don’t think his move to 1b is necessarily going to last forever. I do think that Norris has the bat to surpass Chris Marrero as the top 1b prospect in the organization almost immediately if they were to go in that direction, and I think it accelerates his timetable to the majors.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
A la Bryce Harper
I don’t think Posey will be traded for Dunn, although you never know.
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Posey's already moved to catcher permanently with Molina gone
My point was just more that 1B will always be that fall-back. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t let Norris continue doing his thing, and eventually if things lead to him moving permanently to 1B, that’s not too shabby
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Swore I saw him playing 1b a couple of times after the Molina deal
With Whiteside behind the plate
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I've heard on KNBR that they want to limited Posey's appearances behind the plate to protect him
But that he’s their starting catcher, with spells at 1B to relieve him. I think that’s what it is
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
If I were Rizzo, I'm looking at Ramos and seeing someone who could potentially be helping out Pudge behind the plate next year
And I’d want to get Norris’ bat and eye-dropping plate discipline to the majors as quickly as possible. Moving him to first is logical, and in a perfect world could coincide with the arrival of Harper and co.
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
All I can say is Kila Ka'aihue.
Bat and eye-dropping plate discipline doesn’t necessarily get you to the big leagues. Haha
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Oh. My. Lanta.
Let’s all be thankful we don’t have someone as idiotic as Dayton Moore running our FO.
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Ramos is an excellent defensive catcher (43% caught rate)
With very good offensive tools. Norris has very, very good offensive tools with below-average defense. I’m concurring with BLS on the first-base mitt.
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Hah, got laughed at for saying Atahualpa Severino was a player to watch last year...
And Kilgore’s reporting he’ll take Capps’ spot on the roster….
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
Channeling my inner history nerd
Atahualpa was the last Inca king before the Spanish, led by Francisco Pizarro, came and destroyed the empire.
This could be an interesting nickname story…
"Imagine if you go see Mrs. Universe, then you end up having Mrs. Iowa. Then you might get those kind of boos." - Miguel Batista
by Steck It Out on Jul 29, 2010 10:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Got reports from Potomac early last season and he kept moving up all year, seen him a few times...
He was on Dukes’ Winter League team this past winter too…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems to have a ready made icon.
Which will save my brain cells.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Wilkie denied.
Conspiracy!
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
3.9 BB/9...
Not too enthusiastic about that.
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Sad to see capps go, but I love this deal. All I want for the rest of the deadline is to see dunn sign a 2-3 year extension with the nats.
Seems to be the consensus, Sorry Jesus Flores!...maybe he comes back to share duty...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see fair value for Dunn.
If that’s 3 years 40M or less, great. If it’s more, I’d prefer fair value out of the prospects. But Dunn’s agent’s got to know that Rizzo means business when he wants a contract before the deadline.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
What a trade!
Rizzo is a magician. Sure the Twins could afford to give up such a high catching prospect, but you’d think they’d be able to get more. This opens the Nats roster a bit in my opinion. It obviously gives some young guys a chance to close now (Storen, Clippard), but makes a guy like Pudge expendable.
The media in Detroit seem to think this an absolute robbery and I tend to agree. The question on a sports radio show came up “should the Tigers acquire Pudge”? I called in and said they could probably get Pudge and Guzman from the Nats for relatively cheap at this moment. Of course, the radio guy insisted Washington is just out to rip teams off (and I tend to agree) but I think trading Guzman and Pudge to Detroit could work for a less than even haul coming back to Washington.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 29, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
that makes two of us.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 29, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Guzman will be dealt.
Salary’s an issue and he’d have to wave his 10 and 5 trade veto rights. Hope I’m wrong, though.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Miguel Batista
Had an impressive outing on Tuesday. Any chance Rizzo can flip him for Gordon Beckham?
by docholliday3 on Jul 29, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This from Ken Rosenthal just a minute ago:
@Ken_Rosenthal: One exec’s theory: #Nationals moving Capps to clear 2011 payroll room for #Diamondbacks’ Edwin Jackson, whom they still want in trade.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, good lord
Don’t kill my Ramos Buzz with Jackson
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry? How about Grant Paulsen on XM saying Ramos is "nearly MLB ready" too...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Truly the most wonderful time of the year...
… for a rebuilding (building?) team like the Nats. I continue to like what Rizzo has done, though I’ll miss Capps. Here’s to hoping we’re getting close to the end of Pretty Wil…
More coming out
The Nats received LHP Joe Testa in the deal as well…. gonna see what I can scrounge up
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Twins got $500K cash is the last note...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Cost of doing business, I guess
Wouldn’t think that’s a problem at all.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So Ramos doesn't look like he has had a great 2010
did we sell high on Capps and buy low on Ramos. I’m impressed! What is up w/ Edwin Jackson? What is the attraction?
Rizzo's enamored according to all reports...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We didn't buy low
Ramos was one of the two key parts that the Mariners were after for Cliff Lee, and the Twins supposedly weren’t happy about parting with him there. He’s had an oblique problem that has cost him some time and may be lingering a bit… that could explain a bit of a dip in his numbers.
Honestly, he needs to learn more patience at the plate, which is a skill that Rick Eckstein has shown can be taught to an extent. Just keep him away from Cristian Guzman and they have a shot at him really becoming a star.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think is a deal where the Twins are desperate to make a statement and are still reeling for not having Joe Nathan
I haven’t followed them specifically, so please excuse my lack of substantive proof. But that’s what it looks like from the surface.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
they’re extremely worried about Rauch’s ability to hold up, mentally and physically, in the playoffs.
Watching the O’s try to use strategy is like watching Mike Green trying to figure out the difference between "your" and "you’re"--Terpgrrl
Donation info for SAVES FOR KIDS 2010!! Make a difference.
I don't think it's a horrible deal for the Twins
They could have gotten more for Ramos in my opinion, but still.
What Capps gives them is an established closer to take over the reins the rest of the way. He’ll make a hefty raise through arbitration, but they’ll hold onto him. Nathan is 36 and recovering from Tommy John surgery. Though recovery from the surgery (and presumably the surgery) has looked easier over the years, that’s still a significant risk. He’s a nice insurance policy.
If they can lock him down long-term, they have a replacement when Nathan retires. In truth, Ramos is 23 and is blocked by their franchise player. His bat wouldn’t play as well at first base, and his supposed defensive strength behind the plate indicates that might not be such a good move anyway. He would likely have developed into their backup, or been kept at AAA for another season after something of a disappointing season this year…. next year when they tried to flip him, he wouldn’t be worth as much as a 24 year old catcher in AAA. It made sense for them to move him.
Still think it’s highway robbery, but I see the Twins side perfectly well here.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, which is ideal all around
Capps is far more valuable to the Twins than he is to the Nats. Ramos is far more valuable to the Nats than the Twins. The surface look says the Nats get the better end of the deal in the end, but the Twins do fill an area of fairly significant need, and they do so with a player who could be valuable to them beyond just the situation they’re in now.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because it's mutually beneficial doesn't mean it's fair in regards to value though..
Although that’s why things are obviously played out on the diamond and not our calculators.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Shrug
The fact of the matter is that Capps is more valuable to the Minnesota Twins than Ramos was. Ramos is more valuable to the Washington Nationals than Capps was.
Yes…. the Nats got better than fair value in a vacuum. This isn’t a vacuum, though.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Rizzo and Edwin Jackson
…feels alot like Grunfield and Hinrich… infatuation
by JefferyWGardner on Jul 30, 2010 12:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I almost wet my pants when I heard this
And I’ve been dying to post on here when I heard the news, but my internet was down.
Stellar, we get our catcher of the future and a solid B/B+ prospect, with potential to grow and be even an A- right before he’s ready to come up.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Preliminary look at Testa.... not blowing me away (not like that really matters with Ramos as the primary return, and more than they probably should have gotten in the first place)
24 year old left-handed reliver.
Looks like a run of the mill left-handed reliever (of the minor league variety). Actually has a pretty solid strikeout rate (10.7 K/9 in 165 career minor league innings). Counters with a high walk rate (4.2 BB/9). Hasn’t had a good start in his first go-around in AA this year (8.25 ERA, 1.83 WHIP), though he’s shown a little something in the low minors (3.33 ERA, 1.35 WHIP lifetime). I don’t think there’s a ton of potential here, but he could make it to the bigs as a lefty out of the pen (can’t find splits… maybe a LOOGY). More likely, he’s just organizational depth.
In truth, it doesn’t matter here. My assumption is that to get Ramos, the Nats would have to throw in a prospect of their own or find some way to convince the Twins that Livan Hernandez is for real (I know…. not gonna go overboard since some of you don’t like it when I say he’s not, but Livo pitched for the Twins a couple of years ago and was atrocious!) and move him WITH Capps…. as well as pick up the whole tab.
An organizational depth arm who could prove to be a bit more like Testa is just gravy here.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
yup, Testa is org filler
big arm with not much idea what he’s doing with it. good K rate, bad BB rate.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 29, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
At the moment, Testa's more of a throw-in. But one worth taking
But I’ve heard of Testa through a guy who’s familiar with college baseball in the New England (Testa went to Wagner College), and he’s a pitcher who’ll strike guys out, has decent velocity, and has four pitches to work with: fastball, slider, change up, and a cutter. If he can refine his cutter a bit, he could be a useful reliever down the line.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Just heard Twins' GM on XM, good info and quotes on Ramos, will post in new story once I transcribe...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 29, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey.....
Jon Axford
(Sorry… just wanted to say that!)
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Really starting to look like rizzo swindled ’em.
by lynxtheone on Jul 29, 2010 11:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
if Ramos turns into an everyday catcher...he did
Solid Catcher and Rizzo did the business…heck, maybe even a backup and he’d be an upgrade on Wil.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I think the Nats got to better long term deal, but the Twins want to win this year and they don’t trust Rauch to be the man. Capps will have an immediate impact, that’s what they want. They’re sick of bowing out in the first round.
Watching the O’s try to use strategy is like watching Mike Green trying to figure out the difference between "your" and "you’re"--Terpgrrl
Donation info for SAVES FOR KIDS 2010!! Make a difference.
It'll be nice to have some AL rooting interest other than, "Not the AL East"
Let’s go Twins!
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Wow....great move for the Nats.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
Dare I say it...
…it appears we may actually have a competent GM. All of that hard line stuff with the ChiSox may have helped people realize they are going to have to make sacrifices to get our pieces. And this one went totally under the radar. No rumors, no nothing, just substance.
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by souldrummer on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
IN RIZZO WE TRUST!!!
With that said, DON’T TRADE DUNNKEY!!!!! (IMO)
I will not be doing the GameThread tonight, as I had trouble getting loose beforehand.
by Nationalpastime9 on Jul 29, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all about the right offers.
If he knows Dunn’s going to walk, it’s no fun to play chicken with his agent during the offseason. He got more than fair value for Capps. Closers are supposed to get minor pieces back like the George Sherrill deal did for the Orioles. You don’t get top 100 prospects for closer rentals (I’m assuming the Nats weren’t that interested in offering him arbitration).
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by souldrummer on Jul 29, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Bell was not really a "minor piece" for the O's deal
he’s a highly regarded prospect. but your right in that relievers generally don’t net high profile prospects.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
What was his prospect ranking at the time?
I just looked at baseball-reference and didn’t see him making an MLB impact yet and went from there.
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by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't remember, but he was fairly high in Dodgers system.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 30, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Top 10-15 in all of MLB?
Wow. If so, poor Orioles.
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by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Sickels had him (Bell)
Ranked tenth in the Dodgers’ system for 2009…. C+ prospect.
Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus both had him 8th (BP had him as a three star)
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I was using the Sherrill deal as the comp for Capps in my mind.
That’s kind of what I thought Bell was, probably a significant but not overwhelming prospect, somewhat better than Thompson was for the Marlins. We got a potential stud prospect in Ramos unless they know something about him sinister about him that we don’t. But I trust Rizzo’s scouts and his mojo even better now.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
MLBTR reported the other day that the Twins were asking about Capps and Rizzo had asked about Ramos…. the assumption was that the Twins balked at the idea.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 29, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Why yes. You and I would have laughed at this deal.
The Twins did not. Thank goodness.
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by souldrummer on Jul 29, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Kurkjian was speculating there, have that in new article I'm working on...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
if the Nats were really smart, they’d move Dunn and Willingham too. I’m not trying to insult the Nats, but the fact is that they’re not contending this year and probably not next year either. Why keep those two around if you can get a ton of prospects to help you for the next 8 years?
If they deal those two and get some serious prospects — which they would — they could be set for the next 5-10 years. By 2012, they could easily be one of the best teams in the NL. They have some of the young pieces in place. Why not go all out and build for the future? The Rays did it 5 years ago, and they’re arguably the best team in baseball now.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 29, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
2012 is two seasons away. You don't trade Dunn and Willingham and contend in two seasons just like that
If the right packages come along, then I’m all for it. But it’s not like every trading partner has a farm system on par with Tampa Bay or Texas
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Well, the Braves do….
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 30, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes... If the right deal comes around you do it
And yes, 2012 is two years away. The key is that the prospects that they’re getting aren’t just strong prospects, but guys who should be big league ready quickly. In Ramos, they got a guy who could probably step in and be the backup to Pudge right now (though I suspect he goes to Syracuse so he can continue to get regular AB). He didn’t have a horrible week filling in when Mauer was injured this year. He likely comes up and serves as a backup (getting more regular starts than most backups…. basically a soft platoon) to Pudge next season. The assumption is that he’ll have a year under his belt and some experience heading into 2012 when he likely assumes the role as the primary starter. Catching’s a different animal from most positions.
With Dunn and/or Willingham, the goal is to not only get good prospects, but guys who are going to be at least in AAA and possibly be ready to step in on the big league club next year. 2013 (the final year of Zimm’s deal) would probably be more realistic for true contention, but playing that group of rookies with upside in 2011 will give them much-needed experience to improve the direction of the team by 2012/2013.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
We could probably list these prospects on our fingers and toes
Montero, DJenn, Dustin Ackley, Logan Morrison, Hicks (we’re not trading with the Twins again so this isn’t happening), Wallace, Michael Taylor, Chisenhall, Brignac.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
You certainly have a point there, but
We would have no offense outside of Zim.
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by grizzy on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, and it would be a tough sell to the fans as well, but I think it would be best. But hey, I’m just a worried Braves fan.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 30, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I would trade one of them, just not both.
And sorry, we won’t trade you guys willingham. Hehe ;)
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by grizzy on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We'll trade Willingham to y'all. In return, we'd like:
Moar Teheran, moar Vizcaino, moar Schafer, moar Cofield, and moar Gosselin please.
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Yeah, I'm guessing that'll be the case.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 30, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay.
The Braves need Willingham; many teams need Willingham. Many teams need Dunn as well. Unclear what a rental of Dunn will get us. Willingham can be traded for a king’s ransom this year or he can be moved during the offseason or at next year’s deadline. It all depends on the return you get and what Dunn would sign for. This one is a no-brainer because the prospect is right and the replacement is ready. Willingham and Dunn don’t have a clear replacement unless you are absolutely and completely sold on Michael Morse.
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by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Kinda wish we would move Willingham
Love Dunn too much to see him go, but still want to see us bring in some prospects to build for the Strasburg/Harper era. While I’m not completely sold on Morse I feel like there is no better time than now to give him a shot at some real playing time. I mean why not take a gamble on a guy that has shown some promise for next year or two while we build prospects? There doesn’t seem to be all that much Morse love around here but I don’t think it is out of the realm of possibility that he could put up Hammer-like numbers.
Also longtime lurker first timer poster.
Welcome!
And there is plenty of love for Morse here. Lots of it, just in specific places.
I think the big thing is that we can be competitive sooner than you think, and Willingham would be a part of that. Add the club control, and we better get a king’s ransom to move him.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Thanks for 1st post!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
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by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Making everyone a Nationals fan.
We are the support group
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Welcome to Nats Town
Or Gnats Town as the much-missed Mamba used to call it.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Aw, Mamba...
[sniff]
No one sings to us in game threads anymore.
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Welcome man...
Nice to see more first time posters around here. Join us in a game thread sometime. GO NATZ!
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by grizzy on Jul 30, 2010 1:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
moar trades RZO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
moar willy tvrz
moar morse, trade dunn!
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
less The Atrocious Willie Harris please
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
MOAR PROSPEKCTZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by grizzy on Jul 30, 2010 1:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think this is a great move
It shores up one of the biggest holes in the lineup and potentially creates a battery for years to come with the young pitchers and young catcher.
Good times. Now pay Dunn his money!
by The Herndon Kid on Jul 30, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Target Field is not the Metrodome
but would it not be ironic if the Twins lost game 7 of the WS in a hostile NL ballyard?
Now that would be some bizarro stuff.
Capps win All-star game for NL so that he can lose WS in AL. I’m just rooting for the man to do well. Last year, he was a Pirates reject. Now he’s brought stability and respect to the Nats bullpen, handled himself like a professional, earned his way to the All-Star game, and earned his way to a contender. I hope the man wrecks shop in the AL and makes the Twins feel glad that they’ve made this deal. I don’t need for us to “win” trades. I’d just like the trades to help the organization move forward. Capps blocks Storen. Mauer blocks Ramos. Helps both organizations address needs if Capps does well, but I’m happy with the value we’ve gotten.
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by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I second that
I hope Capps does well too because he’s been everything the Nats have asked and more (or moar if you prefer). He deserves going to the contender, closing out ball games that matter. I think we can all allow ourselves to become temporary Twins fans if Minny makes the postseason. Especially since Rizzo fleeced ’em (or so it appears).
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The general reaction in Twinkie Town
is “We could’ve done better.” Makes me feel fairly good about Wilson Ramos. I have connections in Minneapolis, and liked the Twins already. Now I’ll be pulling for them even more. Though I’d be okay if the White Sox fared well too.
One more thought before retiring: was Wil Nieves ever considered a potential star? I have no idea… just wondering.
was Wil Nieves ever considered a potential star?
Did Randy Quaid ever win an Oscar for his efforts in the National Lampoon’s Vacation movies?
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he won
a plush “Oscar the Grouch” toy.
by Elvin Unseld on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't want to tease anything that might not be true...
But one Nats writer just sent out a tweet asking everyone if it was safe to go to bed yet, and one other writer said simply, “No.” something else might be stirring?
#FWIW…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 12:51 AM EDT reply actions
Oh. My. Lanta.
Rizzo……you are a genius.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:52 AM EDT reply actions
Ship off Dunn and bring in Edwin please (in separate deals)
ducks
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
*(ducks)
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh but I'm completely serious. And I'm right too.
He’ll bring in Jackson, and he’ll be terrific, and I’ll just say I told you so ahead of time.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe in Jackson's ability, but as a plus 4/5 starter and not the potential 2 he'd be here.
Throw in Kelly Johnson and things might change though.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
I'm a lot higher on him than you seem to be, I can see him fitting beautifully into the #3 spot behind Stras/Zim'nn
He’s something we need. We need power pitchers, look at the “pitching pipeline”—outside of the previously mentioned Stras and Zim’nn, they’re all pitchers who rely on the defense, something our team has troubles with. Jackon’s stuff is electric, I can see him getting close to his 2009 numbers in Washington. His 2010 5.01 ERA (although who takes ERA without gigantic grains of salt anymore) is a result of Chase, as I mentioned in one of my fanposts he’s actually pitching BETTER this year than last year.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, and a pitcher of his talent is something worth acquiring
But his market shouldn’t be high, and we should shop around Dunn with the idea of flipping some of our returns for him.
Anyway, since you want to bring a fair argument about his merits and numbers, he does have decent sabr numbers. His 4.39 xFIP isn’t too shabby, and he’s due for some slight positive regression. Flyball guy, but he still keeps the ball in the yard, which is a testament to his stuff, which also has seen his swinging strike percentage be really good during his good seasons.
I just question his focus, since that’s gotten him in trouble in the past and he leaves a lot of balls up.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Fangraphs has his FIP at 4.27 and his xFIP at 4.28
Do you use BR? I tend to use fangraphs for most everything.
Over the past two seasons, the amount of swinging strikes outside the zone have jumped drastically (from 21 to 27 to 29%), as you so aptly pointed out.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoops I pulled up his xFIP from his Tigers season, sorry my bad
I mean I like a guy who has a mid-90s fastball and a mid-80s slider, but it means little if his fastball is left high and he can’t consistently command his slider.
He’d be a decent #3 option in my opinion— definitely has the talent and skill— but it just doesn’t feel that exciting. As a 4 or 5 though, that’s what makes an elite rotation. I just think there’s a reason why he’s been tossed around so much, and traded for Matt Joyce of all people when we Rays fans thought he could have commanded more.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Think about this: 1. Stras 2. Zim'nn 3. Edwin
Now we don’t have to worry about pulling three pitchers out of the cesspit of Lannan/Marquis/Olsen/Martin/Wang/Chico/etc, etc, etc—we would have the luxury of three power pitchers AND not having to rely so heavily on the aforementioned list. Who knows, maybe even four depending on Maya. That takes stress off of the defense and makes our rotation more formidable.
Well, to be fair, didn’t the Rays think they were getting their DH of the future in Matt Joyce? And Jackson didn’t fare too well in the AL Beast.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I like what you're saying, but I'd much rather flip that glut we have in the backend
For another legit pitcher (if we could). Zimm or Edwin as twos or threes just make me shiver. But then again, look at the Padres. They don’t have elite options at 2-5, but they have solid pitchers (enhanced by their defense and park factors) at 2-4 and the best bullpen (value-wise) in the league to cover.
If we could pull ourselves a Ryan Dempster/Paul Maholm or something for Detty and member of the glut, I’d feel so much better.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Oh sure, I'd be estatic if we could flip the glut for a legitimate pitcher
You can never have too much pitching, the adage goes—however, it should be you can never have too much QUALITY pitching. The Nationals have a dozen 4/5 types, which Rizzo should capitalize on if he can (i.e, flipping for Jackson, and if possible another pitcher like you mentioned—I’d love to see Maholm, and if I were Rizzo I’d give it a try)
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
*ecstatic
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
While I'm not a fan of Edwin
I will give you that he’s far better than the AAAA guys. I’m not sure the Diamondbacks would really want them, so it would all depend on how desperate they are to move payroll. Rumor has it that the White Sox have now focused their attention on Edwin….. not to pick him up to be part of a three team deal with the Nats.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The ChiSox have a lot of pressing needs, they need a DH and a pitcher, it should be interesting.
Well, look whom they dealt for in the Dan Haren deal. Jerry over in Arizona doesn’t appear to be the most sabr-savvy guy, so Jackson’s 5.01 ERA is probably scaring him. That and the 8 mill he’s set to make. Which is why Rizzo needs to get on it.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
What a wreck for all of the talent they had
Just imagine if Webb was healthy and effective, how everything could have changed…
I’d take half of their young talent any day. Gimme Drew, Johnson, professional hitter LaRoche, Young, Upton, Parra, even Reynolds and Montero. Sheesh…
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
+1
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that the contract situation is a little frightening as well
An $8 million salary for next season before he’s up for free agency. Call me crazy, but I think that the play is to get athletic (check), a power pitcher (check), young (right in his prime, which isn’t a bad thing… minor check), and cheap (oops) in the deals here.
Personally, I view him more as a #4 type… back end, but he’d be slotted higher with the Nats because there aren’t enough better options. If they can get a starter who is close to big league ready with similar upside (and considerably cheaper), trading him for Jackson wouldn’t seem real logical.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
No, no, no, I agree that trading prospects we receive for Dunn for Jackson would be a bad idea
And I don’t think that’s what Rizzo is planning. I think he’s going to try with some of our AAAA guys (e.g Stammen, etc). I’d still trade Ross Detwiler if we HAD to, although it wouldn’t be my first choice.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Kelly Johnson is a product of Chase though, but I'd take him over the corpse of Cristian Guzman and Adam Kennedy
Although we should be trotting out the General…
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Kelly Johnson is our treasure from the Braves' trash
They treated him like crap, he played like crap in his last season, and now he’s figured out how to play like he can.
Doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t have a career season again— he’s a good player at a value position. I’d take him in a heartbeat
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
His BABIP is in line with his 2007-08 seasons with ATL, however his ISO has understandably (Chase) spiked hugely
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
And his fielding is good
4.3 UZR/150 this year, his career is -3.4.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not allowed to talk about Kelly Johnson's defense
That’s what got me ostracized at Gaslamp Ball. Bad memories, otherwise I’d have apparently non-sensical and arrogant insight for you
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
You need to explain what happened there... lol
You got banned from GB?
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by grizzy on Jul 30, 2010 2:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not banned
But it was ugly, very very ugly, and mostly my fault. I have GLB blocked from my site with parental controls though, haha
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lol..
Over kelly johnson though? That sux.
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by grizzy on Jul 30, 2010 2:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He was being a smart-ass like he normally is
And I wasn’t receptive to that after I tried saying pretty innocuous things, so then it got nasty. And most everyone sided with him, he being one of their own and me a new guy on the block, so it wasn’t pleasant.
I still don’t quite understand how the comment:
“Scouts compare his defense to Mark DeRosa”
could incite so much smart-assery and hate, especially when I refined it by saying that that’s what a scout I know told me when I asked (for doing fantasy prep).
I’m glad I’m here though, so whatevs. Gaslamp can go suck it
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
The gist of it was that
I got into an argument with a pretty dry-cut guy (he’s clear-cut with the stats). Kelly Johnson was mentioned in a thread, he looked at the stats and gave a basic conclusion about his defense, and then I chipped in that I remembered a Braves scout telling me that his defense reminded him of Mark DeRosa.
Then he got all gung-ho snarky and called my claim and my source uncredible, and I fired back, then he fired back by being a smartass (specifically using recursion when I tried to be reasonable), and then it got into a really ugly battle of traditionalism v. sabermetrics, and then I advertised myself a little too much trying to defend myself, and then it cooled down, and then I got really pissed after I saw some behind-my-back smack talk on Twitter, called him out, and then he said something I didn’t like back, and then I got far too dramatic, and then said some nasty things too.
I apologized for everything and it’s generally cool now, but I’m staying away from there for good. And I’m generally letting my love for the Padres slip away too, with it as I let go of the past.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
I'd take Johnson's 2.0 WAR and smile
but I don’t think I’d be so happy about Edwin. Heck, in 2007 Johnson’s WAR was 4.3 and in 2008 it was 3.5. Sorry to post this here, just want to get this in somewhere in this mountain of comments piling up.
I think Johnson’s having a not-so-terrible fielding effort this season with the D-Backs. Average perhaps, but hey, that’s better than previous years.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Johnson's always been a 50-type defense
Plain average. Doesn’t help that the Braves messed up with his positional development, or otherwise he may have figured out things better with the glove as well.
I’ll take him any day of the week plz.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Like the first part
Good thing you ducked for the second part
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Lannan to replace Strasburg on Sunday acc to Mr. Ladson...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions
Oh god no.
I’d rather see Yuniesky Maya pitch than John Lannan. At least there’d be some excitement value.
And don’t anybody bring up ‘sentimentality’ re: Lannan.
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just going to bring that up!
Haha naw, although apparently one of my roommate’s mother taught him in high school biology. Anyway…
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Patrick, any word of Maya? I've been able to find absolutely nothing on him re: plans for this season/next.
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Rizzo said that he would be ready this season, but there's still no official word from the team...
…that he’s even officially signed, though it’s assumed he’s working out visa issues so nothing about when he start yet…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
"he'll start yet"...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Rizzo has been mum re: official signing
Ready this season? So does that mean we could see him later on in September?
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll find the quote...hold please...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
From a Kilgore article:
WAPOST:
“[Rizzo] acknowledged the Nationals have followed Maya for some time and believes Maya, a veteran of the Cuban national team and Cuban National Series, could be added to the Nationals rotation by the end of the season.”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I miss Willy Taveras
TVRZ…..
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:55 AM EDT reply actions
That one good game kept him in the lineup about a month too long.
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
Realizing this is ridiculous...
Ken Rosenthal says the White Sox are frustrated with the Nats and now going for Edwin Jackson themselves, and he’s saying it’s not so they can trade him to DC…he’s about to post a new story…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 2:11 AM EDT reply actions
Yea right...
Rosenthal…
Gosh i hope we dont end up with Jackson for Dunn…whatever happened to Hudson and Danks??? I would have taken that plus some minor league nobodys we usually get.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I’m thinking something like this is going to go down:
Arizona gets Daniel Hudson, Craig Stammen
Chicago gets Adam Dunn
Washington gets Edwin Jackson, Kelly Johnson, Dayan Viciedo
Rizzo would get a 2B, a bright MLB-readyish prospect, and the pitcher he covets. Chicago gets a huge bat in the lineup, Arizona gets some MLB-readyish arms. I don’t think Rizzo is going to give up Dunn unless he is sure it at least appears like the Nats are the winners. Would this type of trade do that? Maybe it seems like too much of a rip-off.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
before I get torn
I think Chicago already said no to trading both Viciedo and Hudson.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
We can't be certain that package was ever discussed
The majority of the rumors always said Beckham and Quentin. Hudson’s name had come up quite frequently as well, but Viciedo’s never really did by any legitimate source.
Still, the assumption is that the White Sox wouldn’t deal Hudson and Viciedo for Dunn. If that were the case, I’d like to think they’d just eliminate the middle man. The Nats would pick up Johnson in the deal as well, but there’s some serious thought that Hudson could do about what Jackson is doing right now……. with six years of club control and a far better surplus value.
Would Kelly Johnson make the difference up? I’m not so sure.
by bluelineswinger on Jul 30, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank god
9:46am: Sox GM Kenny Williams has something big cooking, tweets Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, and if he gets it done the Jackson deal is off.
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
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