Wire Taps: Washington Nationals/Adam Dunn Rumor Roundup.
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 11:11 AM EDT
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PrintMore On Dunn: About six hours ago (the time is stamped on all tweets like this i.c.y.c.) ESPN.com's Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) posted a book-length tweet on the "Nationals at the Deadline" that made me long for the days when stories were published as "serials" in the papers, as Mr. Olney wondered, 140 charachters at a time, over six separate messages, what DC GM Mike Rizzo and the Nats were up to as the Non-Waiver Trade Deadline approached:
"There are 48 hours to go before the trade deadline and it remains to be seen if the Nationals will dig in and make an attempt...to sign Adam Dunn. If they don't, they'd have two choices -- either keep him through the end of the year, which really...wouldn't make any sense, or try to trade him. The White Sox have been aggressive, but are not well-armed to go after...him. You wonder if the teams most motivated to get him will, in the end, be the Rays and the Yankees -- not only to land him...for themselves, but to keep him out of the hands of their division rival. Imagine Dunn hitting 5th for the Rays, or second...for the Yankees.The Nationals say they're not engaged with the NYY at the moment, but the NYY seem to be hovering --as are the Rays."
Mr. Olney, who occassionally hears things, ended the night on Thursday with the following Tweets:
(@Buster_ESPN): "Heard this: The White Sox are saying internally that they are currently out of the mix on Dunn."
(@Buster_ESPN): "The White Sox consider Lance Berkman as one of their Plan B options, now what they don't expect to get Adam Dunn."
FOXSports.com writers Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi (@jon_morosi) were hearing other things, however, as Thursday turned to Friday and the Non-Waiver Trade Deadline drew closer. According to Mr.'s Rosenthal and Morosi, the White Sox had grown tired of waiting for DC GM Mike Rizzo to lower his demands for the return on the Nats' big middle-of-the-order bat. In an article entitled, "White Sox aim to boost rotation", Mr. Rosenthal explained:
"The White Sox, frustrated by their inability to acquire Nationals first baseman Adam Dunn, instead are on the verge of ending up with one of the Nationals’ leading targets: Diamondbacks right-hander Edwin Jackson."
White Sox' pitcher Daniel Hudson's name was once again involved in the talk. Was this a revival of the rumored three-team deals that surfaced last week involving the D-Back, Nats and Sox? Mr. Rosenthal wrote that Washington's deal for Minnesota catching prospect Wilson Ramos could have been a preliminary move:
"A secondary motivation for the deal might have been to clear 2011 payroll for the addition of a pitcher such as Jackson."
As of this morning, however, the Nats were not being mentioned as part of this deal, with USA Today's Bob Nightengale (@bnightengale) Tweeting within the last hour that, "Club officials from the Sox and D-backs are confirming they are close to a deal, sending Edwin Jackson to Sox."
However, ESPN.com's Buster Olney was back with a blog post as well, this one entitled, "Baltimore's New Show", which had a section subtitled, "The Battle for Dunn", in which Mr. Olney once again notes that it's down to the Yankees and Rays, and in Mr. Olney's opinion, "The greatest drama in the last 30 hours before the trade deadline might be the shadow war between arguably the two best teams in the majors over Adam Dunn." Neither team wants the other to add the Nats' middle-of-the-order, Mr. Olney reports, restating what he'd said in last night's tweets, what lengths might they go to ensure it doesn't happen?
29 hours and counting...
• Latest Up To The Minute Update: From FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal (@ken_rosenthal):
Source: Dunn still in play for #WhiteSox, poss 3-way with #D-backs, Jackson would go to #Nationals - or if deal fails, end up...with #WhiteSox. Deal in #Nationals' hands. #WhiteSox's Hudson ends up with #Diamondbacks either way. Highly unlikely to start tonight.
For the record, one of our friends at Nationals Park had the following report this morning on a sign that appeared overnight which reads simply:
"Trade Dunn = Tres Dumb"
The DC Faithful have spoken.
In Rizzo We Trust.
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These guys have decided, apparently, that since they THINK the Nats have to trade Dunn, that the Nats will trade Dunn
Couldn’t it be the case that clearing out salary in the Capps trade is deigned to allow them to get the contract extension for Dunn signed? That makes a whole heckuva lot more sense to me than gaining a(nother) middling starting pitcher like Jackson.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Yeah, I thought Daniel Hudson was the Nats' big target, if he goes to AZ, who are the Nats going to get...
Can’t be Jackson for Dunn straight up, they just got a catcher last night so Flowers doesn’t make sense?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
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by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think this deal affects the Dunn signing at all.
I don’t think that the sides are a meal 2.5M or so apart right now if the deal’s not complete yet. The issue is probably years, not bucks.
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by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The Nationals need to trade Dunn for prospects and use their own pitching glut to get Edwin
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
What pitching glut do we best?
We have an overabundance of AAA pitchers and injury concerns. Strasburg, Zimmermann, Maya, Detwiler, Marquis/Livo is the optimal rotation at the moment and there’s question marks there. Beyond those guys, minimal value unless you want to trade fringy AAA for fringy AAA to try to improve Syracuse’s offense. Once upon a time, Stammen had more value. He doesn’t now and we’d be selling low on him now.
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by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And now this from Rosenthal:
Rival exec still believes #Yankees are in heavy on Dunn. Their “we’re out” message was directed at #Nationals: Quit messing around!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
Yankee's Offer??
I thought we would want the Yanks catching prospect but it seems we just got one so who would we get in reurn from them? The Rays have several pitchers we could pick up also. Edwin Jackson for Dunn straight up woud be terrible trade.
Edwin Jackson wouldn't be straight up, it's be from a series of deals.
And the Rays probably won’t give up Davis or Hell Boy, so who knows…
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Hellickson is Hell Boy. 'Nuff said
Bad ass on both fronts
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Dunn + Ramos for Montero?
Sounds reasonable enough to me.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Who is this Ramos character?
We don’t have anybody named Ramos do we?
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Hellickson was pulled from a AAA start
Could mean that somebody on the ML roster might be wearing a Natty’s jersey soon. But let’s not get our hopes up.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
HELL BOY
Is that man Wade Davis? As a Rays fan, I hope not…
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Hellickson ain't getting traded.
They might be preparing to insert him into the rotation after they trade someone else. Supposedly they’re just limiting his workload for innings count purposes.
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by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I said that right below, haha
He’s coming up very soon, very very soon
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
I was listening to that game though
And it was more of innings control IMO
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Ah. Well, I'm not too high on Davis as everybody else is
And his xFIP is 4.97…
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh it was the product of two rough months
The stuff is there and this is his rookie season really. He has the stuff to be an amazing #2 on a good team someday. At worst, he’s Jeff Neimann, and that’s not too bad either…
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Solid, the ChiSox are looking to acquire Brett Meyers now. We can have E-Jax.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions
Please get "it" done so we can have Edwin, KW
9:46am: Sox GM Kenny Williams has something big cooking, tweets Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, and if he gets it done the Jackson deal is off.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Boooooo! No Edwin Jackson!
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Landing E-Jax would be a boon to the Nationals starting rotation.
Would you rather be trotting out Martin/Chico/Stammen every fifth day and subject the defense to what could be considered cruel and unusual punishment? Or would you rather trade some of them and get a bona finde ML #3 power pitcher?
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want a starting pitcher who can win more than ten freaking games. It's been a while.
Whoever it is…get it done.
Wins are overrated...
mumble
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If wins were a good guiding metric
We could get Ted Lilly for organizational filler
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But we'd be in a bidding war with the Mets!
They’d demand Norris now that we’ve got Ramos.
/half sarcasm’d
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by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the thing isn't us wanted Jackson, it's the fact that he'd be a big piece of what we'd get for Dunn
I don’t have a problem getting E-Jax as a main piece, but: 1) We feel like he’s a throw-in when he’s not, and we want young prospects; 2) Arizona better be throwing in money to cover that salary
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by ajk9hy on Jul 30, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
With E. Jax, it’s all about The Benjamins bay-bee. Get rid of that contract and we’d be talking him as a 4 starter floor guy for at least next year and worth a committed rotation slot.
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by souldrummer on Jul 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
*#3
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like he averages #2
Last year he looked like an All-Star #2 with 4.3 WAR. This year he looks like a baffled #4 with .7WAR.
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I'd rather
The Nats sign Dunn to a 3-year deal. :D
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This remind me...
…Ramos improves us by a bunch. All of a sudden Rizzo has the option to potentially flip Norris if he wants to get more meat in other trades or use him as a core piece in a buyer deal. Better prospect from the Rays if you add Norris into a deal?
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Not a bad thought at all, and it would make the “bidding” war for Dunn all the more interesting because it would favour the Rays heavily, since the Yankees have a good catching prospect already. It could force the Yankees to give up more, or be an offer the Rays simply cannot refuse. I like the sounds of it.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What I think
1) We stand pat and only deal non-core pieces in the offseason, such as the pitching glut near the bottom. At a quick glance in our system, Harper will slot in RF in a few seasons, Norris could be our long-term 1B solution and could catch in relief, and Ramos is our catcher of the future. If Desmond and/or Espinosa turn out to be what they can be, then the infield could be a plus with Zim (who’ll get even better), Desmond/Espinosa, Desmond/Espinosa/someone else, Norris. The outfield could be Wilingham (if we can keep him)/Morse, a CF of the future (Will Venable from the Padres, anyone?), and Harper.
Add a solid rotation with Strassy, J Zim, a free agent add (or two, please) in de la Rosa (and Rich Harden, please?), and we’ll be on the up of things.
or 2) Trade Dunn. We’re obviously not going to get an elite, elite prospect in return unless we pull a heist and wait ‘til the last minute to pull a trade off. Still, Dunn is going to decline in the next few seasons and we have the opportunity to get things in return. Reflecting upon this, receiving E-Jax in a trade would be an amazing option if we’re trying to build a division (and ultimately playoff) contender. If we could get E-Jax (I’m not throwing any Rays please into the mix because of my allegiances) and another high upside prospect of two (the C/C+ range because of fixable concerns), Dunn should go.
And we always have the chance to resign Employee #44 for 2-4 more seasons in the off-season. If we can commit to increasing payroll, looking at guys like Arroyo, de la Rosa, and Harden, then I can live without the one draft pick we lose.
And on the glut note, if we can package some of these low-end guys and try and convince contending teams that they have a Chan-Ho Park (a la Padres) or Shawn Cacon on their hands, then MOAR RIZZO HEISTS!
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
My guess is
that if the Nats trade Dunn, he will never sign with the Nats again.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
That's what I would think
But crazier things have happened and I’m sure Rizzo is whispering that in his ears— help us now and we’ll reward you later.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
If Dunn's about winning, he should be open to it.
Plus you expect that we’d be willing to pay him more in the offseason based on the value he’d be adding by being a good rental soldier this offseason. You give him a predeadline offer and a post deadline offer and let him know we’re paid to pay market price plus. Dunn seems like a guy whose motivated by some extra-economic reasons and I do think that he’d be gone if we didn’t sign him.
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Think about Jim Thome last year, yeah.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think that Rizzo is telling him that, no.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dunn's more about loyalty
I’m pretty sure that if the Nats trade him, he’ll be far too annoyed with them for stringing him along all year to even pick up the phone when Rizzo calls.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
That Rosenthal trade makes no sense.
If we did that three way deal, I’d be slightly upset. That would basically be saying that we value EJax over controlled quality prospect Hudson and that ain’t really what we should be doing.
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I agree with this
And, Jackson’s not that good, and hasn’t been for a while. And he’s not far from free agency.
Oh, yeah, Steve Phillips is talking about that trade as well.
""Imagine if you go there to see Miss Universe and you end up having Miss Iowa..." - Miguel Batista
False.
Jackson was very good last year and has been this year. What are you talking about “Jackson’s not that good, and hasn’t been for a while”? The past two years have been the best of his career.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid Kenny Williams, stealing him from us. What a jerk.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think he wants E-Jax though?
He’s pressuring us
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Well they do need a pitcher, and KW saw him up close and personal last year with the Tigers.
I would think that this might have something to do with the Nattys though.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It certainly does.
Hudson was one of the guys we would have wanted for Dunn. We’ve got to look farther down the chain and this deal is part of the reason why they may have been truthful when they were talking about pulling out of the Dunn sweepstakes.
The ChiSox are really going hard after this year, though. Picking up salary while further depleting their top prospects. They play by different rules. That’s why they’re “The Club”.
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Not this year.
This year he’s got a 5.16 ERA and has allowed a league high 77 runs in the NL. You are switching this man to the harder hitting AL. He’s got the potential to be better but he hasn’t shown it this year yet. My only thinking is that maybe some of his performance drop could be having to stay in games longer because of the total lack of bullpen help in AZ. Maybe if you shorten his outing a little bit with guys like Putz, Thornton, and Jenks (who hasn’t been that good this year, a reminder closers can fall off a cliff at 7.5 mil high prices) helping to put him in better situations.
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Souldrummer, souldrummer, souldrummer...
We both know about ERA—it’s a bogus stat. Please don’t bring it up to support your argument. His FIP and xFIP are both 4.27—the best of his entire career and he’s been worth 2 WAR (1.9). His swinging strike percentage and his strikeouts have both gone up.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. I probably should move from quoting ERA only sometimes and should quote at least WAR too.
The WAR though is debatable. I keep seeing these discrepancies in WAR between Fangraphs and baseball-reference.com. On baseball-reference.com he’s dropped from a 4.3 WAR to a .7WAR. Strikeouts are out, but so is the WHIP. WHIP has gone from 1.262 to 1.496 WHIP. K/BB is down too from, 2.30 to 1.73. On fangraphs, he’s dropped from 3.5WAR to 1.9WAR.
The walks are a major concern for me. Moving from the NL to the AL would be a concern for me if I was the ChiSox but not enough a concern to doubt that he’s an improvement to their rotation in the short term for what they currently have. The fangraphs/baseball-reference.com discrepancy shows to me that all this WAR and xFIP, and FIP stuff is certainly good in pointing which direction to point from current stats but it’s hard to use them as fully accurate predictors either way. Any team that wanted Jackson must have heavily scouted him and tried to figure out whether they think they can get better results out of him.
How is Arizona defensively? I know that we make a lot of errors (another useless staff), and I don’t know whether are team defense would help or hurt Jackson’s results relative to Arizona.
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Yeah the fangraphs-BR discrepancies are very annoying when discussing.
Re: the DBacks defense, they’re very bad in DRS but fifth in UZR. Chase is what is inflating his ERA.
Okay, fair enough, you got me with the WHIP, I don’t have an explanation for that.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
DRS?
I know some new stats but have forgotten which one that one is.
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Defensive Runs Saved
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, "not that good" is an understatement to Jackson
I’ll say that. Jackson is good.
His K’s went up this year, but his walks also went up by about a similar rate.He does get a lot of ground balls.
He’s a really nice pitcher to have, but not worth trading Dunn for., especially considering that he’s the only true power hitter on the market without a no-trade clause (assuming Fielder isn’t available) and he’s a near lock to be offered arbitration.
And considering he’s making 8.4MM next year and is a free agent after the 2011 season. He’s not making really less than straight market value next year. He’s really cheap this year, but next year is what matters.
Needs moar dingerz.
His walks went up by more than a similar rate.
K’s went from 6.8/9 to 7.0/9
BB’s went from 2.9/9 (way lower than career walk numbers) to 4.0/9, much more consistent for career numbers. You’re going to be witnessing a lot of walks at Nats Park if you get this guy. Plus the focus is 2012 and he’s not under contract for 2012. If we’re making this move thinking we’re going to improve enough next year, we’re not looking at our lineup minus Dunn objectively.
I think that I’d rather play agent chicken with Dunn after the deadline and take the money and draft picks than get Edwin Jckson.
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Same.
Either Dunn on a 1 year deal (awesome) or two draft picks.
Although, Rizzo has to say that he’ll eat any portion of Dunn’s salary if really nice prospect talent is coming this way. As in, considering that Peavy’s out for the season, KW trying to trade Beckham for Dunn (and maybe some bullpen help) if all the salary’s eaten, with Konerko and Co. all impending FAs, isn’t too far-fetched.
Needs moar dingerz.
Dunn's not going to sign a 1 year deal.
He shouldn’t take less than a 3 year deal. He got 2 years 20Mil last time and it seems to me that he’s outperformed that contract by maintaining/exceeding offensive performance in an increasingly pitcher friendly league environment while radically improving his defense.
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Three year deal is market, we should reward him with a front-loaded 4 year deal IMO
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
+1
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
My Ducats! My Dunn!
[/Shylock]
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
I meant accepting arbitration
If you don’t think he’d ever sign a 1 year deal, then if he’s offered arb, he’ll decline. Simple as that. I don’t think he’d sign a 1 year deal, unless it was in arb and thus 1 year but way “over market” for that year (1/15 or so).
I think with how stupidly undervalued Dunn’s skill-set is by the league, that’s a plausible scenario. Dunn’s the best at what he does.
Teams are starting to ridiculously undervalue power, and high-OBP sluggers, which is why Jim Thome signed for 3MM at the end of the offseason, Jack Cust got DFA’d and actually cleared waivers, and not a single DH-type guy has been traded yet despite contenders with desperate needs.
Needs moar dingerz.
I don't know what numbers you look at, but
unimpressive walk totals,
unimpressive strikeout totals
===>
unimpressive pitcher.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Looks to me like he had a big year in one of the most defensive friendly parks in the AL...
…and he’s been overvalued as #2 since then. The K/BB rate is a major concern for me. The contract pushes me over the top. Edwin Jackson is Do Not Want for me. I think he’s a #4 starter on our team next year and I don’t want to pay 8.6M for a #4.
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I don't think he's a #2, a #3, sure.
The thing is that the Nationals need him. They need a power pitcher someone who we don’t have to worry about (see: Olsen, Chico, Martin, Stammen, etc). Think of it like bullpen linking. By putting him in the three spot, that’ll only mean we have to worry about two more spots, and only have to take two from the garbage heap, making our rotation that much better.
Of course, it’s not going to happen seeing as he’s on the ChiSox.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There's better pitchers available
on the free agent market.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
But will the FO spend to get them? We don't know if they will.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, I'd love De La Rosa and his 3.61 xFIP.
He also strikes out 9.89 batters per nine.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll command maybe $6-7M max on a short-term deal. Take him plz.
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That's not the question
But, in the end, I think they definitely will spend money this offseason.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
I agree that they are going to raise some payroll.
I’m not skilled on the full payroll projections for next year that includes the raises in Zim’s contract and the arbitration raises to guy like Willingham. They should be willing to take on salary if they’re serious about contending, though.
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7 K/9 is better than anybody the Nationals have right now in the rotation.
Like I mentioned earlier, his FIP and xFIP are the best of his career.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The current rotation is not the correct metric
Next year’s rotation will have Strasburg and Zimmermann, both of whom have much better than 7 K/IP. And 7K/IP is very misleading anyway — it’s 6.3 K/IP if you look back the last three years. The NL West has a LOT of bad hitters.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Like I've said a few times, putting him behind Stras and Zim'nn will enable us to have only two pitchers out of the garbage heap.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm willing to hold off and actually see what the inventory does unless I'm getting pitching prospects who are cheap and controlled through 2012
Where’s bluelineswinger when I need him? ;-)
EJax only makes sense if we’re contending next year. He’s not under contract past that. And how are we contending next year if we subtract Dunn’s bat and don’t spend to upgrade at least some of that offensive dropoff.
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And our rotation is trash right now!
None of these guys we currently have is more than a 5th starter except Livo for the moment who has swiped John Lannan’s peripheral defying stats for sure.
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Wil Nieves...
…is currently praying that Ramos is assigned to Syracuse. Personally, I hope that he is and that we wait until a September call up. Syracuse has suffered massive attrition, Ramos wasn’t raking in AAA this year, and unless he’s your every day catcher he’s not ready to be here. Of course, we said that about Flores every year and every year somebody got hurt and we needed him.
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Jon Heyman just reported that the D-Backs have acquired Daniel Hudson and David Holmberg...
…for Edwin Jackson.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
2-3...?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably 2-3.
FA after 2011 season
""Imagine if you go there to see Miss Universe and you end up having Miss Iowa..." - Miguel Batista
God DAMNIT
Stupid freaking Kenny Williams.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The DBacks learned their lesson from Haren and pulled off their own Haren
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Yeah, that was a nice haul. Although I can't wait for Jerry to make a comment about E-Jax's ERA. Smh.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I say do not trade Adam Dunn...
any updates on the Hammer, Guzman..?
Also, lets give Roy Oswalt a nice NL East welcome tonight.
"We're starting to get into Plush mode," Nyjer Morgan said
Nothing but Dunn talk right now....
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a lot of smoke at this point and little sign that the sides are moving closer to a deal.
At the very least, Rizzo’s taking more calls than he was before.
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Wilson Ramos is heading to Syracuse...
who is in the midst of a 9 games losing streak which has seen them blow their wild card lead…
"We're starting to get into Plush mode," Nyjer Morgan said
I saw them lose to the Pirates AAA a little while ago.
Jesus it looked like the Pawtucket Red Sox. Jonathan Van Every, Brandon Moss, etc.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Pirates farm has certainly improved as of late.
Our high minors are currently experiencing the Bowden pain. Syracuse’s lead was based on guys like Josh Whitesell who hit the road for Japan, Chase Lambin’s hot start, and the Nats being yet to pilfer their rotation. Atilano and Martin were supposed to be quality AAA rotation pieces for them, not starters in DC.
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Chiefs need a prospect more than a win.
Right now, their only prospect is Jmin. I rush through their boxscores these days.
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Phil Wood is on WJFK
…“I feel like a need nametag, I haven’t been around for awhile. I figure you guys have been talking about LeBron James.” Phil Wood’s the man.
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Phil Wood on WJFK
It’s still even money that Dunn gets traded. Raises the possibility that ChiSox could now be trying to trade Jackson to the Nats anyways. Doesn’t mention John Lannan coming back yet. Not worried about Strasburg yet. Asking Phil about Buck Showalter, predicts 14-43 for the BoSox the way out. New coaching staff, culture, scouting staff, PR staff and stuff. They’re steal 3 years away from a .500 record. "Mike Wise: “Nick Markakis might have something to say about that” “Phil Wood: he might able to do it bilingually.” Phil Wood is priceless. I did learn that WJFK’s Phil Wood baseball show from 4-6PM on Sundays at least. I’ll have to add that to the away day game rotation.
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He thinks the Red Sox are going to go 14-43 for the rest of the year?
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops. Typos.
Asking Phil about Buck Showalter, predicts 14-43 for theBoSoxOrioles the way out.
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Hahaha thank god
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That's pretty insulting
Very few teams have ever gone an extended period with a <.250 winning percentage.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Did you ever think the Birds were a 32-70 team in the first place?
I thought they had more talent than that
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They just sold Miggy.
But they’ll get Roberts back. Who really cares about the O’s anyways? They’re one of the bottom 3 teams in the league anyways. I was just trying to report what he said. At least WJFK has a baseball radio show Sundays and brought Phil Wood on. I did email Thom Loverro about his Matt Capps trade discussion earlier in the week and I appreciate that he at least took the time to write me back. Thom’s the most baseball open of the guys I hear on the radio consistently these days.
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Latest updates...
Kurkjian tells Bowden Nats told him they’re not trading Dunn for E. Jackson…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
Oh thank god BOWDEN said so.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Man Holden and Arrington are doing two baseball interviews today.
Zuckerman’s coming on too.
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AdamKilgoreWP As expected, the #Nats replace Matt Capps's roster spot with Atahualpa Severino from Class AAA Syracuse.
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by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
It's Huapa Time!!!
Wilkamania will have to wait. Should be fun for the P-Nats fans. Huapa was well-loved in Potomac if I remember.
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The other side of this is that it may free up Burnett for a larger setup or closing contribution.
He won’t be looked at as the only LOOGY option with both Slaten and Severino as other lefties in the bullpen. But I just checked him out minor league splits for this year, and righties are hitting worse against him this year. Be interesting to see how he’s used. Balester and Severino must be pinching themselves to get the call before September.
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ANOTHER lefty who only gets out righties?
People, this bullpen is FAIL at LOOGY.
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