Wire Taps: Washington Nationals Not Trading Adam Dunn For Edwin Jackson According To Reports...
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 1:51 PM EDT
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PrintIf the source of this latest update wasn't quoting another source I'd be less likely to believe, but within the last few minutes, former DC GM Jim Bowden posted the following message via his Twitter account (@JimBowdenXMFOX):
"Tim Kurkjian of ESPN reporting that Nationals told him directly they are NOT trading Dunn to White Sox for Edwin Jackson."
So they're trading him for someone else? Ahhh, ambiguity...
As has been reported earlier this afternoon, the White Sox and Diamondbacks completed a trade that sent Jackson to Chicago in return for RHP Daniel Hudson and LHP David Holmberg, which had many speculating that Jackson might then be flipped to the Nats who reportedly covet the 26-year-old right-handed Jackson.
USA Today's Bob Nightengale (@bnightengale), however, is still reporting within the last few minutes that the White Sox are still, "...focused only on Dunn; not Berkman or Fielder."
Meanwhile, MLB.com's Bill Ladson (@washingnats) has humorously been providing hourly updates on Adam Dunn's activities:
"As of 1:12 p.m. ET, #Nats 1B Adam Dunn is at the movies and has not been told anything -- traded or extension."
...More news rumors when it's they're available...
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The Nats were keen on Daniel Hudson
So does that mean talks with the Sox are off. The Rays are stocked with prospects. Really Dunn makes more sense going to the Rays than the Sox. Come on Nats, make something happen.
Why not us? Why not now?
I'd love to get one of their pitchers plus Brignac
But it seems like they think he’s a solution for them, unfortunately. Beckham has not impressed since being drafted.
The Rays need him more than the Yankees. But the Yankees don’t want the Rays to get him. Bidding war?
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I seriously hope that he goes to the Rays if we trade him.
I like to root for former Nats when they find greener pastures. Rooting for Capps in Minny is a no-brainer. For Dunn to go the Evil Empire would confuse my allegiance computer and possibly cause it to shut down.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
You don't want Dunn to go to the Rays because of the cost in prospects, correct?
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
I don’t see how he fits in the Yankees lineup. Batting second, DH only. They have a revolving door at DH with Tex, Posada, the other old guys on that team. The Rays covet a power hitting DH. Plus Dunn is a relatively cheap rent a player. If I am a the GM of the Rays I make a splash, because I have a ton of prospects. I can part with one.
Why not us? Why not now?
+1
They don’t have to give up Jennings or Hellickson. At some point, there’s enough prospects to go for the brass ring if your the Rays. ajk knows the system better than me, but isn’t like the 4th or 5th prospect in the Rays system going to be worth it if it they could eliminate the evil empire from the playoffs.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Excuse me
We’re getting Hellickson, Brignac, Davis, and Jennings. Rizzo’s said so.
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be happy with a Colome/Torres package, maybe swap Matt Sweeney for one of the pitchers
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
And Crawford's a FA after the season
as is Pena.
That team changes after this season. They’ll still be good, but IDK if they’re beating up the two mega-empires next year.
Needs moar dingerz.
They're good enough
Crawford will be directly replaced by DJenn (unless we pony up and resign CC, which we can do if he takes a mil or so less).
Pena is valuable and we don’t have a direct ready-made replacement, but we’ll take our losses with Zobrist/Dan Johnson for now.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
I believe ChiSox are out.
They wanted more than Hudson from the get go from what it sounds like, and there really is little that they should want from the ChiSox after getting good value from the Twins for Capps.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
I don't see him trading Beckham.
The common thread through the leaking sieve that is the ChiSox is not doing anything that hurts them on the field this year. Who do they replace Beckham with if they trade him?
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Ah, Guz.
Whose passion for competition and playoff drive will lead him to waive his 5 and 10 rights.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
We love you, man.
But if they sign Guz back for more than 1M next year and a very part time role most of us here will go after Rizzo with pitchforks.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
I hear Toronto doesn't want Aaron Hill anymore, since he sucks.
We’ll trade some home-run syringes for him, pretty please?
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
But Guz is the last original NAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Sorry, Livo)
It’s sentimental value for me. Hitting .300 doesn’t hurt either.
Screech's Godson
Haha true true
And that first year brought some good times if I recall right
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Lol. Kinda hard to remember since I was 12 during that season.
But Guz wasn’t as good then as he is now.
Screech's Godson
I REMEBER THAT!!!!!
Jason Simontacci, Levale Spiegner, Ryan Wagner, Shawn Hill, Mike Bacsik… Memories
Screech's Godson
I always like Shawn Hill
Hoepfully he gets back to the majors
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Remember that time he had a no-hitter going then took himself out b/c of his elbow?
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Yet they were willing to trade Hudson for Dunn
or, now, trade Jackson in a deal for Dunn.
Unless you think Freddy Garcia is good, and is going to be decent for the rest of the season, the fact that MLB-level pitching was in play for Dunn already makes you think they’re willing to trade pieces off their MLB roster. And that they’re willing to trade Jackson for Dunn.
But then, I agree that its heavily unlikely, unless someone else were going to Chicago as well, or Rizzo was eating a lot of Dunn’s salary.
Needs moar dingerz.
Beckham's hit in July.
.998 OPS in July spanning 21 games.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Jackson walks too many people. His ERA is over 5 this year. Please no Jackson.
Why not us? Why not now?
ERA equals bad. His walks rep is exaggerated.
He’s not terrible and he’s a quality piece on any team.
But albeit, in the right role.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Other than the Rays/Death Star/Pink Hat/Fillies/Cards/Giants, he's a solid #3 with 2 ability
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
I think he could be a minor ace.
He just hasn’t put it together yet, and he’s already 27(?)
Screech's Godson
Well, that's what the Dodgers/Rays/Tigers/DBacks hoped to tap into
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
I'm still not compelled that keeping Dunn for the rest of the year and offering arbitration is a such a bad scenario
It might be because I don’t like midseason trades for aesthetic reasons but I guess it’s just one of the sad things about pro sports, seeing your boys go elsewhere
Sox will end up dealing Jackson to the Nats and then acquiring Brett Myers.
Why not us? Why not now?
Ladson:
washingnats: Guzman traded to #Rangers for prospects #Nats http://bit.ly/bN5VKw
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 3:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but no…………………………………….. sad but good for us
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
[salutes]
[then celebrates]
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
Sums up my opinion of this too.
Glad to have had you, Cristian, but have a nice trip to Texas.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
[and there was much rejoicing...]
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
C'mon man.
Rangers should win the division. That doesn’t affect the Rays too much. Isn’t your rotation deeper than their’s anyway. Make a move to bolster your offense a bit, and you’re good with the Rays for the wildcard and a threat to take down the Bombers in the playoffs.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
I meant sad for the Nats to let him go, and good for the Nats to get rid of him
I’m not worried about the Rays at all, I’m ready for the call ups and this seasons with the Death Star this weekend.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
And man are the Rangers loading up to take down the death star
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Well, um...
I guess it’s cool since Kennedy hits well against Oswalt, but what are we doing for 2B tomorrow?
Resigning Kennedy? Say it ain’t so.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
FA Market from what I've heard...no idea as for particulars...
Several folks here are about to yell “ESPINOSA!” I assume, though it’s 40/60 as to whether he’s ready for the majors yet…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Platooning Kennedy and Gonzalez and Desmond?
Maybe adding Thrillie Harris and Zim to the “non-first-base-infield” platoon?
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Please no.
He’s not ready yet. Bowden’s the guy that rushes the prospects too much, not Rizzo.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Some might claim he rushed Desmond...
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Orlando Hudson
Strasburgeddon approaches, the savior is almost here.
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I say play Kennedy every day.
Don’t need to see lefty Willie Harris at 2B. Gonzalez is your backup. Will be interested to see who gets the roster slot. Orr? Lambin?
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Au revoir, Cristian
Frankly shocked he waived his 5 & 10 rights.
Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com
by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 30, 2010 3:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably wants to be a full-time shortstop.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
I'm surprised too
But the Rangers present something pretty special and unique.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
My god this is good news. Trading him for a bag of balls is good.
It will be interesting to see what the cash looks like for this deal. Guzman ain’t cheap for the Rangers money wise and I’ll be interested to see what the prospects are.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Who's he?
Don’t know the Rangers system well at all.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Traded for A-Rod in '03.
Middle Infielder… Same type hitting skills as the General.
Screech's Godson
I think it'll take more than Arias if we're footing money, but they aren't giving up anyone in their top 10
Which is more like every other team’s top 5. Minus Smoak, they’ve stole contributors for almost nothing.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Article for what we know so far
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2010/07/nationals_trade_cristian_guzma.html
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Kilgore said he was sad to do so, but agreed...
Au Revoir Guzman…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, NICE.
Yes please.
Now I want to see what the prospects are. The Rangers have to make other teams eat salary. That means prospects costs are up.
Needs moar dingerz.
And the Rangers have arguably the deepest system in the majors
That’s why the can make all of these trades right now. Cantu was a fabulous pickup and Guz will strengthen their bench.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
No one has the prospects yet...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 30, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking we get an infielder and a reliever
At least one of whom is at AAA already.
My bet? Esteban German and a B+ pitcher at high-A level.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Or, hey, I'd take Michael Ballard plus someone.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Why would we want Germán?
Old, maybe a better version of Kennedy. Give me a solid AA prospect plz.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
You're right, didn't see his age.
Inbarren or Petit then.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
If it's Arias plus someone, good trade. If it's Arias only, bad trade.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Thats because they hate his guts though
I bet it’ll be a PTBNL and we’ll do an audit of their system to find the right guys.
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
YES!!!
“JIM BOWDEN JimBowdenXMFOX
Nationals get two pitching prospect for Cristian Guzman…Bill Ladson reporting they are good prospect but not ML ready " – LONE STAR BALL
Screech's Godson
Arias is def. MLB-ready...
So thank you, no Arias.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Oh, and pitching prospects. Right.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
I'm not sold on Ross.
But I’d give him a shot. Main likewise.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
How about Beau Jones?
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Haha no chance, unfortunately
I like how its getting to the point that we’re just listing their BA top 10 list, haha
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Exactly. I'm thinking we take one of those and one not on that list.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
So was Guz
A few years ago.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Really oh I never caught that, I swear I remember hearing his name on the radio
There goes my credibility
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Oh sheesh, I heard him on the Flying Squirrels telecast
Goodness I’m so dumb, sorry about that
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Thought Main ended up getting left out of that deal
this says Chris Ray and a player to be named later but I’m not sure
No main was in the deal.
He’s playing in Richmond right now with the Giants AA affiliate
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Martin Perez?
Any chance?
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
0.000001% chance.
I will make a sacrifial altar to Mike Rizzo if he somehow does get Perez.
Screech's Godson
You realize that he's arguably their best prospect right now?
I would make a sacrificial altar to Rizzo if that happened
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Oh, of course.
But I WANT HIM.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
bai bai forevar guz
Well, probably forever.
heal, Lulu, heal!
by sweetpearacer on Jul 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, less pitching, moar dingerz.
So leave Dunner here forevar plox or I will be a sad panda.
heal, Lulu, heal!
by sweetpearacer on Jul 30, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunn staying at 50-50 chance?
Adam Kilgore reports that Dunn believes he’s got a 50-50 chance of being a National after the deadline.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Guz Trade:
TR Sullivan Sullivan_Ranger
“Nationals getting pitcher Ryan Tatusko in deal”
Screech's Godson
Tatsuko? Really?
Not bad, not great.
Another one at his level or slightly better and that’s about what Guzman’s worth.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Well, we are eating all his salary
Rizzo's Checklist:
1. Trade Adam Dunn for high-impact/ML-ready prospects [ ]
1a. If not, trade Josh Willingham [ ]
1b. Bring up Justin Maxwell to replace Morse as 4th OF, Morse to play 1B
2. Trade Matt Capps [x]
3. Trade Livo [ ]/AK47 [ ]/TAWH [ ]/Guz [x] for anything
4. Trade for E-Jax [ ]
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
All of it?
We’d better not be. Texas better pick up at least $2M of it.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Texas can't add payroll.
They’re not paying probably more than 1MM, tops. They only paid 2MM of Cliff Lee’s 4MM salary I think. The other guy who’s not Tatsuko probably is the better guy
Needs moar dingerz.
They can't
They are bankrupt and mandated by the MLB to take as minimal of salary as possible, usually close to nil but at most vet’s minimum
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
They can if they trade us someone who costs a lot for them.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
Eh I trust Rizzo on this one
High upside, I just asked someone who knows their system really well and he told me that Tatsuko’s recently touched 94-95 on his FB, so I guess it’s a workable piece
Sunshine will come to Nats Park, I promise.
Wrote about him in the guzzie thread
Rizzo's Checklist:
1. Trade Adam Dunn for high-impact/ML-ready prospects [ ]
1a. If not, trade Josh Willingham [ ]
1c. Bring up Justin Maxwell to replace Morse as 4th OF, Morse to play 1B
2. Trade Matt Capps [x]
3. Trade Livo [ ]/AK47 [ ]/TAWH [ ]/Guz [x] for anything
by StrasburgSavior on Jul 30, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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