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Wire Taps: Sirius/XM And MASN's Rob Dibble On His Stephen Strasburg Rant And The Response It Received.

I brought Rob Dibble's comments about Stephen Strasburg's injury up in last night's post game report, while noting that I rarely take the time to get involved in trashing the Sirius/XM Radio host and MASN Nats tv analyst because I'm not interested in personal attacks, but knowing that his comments angered some Nats fans who read them, I decided that it was only fair to share Mr. Dibble's reaction to what was said and written about his Strasburg rant, the full text of which can be read in the Washington Post's Dan Steinberg's D.C. Sports Bog post entitled, "Rob Dibble to Stephen Strasburg: "Suck it up". Mr. Dibble began his commentary this morning on his Sirius/XM MLB Network Radio show "First Pitch", by stating that the D.C.-based writers are trying to, "...take what I said yesterday and twist it, like they always do," and to be fair, though Mr. Steinberg provides the full transcript of Dibble's comments in his story, admittedly, most other stories on the subject (including my own) simply pulled quotes, so Dibble's sort-of right there. Here's the rest of his response to the criticism from this morning: 

Rob Dibble: "You and I [to co-host Jim Memolo] when we go on the air, we're very prepared, and yesterday when I went on the air, I knew exactly what the Philly doctor that looked at Stephen Strasburg had said. And people will think that, 'He pops of and he says this and that,' the Philly doctor that examined Stephen Strasburg said he should be ready to throw in five days. Pitch in a game? No. But throw, and he threw the next day, he long-tossed the next day. So, that being said, some of my opinions, that have nothing to do with my other job, because we manage all 30 teams on this show, were based on that....

(cont)...

Star-divide

Rob Dibble: "Now, he's getting an arthrogram, and what's an arthrogram? Well, that's a more invasive test than an MRI. An arthrogram is actually an injection of an iodine solution, which shows up under x-ray, where an x-ray technician and a doctor are sitting there manipulating a needle that's put in your elbow to show your joint and to show your flexor tendon and to show your ligaments, to show all that stuff in your elbow. That being said, I've had elbow surgery, I've had two reconstructed shoulders and, you know, what really ticks me off, Jim, is when bloggers, who have no information, and have not talked to doctors, have no on-the-field information will rip into me and say, 'Oh, yeah, Dibble told him to suck it up.' First of all, if you're hurt, you can't suck it up, so that's a moot point, but if you're not hurt, that's what I was talking about. If you're not hurt and your arm's fine, then keep pitching...[Mr. Memolo starts to interject, but Dibble continues]...But, for me, you know, you and I, we have, oh my goodness, 30 years, 40 years experience, I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon, and so they can try and twist it any way they want, and if a guy's hurt, he's hurt, he's going to go on the disabled list, it's a moot point, but if he's not hurt, get your butt out there and play....they're two totally different scenarios, so, you know, stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." 

I'm not offering any commentary. Mr. Dibble was ripped just about everywhere, and he responded. That's his response. Another round of responses to his response are sure to follow...as the idea that no publicity is bad publicity is once again put to the test...

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Well, we're the bloggers, I guess.

I’m sure that he doesn’t like them too much because they make some of his minor mistakes look major. I will agree that taking them out of context did hurt him a little bit. He was advising Strasburg to pitch through some pain like he did in his career and like other pitchers like Stammen and Lannan have pitched through pain at times this year. What makes that foolish to me is that he actually showed visible signs of pain and he’s a much more significant investment than those two back of the rotation guys.

When you’re Rob Dibble, reliever whose job is to pitch one inning at a time and who is not so expensive, you pitch through pain. I believe most relievers do. Does it shorten their careers or weaken their stuff in the long run? I don’t know, but may relievers fall off of a cliff.

When you’re Stephen Strasburg and you’ve got the highest bonus in history, you don’t pitch through pain. And when you’re the color guy for the Nationals it would be better if whatever you said didn’t panic the fan base or attack one of the core group of fans. If you attack the bloggers and the constituency they represent, you’re ticking off the type of people who are likely to watch MASN consistently and go to games. Doesn’t seem to be the smartest move unless you just like to stir up controversy.

But hey, it’s not like I’m going to start watching MASN anyways. What will be very intriguing is if Goessling or Zuckerman or some of the more established beat guys respond to Dibble in the objective and journalistic ways that he might accept. Steinberg isn’t really a reporter or beat guy so his comments and reporting shouldn’t carry as much weight.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Aug 24, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen.

From the WaPo comments:

Rob Dibble had three years as a fantastic relief pitcher, two years as a really good relief pitcher, and two years as a horrible relief pitcher. His career, during which he pitched a total of 477 innings, ended at age 31 due to injury.

Not exactly the paragon of long term greatness. He was a late round draft pick who had to stay on the hill by any means necessary or risk getting passed. Maybe it’s time we consider a pitcher with long term health and some ties to the system who can speak to Strasburg’s issues a little better. Expos, Nats fans, or Kasten fans got any names?

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Aug 24, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh...

While his comments were taken out of context, they still had the same message. Yes he wants Strasburg to pitch through pain, but then you look at the interview between Slowes and Riggs before the game last night and Riggs brings up the fact that is J-Zimm brings up his pain earlier we have him back 2 months ago. There’s a big difference between pitching through pain and pitching injured. And unless you’ve been “injured” before you don’t necessarily know the difference. He wasn’t sure, brought the trainers in, wanted to stay in the game and the staff said no. And Dibble really wants to pin that on the kid?

First he insults the most recognizable face in the fanchise, and now goes after the people that a large number of real fans get their information from. He is quickly running himself out of town and I for one have no problem with a new partner for Bob next year.

by Sultan_Of_Stat on Aug 24, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Strasburg had the reaction he did...

And Riggleman and his staff just left him in and he got further injured, I would be the one ranting. Stras is young, in the future he’ll know how to do deal with stuff like this or the stiff shoulder from the last time he was pulled. Til the don’t discourage his honest reactions. Too many injured Nats’ pitchers have revealed their ailments only after they were injured.

And thanks for adding to conversation, SoS.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Aug 24, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

With all due respect

I cry no tears for bloggers. Most are not held under anywhere near the same fine microscope as Dibble/Carpenter and those guys are. They blast Dibble; Dibble blasts them. Who cares?

I do think Dibbles comments are unfortunate, but then again I think a lot of the bloggers comments on the other side of the fence have been unfortunate. Everybody thinks they have to fill up the information sphere with their opinions on everything, no matter how ill-informed they are on the subject at hand.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Aug 24, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

make no mistake here...

Dibble was not referring to bloggers in general in his comments. they were aimed specifically at Steinberg, and the rest of us got caught up in the backwash.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Aug 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems foolish to take on the Post

i imagine they have more credibility than he does. I usually support Dibble, but playing the bloggers in pajamas card is just dumb.

by The Herndon Kid on Aug 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Livan.

This guy never, ever gets hurt. If you want a super-durable guy to talk about durability, there you go.

in response to :

Expos, Nats fans, or Kasten fans got any names?

Needs moar dingerz.

by Blicks on Aug 24, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I wasn't clear.

I meant for the booth, not the team. I’m certainly down with bringing Livo back if we’re going to pay the right price and not be loyal to him but so long if starts like last night’s are the rule and not the exception.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Aug 24, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

After last night

(and the previous 3 or 4 seasons) I’m not sure this is the best attribute for him.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Aug 24, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Maybe I should edit my post. I don’t think I will as my points still are true, but Dibble just burries himself deeper. With the popularity of the internet do people really think the nerdy little blogger stereotype plays anymore. To me Dibble is just background noise. I learned stuff from Sutton, but man was he boring. Maybe a three man booth with the PBP guy, a color guy, and an analyst isn’t a bad idea.

by David Huzzard on Aug 24, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Three man booth is interesting.

I think the Mets did that where they rotated through and had two of the three guys at all times when I used to listen in the 80s. Wonder how the finances of that would work for the Nats and their current ratings, though.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Aug 24, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

bq.They can try and twist it any way they want, and if a guy’s hurt, he’s hurt, he’s going to go on the disabled list, it’s a moot point, but if he’s not hurt, get your butt out there and play….they’re two totally different scenarios.

But that’s not what he was talking about. He was talking about playing hurt, using examples of players playing with broken feet, etc. Strasburg was apparently willing to pitch through the pain, but that choice was taken out of his hands. To ask any more of him is to ask him to put his desire to play above what it best for the team, and Dibble can try to twist that however he wants, but it’s just wrong in this instance.

I didn’t comment much on the initial rant, as it had already been beaten to death by the time I tuned into the conversation, but these comments are almost worse. It’s okay to have an opinion, but to call a rather large faction of your viewership clueless and “little” is just stupid. And this is after he insulted most of the women watching the game just last week.

Seriously, MASN needs to get rid of the guy.

by Videre on Aug 24, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ack, sorry about the formatting error. You get the idea.

by Videre on Aug 24, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I generally stay away from bashing Dibs, Videre...

This topic came up in our gamethread and got a big reaction, so my honest hope was to let him explain himself to our readers. I’ll join the Fire this or that guy talk, but Dibble could benefit from thinking before speaking occasionally. Thanks for comment.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Aug 24, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I actually agreed with Dibble’s original rant against the pampered modern-day player, but his follow-up comment about “your little blogs” was incredibly ignorant and assholic. He’s already established his douchebaggotry through the tirade about women and baseball. As far as local sportscasters go, the Nats have some of the worst.

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by Jake Shapiro on Aug 24, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Please exclude Charlie and Dave from that statement, Jake! I love C&D!!

Thanks for the comment. You SBNDC folks should join in more often, and feel free to let everyone here know when you have columns up. Thanks.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Aug 24, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Confirming that Charlie and Dave are teh awes0me.

Scully is the only other radio voice I’ll even consider.

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
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by Doghouse on Aug 24, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Chuck and Dave are great.

Chuck’s got a voice, even if he makes errors sometimes on the broadcast. Dave may know more about the Nats and baseball than anybody in the Natmosphere. He picks great situational plays for plays of the game and is right on with most of his tactics. I’m not gonna lie, a lot of times I get my tactical perspectives straight from Dave.

@Jake
Radio guys are always going to try to berate the bloggers I feel. Same thing happened on Sports Reporters when they talked about SBNationDC. These guys realize bloggers are eating away at their audience for a fraction of the cost. They probably berate the bloggers because they hope the captive audience they retain won’t run to them.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Aug 24, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there is one thing

Bloggers can say pretty much anything they want with little recourse. Charlie, Dave, Dibble, etc. cannot. The broadcast guys cannot speculate on injuries, they cannot assume or guess at organizational moves, they cannot be insulting to the players or management, etc. Bloggers can AND DO say and write these things all the time, very often without any real information whatsoever.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Aug 24, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

…but TV and radio guys have a captive audience, guaranteed contracts and not but so much competition so they can toss out whatever they feel like they want. In blogger land, it’s a competition between several quality beat guys and you can choose to read one, none, or all of them. In TV land we’re kind of stuck with what we have and the station is not that accountable to the fans. Kilgore and Goessling have to compete with Zuckerman’s blog in blogger land. Also, there’s a difference between credentialed bloggers like Steinberg (I think), Zuckerman, Patrick, and Dave at Nats News than some of the other guys who have zero accountability. There’s a level of responsibility and credibility and professionalism that all the guys that I just named have earned. Dibble’s broad brush makes no distinction.

A lot of this originated from Steinberg who is a blogger first but more of a journalist because a lot of his stuff does have to pass editorial muster to make the sports page in the post. He just put the words out there and revealed them to be what they are. If Dibble is upset because when he says stuff people find offensive and gets discussed and more people dislike than dislike it, he earns his criticism.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Aug 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

and for the record...

Dibble was not taken out of context. Steinz published his entire screed. Dibble this morning was trying to apply the context after the cat was out of the bag. HE was the one that went off half-cocked, spewing invective without knowledge of the situation. he didn’t have the results of the MRI. he didn’t speak with Strasburg, or Rizzo or RIggleman or McCatty for that matter. yesterday’s comments were all about him. today he back-tracked by saying “of course, if he really is injured” blah, blah, blah.

i’ve resisted saying anything about the subject, but why should I? i’m just another un-informed blogger that spouts my opinion when i have no knowledge of the situation.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Aug 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was taken out of context on Twitter, not by Steinberg....

Whether it be the 140 character limitations of the medium or what, the pull quotes from the article that went out on Twitter was not nuanced at all, they were just the ugly as someone I know likes to call them “Low hanging fruit” variety…but Steinberg tweeted some of the choice lines and then put the entire transcript out. Dibble doesn’t single out…God, I’m talking about Dibble. Punching out…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Aug 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

i tried to stay out of this one, but every time i think i’m out, they pull me right back in!

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Aug 24, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same feeling, let's quit this talk together!!!

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Aug 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should talk about this.

IMHO, the bloggers have their place and the “professionals” (note the quotation marks, please) have their place in today’s sports’ coverage. FWIW, I would like less negativity in the blogosphere and less arrogance by the “professionals” towards the bloggers.

I guess what I’m saying is, the bloggers need to understand that they are not privvy to everything that goes on in the clubhouse, locker room etc. and the professionals don’t seem to understand how the average fan feels about their teams. Can the two sides live together in harmony? Probably not.

Patiently waiting for "next year" since 1971.

by Princess Jazzy on Aug 24, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the local print media, at least for the Nats and the Caps...

have been excellent welcoming credentialled bloggers. they understand that we write just as much as they do, and we’re all busy establishing sources and being diligent in our writing.

i find that the broadcast side of things, where you see more ex-jocks, is where the disharmony is, in my experience anyway.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Aug 24, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tip of the Cap to Patrick

…Steinberg’s added a link and a quote from your article to the original Bog post.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Aug 24, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, kudos Patrick! Thank you for being a great reporter.

I really appreciate all the work you do on this site.

Patiently waiting for "next year" since 1971.

by Princess Jazzy on Aug 24, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunate comments but not reason enough to run Dibble out of town

Yes, it would have been better if he hadn’t made the comments about “little blogs” and so on, but it’s clear that those words came out of frustration and that they came out spontaneously. I think most people have used words that weren’t the most appropriate in an emotional situation. Dibble certainly wouldn’t be a good politician, but that’s not his job. He is part-commentator, part-entertainer.

If I had to work with him on a daily basis, I guess he could start to wear on me. But as a TV commentator, I don’t have any major problems with him. I agree that Don Sutton was informative but a bit dull. Dibble is more interesting to listen to, even if he gets a little abrasive sometimes.

Fortunately, I don’t think Rizzo, Riggleman or anyone else on the Nats is going to make a decision about Strasburg based on what Dibble says. So it doesn’t matter that much.

I’ll close by saying that Federal Baseball is awesome!

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by Potomac Fan on Aug 24, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

except Dibble's comments about blogs were not spontaneous

he has a deep seated hatred for bloggers and espouses those feelings several times a week during his radio show and MASN broadcasts.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rob Dibble's Strasburg rant

So, it looks like Strasburg is going to have to have Tommy John surgery. I guess Dibble wasn’t really all that “well prepared”. Guess he actually didn’t know what the @#%# he was talking about!

by Natsfan1 on Aug 27, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

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