Wire Taps: What Are The Washington Nationals And Adam Dunn Waiting For?
In spite of the fact that DC GM Mike Rizzo said clearly recently to Sirius/XM MLB Network Radio hosts Kevin Kennedy and Jim Duquette on their show "The Power Alley" that the Nats were, "...certainly not going to wait until the season's over," to try to work out a deal with Adam Dunn, the Nats' big middle-of-the-order bat told Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore Saturday in a Nationals Journal post entitled, "Adam Dunn seems headed to free agency", that though he, "...leaves negotiations to his representatives and generally avoids updates from them," as far as he knew, "...nothing is imminent and he is 'assuming' he will end the season without a contract extension from the Nationals."
In the MLB Network Radio interview the Nats' general manager praised Dunn's on and off field presence on the Nationals' roster and even went so far as to say, "...we're trying to get something done because we think that he's a big part of our future and he makes everybody in that lineup so much better and we're working at it diligently every day." Mr. Rizzo didn't trade Mr. Dunn at the July 31st Non-Waiver Deadline, explaining at the time that, though they entertained all offers as the team had always maintained they would, "...we never got a deal that we thought was equal or greater value to Adam Dunn. We were on the receiving end of the calls, we weren't making the calls, we got a lot of interest in Adam and just didn't see an equal return to what Adam Dunn brings to the ballclub on and off the field."
The reports that Adam Dunn was claimed on waivers were never confirmed by the team at least as far I've seen, though MLB.com's Bill Ladson did note in a blog post entitled, "Dunn happy to remain with Nationals" on August 12th that Dunn had been pulled off some nine days after the initial reports that he had been placed on waivers. At the time, Dunn was quoted by Mr. Ladson saying that though, "...he wants a four-year deal," he was, "willing to listen to a three-year offer," but, "...does not want another two-year deal like the one he signed with the Nationals in February of 2009." That deal, inked by Mr. Rizzo's predecessor, payed the then-29-year-old outfielder $20 million dollars over two years.
The Nationals and Dunn's reps have reportedly been discussing a long-term deal since this winter. According to SI.com's Jon Heyman's article entitled, "Happier D-Train showing flashes of his old self for Tigers", from 3/24/10, the Nats, "...told Dunn that he needs to turn himself into a serviceable first baseman before they make him an offer befitting a 40-homer man. So he's working hard at it."
Mr. Rizzo, in one of many interviews he's done on Sirius/XM MLB Network Radio recently, told "First Pitch" hosts, former DC GM Jim Bowden and Bowden's co-host Casey Stern, that having watched nearly a full season of Dunn's progress at first, he still believed, "... he's a work in progress,":
"I think he's made strides to become a better defender. He's certainly not at the place defensively that he wants to be or I would like him to be. We see the game going to pitching, speed, defense and athleticism as the way to go. Of course, he doesn't have to be the defender that a light-hitting first baseman does because of the potential that he has with the bat, but he wants to be a better defender, we'd like him to continue to improve his footwork around the base and his instincts around the base, I believe he's going to do so. We're encouraged by the strides he's made, but we're certainly not satisfied as a team or Adam personally."
Before the 2010 campaign, Dunn had started exactly 162 games at first over his 9-year MLB career according to Baseball-Reference.com's Standard Fielding stats, with 23 E's commited as a first baseman and a .985 fld%. Fangraphs.com had Dunn at a (-17.0 UZR/150) over his career at first, with a (-30.8 UZR/150) for the time he'd spent there in the '09 season. (Quick UZR/150 Definition from Fangraphs.com: "The number of runs above or below average a fielder is, per 150 defensive games.") For 2010 so far, Dunn's (-1.3 UZR/150), 8 errors and .993 fld% in 124 games show significant improvements over his career numbers, and he's produced at the plate, posting a .260/.353/.547 slash line (.899 OPS) with 32 doubles and 32 HR's.
Only the OBP's off Dunn's previous standards, but with reports that he'd adjusted his approach at the plate to aim for more contact when he'd once shown what some saw as excessive patience, a drop in OBP might have been expected, and a .196/.299/.500 August hasn't helped Dunn's numbers, though he's traditionally seen a late-season decline in production more than likely due to the amount of games the 6'6''. 285lb slugger plays.
What are the Nats' options? Allowing him to walk and accepting the draft picks they'd receive in return is appealing to Mr. Rizzo reportedly, if that's what it comes to, and the fact that the Nats signed 25 of their top 26 picks last year and have spent more money on bonuses in the last two drafts than any team in baseball would only seem to encourage the still-building franchise's willingness to accept that compensation, especially given the expected strength of the 2011 Draft class.
MASNSports.com's Ben Goessling wrote recently, in an article entitled, "Zimmermann, Pena, & Dunn" that, "One source in the organization said the Nationals' braintrust 'loves [the Rays' first baseman Carlos Pena],'" but the 10-year veteran will be 33-years-old next May, and he's playing out the third year of his deal 3-year/$24.125M dollar deal with Tampa Bay this year hitting .211/.338/.433 in 114 games and 393 at bats in which he's collected seventeen fewer doubles than Adam Dunn and eight less HR's though he's a superior defensive first baseman. (5 E, .995 fld%, +0.2 UZR/150 in 2010, -2.3 UZR/150 over the course of his career.) Paul Konerko? Derrek Lee? Adam LaRoche? Any of those names inspiring you? I've yet to find one person who''ll say the Nats' top first base prospect Chris Marrero is ready....I can't believe I'm back to asking the same question I asked back in January 2009, three weeks before he finally signed, "Can Adam Dunn And The Washington Nationals Just Accept Each Other Already?"
• Previous Dunn Discussions:
• Federal Baseball - bluelineswinger: "What We Learned From the Cliff Lee Deal."
"My stance is known, and it is (of course) that the Nats absolutely have to see what they could get in return for Adam Dunn to make them a more competitive team heading into 2011 and hopefully contend by 2012."
• Federal Baseball - John Quinn - Nationals News: MacDougal is Back Edition!
"The Nats have told Adam Dunn that he won't get a contract extension, no matter his offensive numbers, if he doesn't learn to play first base."
• Washington Nationals: Can Adam Dunn Get It, Uh, Done At First? - Federal Baseball
"There's been a lot of talk in these pages about Adam Dunn playing first all season in 2010, with me wondering whether or not he'll be exposed as a DH-worthy defensive liability while Dunn backers (I'm a fan, but not of his defense), argue that his performance at the end of the '09 season, once Nick Johnson had been dealt away to Florida, is proof enough that the 6'6", 275 lb 30-year-old power-hitter is capable of doing the job on the Nats' defensively-challenged roster...
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This Dunn situation
just keeps getting more annoying as the season continues towards its end. Watching Daniel Hudson perform brilliantly for the D-Backs doesn’t help either (especially after the Stras injury). Sorry Rizzo, but I think you made a mistake not acquiring Hudson since Dunn has yet to sign an extension. If Dunn had signed by now, I wouldn’t care what Hudson does, but the closer the season approaches its conclusion, the more concerned I am about Rizzo just chasing draft pick compensation.
The worst part about this whole ordeal is that Dunn could accept arbitration, get his $16 million one year deal, and the Nats would not receive any compensation. With Washington’s luck, Dunn would get hurt in April and the Nats would get nothing in return as a result. Maybe I’m just being extremely pessimistic, but I’m really upset about the whole situation. I hate the thought of chasing draft pick compensation, even though it has worked in the past, there’s no guarantee the team will find another Zimmermann. Washington has enough cash dumped into its draft picks, start putting some of that cash into proven players, otherwise Washington will join the ranks of Pittsburgh and Kansas City.
Dunn could hit .250/.350/.520 for the next three years and I think we’d all be comfortable with that. The guy will be mashing at least 30 bombs a year during that span, and knocking in close to 100 RBIs each season too. It would take a 2011 draft pick two years before he starts putting up those type of numbers. In other words, have Dunn put up those numbers in 2011, 2012 and 2013? Or have a rookie start putting up those numbers in 2013 while some scrub plays 1B for 2011 and 2012. The rook might not even be able to put up those numbers either, but the Nats would know what they are getting out of Dunn. His power numbers aren’t going to decline in the next three years, the guy will be 31 in November.
This whole situation irritates me, and I’m starting to get really POed about it. Dunn has done everything and more to prove that he can be a reliable 1B. He’s got at least 5 years left of power production, so there’s no reason not to lock him up for at least 3.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 30, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions
he could hit that much but i consider it unlikely
I think the reason Dunn wants the 4+ year deal and Rizz doesnt is because no one expects Dunn to maintain his offensive performace (Bowden still owes us 2 HRs for last year). If Dunn thought that he would be the same or better in 2 years time he would be ok with a contract for that length. Dunn is the type of hitter that will have a steep dropoff in production and whatever years remain on the contract with whatever team when that time comes will be less productive. That being said, I estimate Dunn has 2-3 good years left and that would coincide with the plan’s target year so I say sign him. The team will be much less likely to get even good draft picks into position by the plan’s target year
Somebody needs to be last in the standings; as long as its the Orioles, Tom is happy
Dunn will be 31 for the 2011 season, not an age when players start losing their power production. For a guy that’s been hitting 40 bombs a year since he was 24, I don’t see his power decreasing before the curve. Typically good power hitters are strong in their early 30s, and I don’t think Dunn will be an exception. If the Nats sign him for 3 or 4 years, the team will see a decline in his OBP, but that’s about it. I can promise you that he’ll be hitting at least 30 HRs in each year of his 3 or 4 year deal.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 30, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not just about how Adam produces
but its also about showing the rest of the MLB that we are actually willing to spend money on good players, 60 million for 4 years isn’t bad when you look at some guys making significantly more than that and putting up close to the same numbers.
Your telling me you don’t want to pay the man who’s producing for you because MAYBE he wont be good in the future. If thats the way you want to run a franchise you may as well fold up shop. A worst case scenario for Dunn to me is that maybe he becomes a 20 HR a year guy in 4 years. Its worth the risk if it gives the team more credibility.
We are not looking at an Albert Haynsworth situation. Dunn doesn’t come off as a guy who plays harder for the next contract.
also, if he resign him, we could get more value then the 2 draft picks. and our soriano draft picks were Burgess, and Zimmermann, no way we get that luck two times in a row
Not saying you'd match the talent of the Soriano picks....
But this is believed to be a deep draft by just about everyone who has looked ahead.
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by Patrick Reddington on Aug 30, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the FanGraphs take:
If they were thinking of re-signing Adam Dunn before, they almost certainly shouldn’t now. Losing Strasburg for 2011 and getting a questionable version of him for 2012 pushes the Nats back into long-term building mode, as they just lost a player they simply can’t replace.
I’m rooting for a 3-year deal, but I’m expecting draft picks.
I've heard this from a few people in the wake of Strasburg's injury....
Rizzo’s on record saying one doesn’t affect the other but how could it not, really.
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by Patrick Reddington on Aug 30, 2010 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FanGraphs
doesn’t care about the Nationals. Their working hypothesis is that if a team doesn’t make the playoffs they cannot have had a successful season. That is, they would not distinguish a three year record 77, 83, and 95 wins from a record of 67, 78, and 95 wins. The first two years are irrelevant because they didn’t compete for a playoff spot.
Oh, and by the way, the team is called the “Nationals”, not the “Strasburgs”.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
so Rob, you're completely discounting the notion...
that Strasburg’s injury at least could impact whether:
a) Rizzo wants to sink that money into Dunn, and
b) Dunn still wants to sign here considering the injury.
c’mon man, be realistic here. we all know how much you love Dunn, and that’s fine and all, but you have to acknowledge, don’t you, that the injury will impact how Rizzo puts together the roster next season? i mean, he’s already re-signed Livo.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Aug 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Dave, do the math.
Nats + Livo = Contender!
Wait, do I have to show my work?
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I just don't buy the concept of perpetually "rebuilding"
At some point you’ve got to try to compete otherwise you’ll never compete. Sounds almost tautological, I know.
Perhaps you are right, in that Rizzo/Kasten/Lerners will be satisfied dropping payroll, grabbing another top-ten pick (four years’ running), and hoping that somehow the team will eventually become good. Or not. Whatever. As long as they keep making money. But it doesn’t seem consistent with the money they’ve thrown around in the recent drafts. On the other hand, it does seem consistent with Rizzo’s moves earlier in the year (Taveras/Mench/Batista/any of a host of other dumpster grabs signed for the sake of filling out a 40-man roster rather than signing players that would help the team WIN).
So, no, I’m not completely discounting the possibility that Rizzo’s desire to re-sign Dunn has been affected by Strasburg’s injury. I’m just questioning the merits of the strategy.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
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by Patrick Reddington on Aug 30, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Must admit when I thought when I pondered Dunn walking for picks....
The idea of a perpetually rebuilding team struck and saddened me. If you’re not going to be competing next year cause Stras is out, then you have to let fans know next year is for building the team up for Strasburg’s return to full-time action in 2012…start talking about 2013 and, well the world ends in Dec 2012 anyway so what incentive is there to buy tix the next two seasons. I understand and agree with souldrummer’s talk of process but it has to be toward a goal.
OTsorta – I’m surprised not much has been made of how Dunn’s public anti-AL statements affected Rizzo’s ability to get a return. Anyone?
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by Patrick Reddington on Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fair enough, i know the perpetual rebuild is frustrating
here’s the thing, though. (and hold on, this might get long-winded).
The re-build is just getting started. this team was so decimated, first by Omar Minaya, then Bud Selig, then Jim Bowden, that it’s taken this long just to get this far. Balester, Desmond and Bernadina were Expos draft picks. they’re the only ones left.
the only players currently on the 40-man roster that were drafted post-Montreal are R. Zimmerman (2005), Maxwell (2005), Lannan (2005), Stammen (2005), J. Zimermann (2007), Detwiler (2007) and Strasburg and Storen, both selected last season. Six out of 40.
think about that for a second. that’s how much damage Jim Bowden did to this franchise. six players drafted under his watch in four years are on the 40-man roster, and only two (Zim and Lannan) have really established anything. and there aren’t any more coming.
so, only 11 players on the 40-man roster were “home-grown”.
Rizzo has had two drafts to start rebuilding this franchise. he hit pretty big on both his first round picks in 2009, getting almost immediate contribution from both. of course, the development of one is now stunted for at least 12 months. but Strasburg should make a full recovery and be ready to reclaim his spot at the start of the rotation in 2012. it’s still going to take several more drafts to have the necessary depth to build from within.
i think we’re all tired of seeing the “Kevin Mench’s” of the world surface here due to injury and attrition.
by 2012, Wilson Ramos and Danny Espinosa wil be second year players, ready to be full-time starters. Derek Norris and Chris Marrero should be competing for jobs as well, maybe with each other at first base.
at that point, you can selectively choose free agents to supplement your weaknesses.
signing middling free agents, like Matt Capps, Brian Bruney, Adam Kennedy and yes, Pudge Rodriguez isn’t “re-building”. it’s plugging in veterans to avoid 100-loss seasons.
we’re just now starting to see the results from Rizzo’s rebuild. next year was going to be a development year anyway. in my opinion, this team shouldn’t be signing anyone, let alone Adam Dunn, over 30-years old next season to anything other than a one-year stop-gap, fill in the hole contract.
all they’ve been doing since Rizzo took over is trying to avoid 100 losses until enough of his hand-picked talent was ready to form a core. we can start to see that now, and it’s been 2012 all along that was the target. it’s tough for fans to hang on to that, cause it means a lot of growing pains.
you just have to hope Strasburg, the key component in all of this, is back to himself, or a reasonable enough facsimile, by then.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
11 of 40
I have no idea whether this is average, small, extraordinarily small, or what. I just randomly decided to look at the Astros’ 40 man and found 15 that were farm products. My guess is that it’s small-ish, but not absurdly so.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
What really gets me about the Bowden picks...
Is that one was as close to a sure thing as Stras/Storen with Zimmerman and the other, Lannan, is a minor miracle as a pro, drafted where he was and “succeeding” with the stuff he has. I agree with your premise though, Dave and have said as much before too. MLB ruined the Expos and then stalled the Nats by installing Bowden as GM, and he was named by MLB lest we forget.
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by Patrick Reddington on Aug 30, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It won't be long
before “blame Bowden” will begin to ring hollow. At some point you’ve got to sleep in your own bed.
Or something like that.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
gotta give it more than two drafts though.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Aug 30, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a whole lot more
they didn’t exactly start from scratch, and there are other ways to acquire players besides the draft.
Rob
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