Washington Nationals And Florida Marlins Brawl Started By Nyjer Morgan...After The Second HBP.
REVENGE!!: Top of the fourth, 14-3 Marlins in a blowout. After a called strike three on the opposing pitcher, Chris Volstad hits Nats' center fielder Nyjer Morgan in the numbers. Morgan's response? He steals second with Ian Desmond up in the next AB, taking out the Marlins' infielder with a hard slide. Then in the same at bat, Morgan steals third. This is insane. Ian Desmond finally pops out to short center. Marlins' second baseman Donnie Murphy goes back for it, makes the grab and lands on his wrist. That didn't look good. Murphy leaves the field holding his wrist up. That's two Marlins in two days who probably had their seasons ended on plays involving Morgan. And because he didn't just take it but had to steal two bases and score after getting hit, it probably isn't over....
It's not...Justin Maxwell doubles down the third base line to start the Nats' sixth and that leaves first base open for Nyjer Morgan. Volstad throws at him again. And it's on. Nyjer Morgan charges the mound and throws a left cross at Volstad's head. First baseman Gaby Sanchez clotheslines Morgan, knocking him off his feet. Volstad pounces. Nats' third base coach Pat Listach jumps into the mix. What is he thinking? And the benches clear!!! A full-out brawl on the field. It's madness. Nyjer Morgan's getting pummeled. Nats' Skipper Jim Riggleman and Marlins' Skipper Edwin Rodriguez separate their players and then almost come to blows. Morgan starts in on the fans, gesturing toward the furious crowd and pounding his chest, profanities are flying, Morgan's lost it. The Nats' center fielder has to be held down and guided off the field by the Nats' bullpen coach. Morgan's done. He's officially lost it. Riggleman and Rodriguez are still jawing. Looks like no one got hurt but there are going to be a lot of ejections, fines and suspensions.....
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I'll be amazed if he's on the roster by the time they play on Friday.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 1, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i think
you guys are over-reacting. I dont think Nyjer did anything wrong tonight. he will likely get suspended for multiple games
Not just tonight. He's been melting down for weeks.
Already facing suspension for throwing ball in stands. Already took out two catchers this week….
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 1, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
wont argue with that
but i dont think it merits him getting cut. he does make things happen on the basepaths and plays with a lot of energy. unfortunately the nats dont have many other options
I wonder if he'll be able to play at all the rest of the season..
…he’s already got suspensions in the pipeline for Fillie (which may not have actually been anything).
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
I was thinking about it
Maybe they keep him off the field till the hearings. Don’t want to judge till we hear why he’s going crazy.
Yeah, I could see this handled like the Zambrano situation
put him on the restricted list, except, in this case, until the hearings are done. make him see a shrink.
Needs moar dingerz.
yeah clearly needs to be talking to someone
I’ve thought this for a while too, I remember a few weeks back I see him make a great play and when he gets back to CF he starts talking to himself and dropping f bombs
They've got options
Morgan is at best the fourth best outfielder on the team anyway.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
It's not just tonight....
He’s been embarrassing this team for weeks now. I hope to see him out of the rotation starting Friday.
Morgan Must Stay
Let’s not go crazier than Nyjer. He is not losing his mind, melting down or whatever. Maybe he’s been playing angry but he didn’t do anything wrong tonight or last night. Maybe he should have slid last night but the collision with the catcher is a legitimate baseball play. The Marlins are punks for throwing at us – Morgan twice! Nyjer had to do something. We can’t be wimps here. I love to see the fire. I wish all the Nats had Nyjer’s intensity.
+1
A spark is what this team needed to rev themselves up and, for better or worse, they got it. Mo might be going overboard – maybe anger issues or something, I’m not sure – and his brain cramps can be appalling at times, but he’s great when he’s at his best and he brings passion to the team that no one else does. Everyone needs a cocky, brash, loud-mouthed hothead. This one is ours.
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by sweetpearacer on Sep 2, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
No, not at all true
Not everybody needs a cocky, brash, loudmouthed hothead. In fact, those kind of players typically are such a distraction that a team CANNOT WIN with them around. The Yankees don’t have a player like that. The Rays don’t. The Padres don’t. The Giants don’t. Aside from Brandon Phillips, I can’t think of a player like that on ANY playoff contending team.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
A.J. Pier... whatever his name is
The catcher. He’s pretty well known for being an irritating loudmouth chippy guy, and yet he’s been on some winning teams.
Sounds like both he and Dibble will be working on their golf swings during the workweek
Somebody needs to be last in the standings; as long as its the Orioles, Tom is happy
Benched for the season is my guess
WTH happened to Tony Plush? Where is the fun guy? He get cheated on or something?
Wish I Could Give You Some Insight
as a Bucs fan, but I don’t recall ever seeing this side of Nyjer while he played in P’burgh. He played hard; if lacking in baseball instincts, it was accepted that it was because he grew up as a hockey player. But I can’t recall ever seeing this type of anger or aggression. I’ve thrown up a post on B’s Dugout, maybe someone will correct me. Best of luck for the rest of the season.
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
Riggleman is having all sorts of trouble
trying to be diplomatic about Morgan, trying to more-or-less defend him. He’s a good manager to back his players even when they act like fools.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
disagree
Riggleman sounded foolish during the post-game. He admitted he let the action of his player dictate his managerial decision, which escalated into a situation that could have injured anyone on his team. Riggs should have shut Morgan down or take him out of the game. Allowing him to run incited the incident. In my opinion.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 1, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't recall him admitting any such thing.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
in response to Ray's question about "professionalism"...
Riggs said: “If Nyjer himself felt the he had done something wrong, I would have put the hold on him.” he let the player dicate his decision as a manager. that’s wrong. In my opinion.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 1, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
There’s no mercy rule in MLB … if the Marlins can keep swinging at pitches (and throwing at batters), the Nationals can steal bases. Absurd to get upset over that, BTW the “unwritten rules” don’t allow you to see retribution in 14-3 games … what was wrong with 0-0?
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." -- Barry Switzer
by my name IS Earl on Sep 2, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He's completely out of control now
undeniably. But I don’t think he’ll be gone by the weekend.
Looking ahead to next year is another question.
If you're gonna go out, go out with a bang.
I know he was riled up, but he should have smiled as Volstad got ejected and maybe subtly flipped him the bird for missing his buttocks and then gotten an RBI hit. That would have been better revenge.
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
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by Doghouse on Sep 1, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Morgan is looking at a very lengthy suspension.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 1, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
Like, forever, maybe?
NatsTown: Where we hope for "next year" every year...
by Nationalpastime9 on Sep 1, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily.
Johnny Cueto took someone out for the entire season by kicking at them. He only got a 7 game suspension—-1 start.
Nyjer just gets crap as a repeat offender.
Needs moar dingerz.
Not really a repeat offender
That incident in philly is still very up in the air
However I think what is going to get Nyjer is the way he acted walking off the field
Volstad will get two starts (seven games)
Morgan is looking at weeks.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 1, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So is Listach...I think he had visions of Dibble out there....
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 1, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yup. coaches can't fight players. he's in big trouble.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 1, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
watching the replay,
I think you can argue he went there to try and pull Volstad off Morgan. That said, I don’t think the argument would hold up and he is probably gonna be suspended.
Morgan was on the bottom of the entire Marlins team....screw all the proper boundries b/t coaches and players
not that I am Morgan’s biggest fan right now…..I am sure Listach will take his punishment standing up….
by NewJerseyAveSE on Sep 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
If you wanna watch Nyjer lose it over and over again here you go

"Ovechkin is as subtle as a shot of vodka."
I could watch this all night.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Sanchez really does blindside Morgan...second man in is going to get a stiff punishment....
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 1, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed and it should,
he seems to have no intention to break it up just to hit Morgan at all costs. That being said I’d be happy if this is the last I see of Morgan in a National’s jersey. I loved him at the end of last year but after this he has really worn on me.
"Ovechkin is as subtle as a shot of vodka."
Between his OBP and Crazy Antics I'm sorta done with Morgan...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 1, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Low OBP, runs into outs, defense not as good?
A dose of teh crazy doesn’t actually offset that.
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
Pretty lame hearing all these MLB guys whine about Nyjer stealing the bases
I mean its like the 4th inning, we can still chip our way back, you don’t just give up not even half way through. Not to mention it’s all on the Marlins if they can’t hold him or throw him out.
I agree.
It was provocative, yes, but throwing at a guy for stealing bases while behind is kinda BS. If the Nats were up 11 instead behind 11 I could see it, but is a team not allowed to battle down once they’re behind?
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
Yeah, obviously if it was us ahead its unacceptable
Are we just suppose to stop playing the game because we are down?
Pretty ridiculous
Morgan already lost it before he started running. He went hard into second. And taking third was a slap in the Marlins' faces....
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 1, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, didn't see the play--just heard he stole two bases.
Although he did score on a sac fly, so the SB’s actually payed off (for once).
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
See, and this is the problem I have
the SB’s actually payed off (for once).
Morgan’s stolen bases actually increased the team’s chances of winning. Maybe not much, but once they lose there is no chance to win and, this just in: “You play to win the game.” You play hard, and you play fair. Morgan didn’t slide to go after the infielders – on the one at third he went between the guy’s legs rather than through one of them, which could have resulted in an injury.
I could have done without the chest thumping and crowd taunting, though. To me that was much more dangerous than what he did in the game. The last thing MLB needs is to have players brawling with fans.
So taking 2nd is cool, maybe taking 3rd is cool too...but not in the same AB?
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
I couldn't tell
Were the Marlins playing behind Morgan when he was at first? If so, it’s usually a “gentlemen’s agreement” that stealing isn’t to be done. Otherwise, it is “provocative”.
As to chipping one’s way back into a game they trail by 10 runs, you do that by getting hits, not stealing bases.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
A win's a win.
You chip back however.
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride
singles don't do much when someone is on first, however when they are on third is another story
Also I doubt there was any “gentlemen’s agreement” between Nyjer and the Marlins
You do both.
I don’t think its fair to rag on Morgan for stealing bases safely, even in a blowout. It helps the team.
And, “gentleman’s agreement”? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Needs moar dingerz.
What are you talking about?
Last I heard, stealing bases was a part of baseball. And when exactly did baseball players become gentlemen? My understanding is that you know the rules of baseball. Show me where it says that there is not stealing when behind? What a joke. This is just a completely loser attitude.
Go Nyjer, Go!
I love this guy! As a frustrated Nats fan I wish I could go crazy like Morgan. He did nothing wrong tonight. You have to stand up for yourself. They threw at him TWICE! The first time he stole two bases and scored so the Marlins got all pissy and needed to teach him a lesson – don’t you dare play good baseball against us! The Marlins are crybabies. I don’t think Morgan’s collision with the catcher last night was a good play but it wasn’t a cheap shot. The Nats need to play harder and fight back harder. The Nats shouldn’t get rid of Morgan – they should all start playing as hard as him.
by apostle61 on Sep 1, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1000!
I totally agree, brother! I’m not a fan of how Nyjer left the field but I am a fan of him standing up for his team. The post-brawl behavior is unnecessary, but if Volstad is gonna go after you twice in a 10 run game, CV should get outta her, SOB! I’m sure the Caps could use an enforcer since we lost BASHear( don’t read into that, not making a race issue, since we also have Chimera.). I also agree that the Marlins are crybabies about last night. Just b/c Nyjer inadvertently went after the Cardinals C last weekend, its so easy to label him the villain b/c he hurt yours in a baseball situation. Those kinds of things happen all the time and teams don’t plan to go after the opposing instigator. I used to see FL as an NL East rival that wasn’t really a rival b/c there isn’t as much passion(mostly b/c they kick our ass all the time!), but now with their whining and crying, screw those guys! They’re no better than the Philthies, or at least their fans…
by LoveThatJoker on Sep 2, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you!!
Lets start to back our players, not kick them while they’re down.
Go Redskins! Go Wizards! Go Nationals! Go Capitals! Vamos United!
by SkinsWizStangs on Sep 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't think you can discount, now that I think of it having heard Morgan's comments...
That the second ball thrown at Morgan would have been the 4th HBP of the game for the Nats. Nieves and The General? also got hit….
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 1, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, thats kinda excessive.
not saying Morgan’s actions were justified, but that has to play in for something.
You just don’t hit 4 guys like that unless you’re trying to stir up trouble or wait for retaliation.
Needs moar dingerz.
The umps blew it
I have to agree – I dont see where the play at the plate with the Marlins was out of line. It wasnt smart, but not out of the realm of how baseball is played. Nor did I see where Nyjer really did anything that cant be defended tonight.
Volsted hit 3 Nationals players, and attempted to hit the same guy twice. The umps let this get out of hand by not issueing a warning after the 2nd player he hit or after he hit Nyger the first time. (Maybe they did and I missed it.) I dont blame him for getting overheated at Volstead. After hitting 3 players, Volstead deserved to be ejected before he even had the chance to hit a 4th.
Nobody really thinks the first two hit batsmen were intentional
That’s a red herring argument. As to whether they issued a warning or not, it’s irrelevant because Volstad was immediately ejected when he threw behind Morgan.
Morgans’s act caused all this ruckus. There’s noting defensible about it.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Total BS - nothing he did last night was wrong.
Even if you assume that last night was a bad play nothing excuses the second pitch thrown at him tonight.
I wasn't "excusing" the pitcher
I was explaining that Nyjer provoked it.
Just because a play is “legal” doesn’t make it right.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Livo hit 4 batters in one game a few years back
and, as I recall, his half-brother did the same thing the same year.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Bottom Line
Federal Baseball crowd has become a bunch of whining, critical, non-supportive fans. Look at the game threads and check out the negativity. Even during the games when the guys are playing well the comments run 2 to 1 negative/snarky.
Sure the team is not great but take a cue from the players and coaches. Support the team that plays the game and look forward to better times ahead.
Actually, I think fans here are pretty supportive
Have you seen the game threads on Nationals Journal or some other sites? Compared to those sites, we lead cheers. And we do have some standard cheers that pop up on the threads. Even though people disagree over last night’s incident, don’t confuse them with negative unsupportive fans.
We have our Eeyores, it’s true – but that doesn’t make them bad people :-)
BTW, I think Riggs summed it up perfectly. "No one is going to tell us
when were going to run!" He was not unprofessional in any way for backing his player. They hit Nyjer once and that should of been the end of it. There was no reason to go after the guy because he stole a couple of bases. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care how many runs you’re down, you don’t lay down and die. They put Nyjer on base, he stole two more and scored a run for his team. He did not deserve to get thrown at and frankly anyone that thinks he did something wrong by stealing bases and scoring a run is a (forgive me) a PUSSY. You’re job as a player is to try to score runs for your team no matter how many runs you’re team is down by. It is utter nonsense to say it was wrong to steal bases. Ask Whitey Herzog, and Davey Johnson about that, I’m sure they would have no problem with it either.
Patiently waiting for "next year" since 1971.
by Princess Jazzy on Sep 2, 2010 2:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nyjer wrong to defend himself?
He took his first lump, which mind you was in retribution for a legal baseball play. We were taught to hit the catcher in little league. Then they’re gonna throw at him again? Getting pegged with a baseball hurts, hurts worse than a punch. As far as i’m concerned Volstad essentially punched him the first time, and took a swing at him the second at bat. I don’t see anything more than a couple of 5 minute majors here, with maybe an instigator penalty for Volstad. It’s funny that in baseball you’re expected to just get assaulted and when you react you’re “out of control.” This is no different than when the Penguins chased Evander Kane around a while last year, and this is how that ended up:
Two stolen bases?????????
I don’t agree with Morgan hitting that catcher at all. I think he should have been benched before that game. Butt two stolen bases???? Thats what Morgan does. Say this was Dunn were talking about. You hit him once. Fine. The next time he comes up and he launches a 500 ft homer. The next time up you throw behind him………….As Morgan said “its time to go”………….
Stealing bases is what Morgan does???
Not this season…getting thrown out trying to steal with Zim and Dunn coming up to kill an inning is what Morgan does alot!
Great teammates. NOPE
And as someone else already posted. Some of our “failfull” would not make very good teammates……. It did’nt take this Morgan ruckus for me to already know this……….
"Failful" good one. Any reason you folks have all of a sudden decided to make this about the Federal Baseball readers?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I blame Doghouse.
You can feel free to blame me if you wish.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Boooooo!
I blame The Mamba. If he were still around, we could be arguing about his negativity instead of our own.
"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3
It's nice to have a lightning rod sometimes.
Rob
"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith
Others ( who may have played agressive sports ) are frustrated with our overall reaction to Nyjers action...
the majority on our blog seem pissed at Nyjer, which in light of all his other recent behavior is understandable but to support him now like his manager did is a nuanced position…..which is tough for some of our regulars….
by NewJerseyAveSE on Sep 2, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been a Riggles critic many times ...
But after thinking it over the next morning I have no problem with his supporting his player. Riggles tried to end it by putting Morgan in the leadoff spot just to get plunked (and IMHO took Zim out of the game to keep him out of the line of fire). It should have ended there. When it didn’t, you have to support your teammate who is getting thrown at.
I think Riggles got it kinda right, actually
He clearly moved Morgan to leadoff in order to get this out of everyone’s system. Even though they waited until his 2nd AB, that should have been the end of it.
I have no problem with Morgan stealing the bases – it’s early, and chipping away for 2-3 runs an inning is still technically feasible (although unlikely). The Nats actually pulled within shouting distance a couple of times later in the game, in part because of Nyjer’s run. They lost, but not for lack of trying. I LIKE that in the team. You know, never give up and all that.
Throwing the pitch behind him after plunking him and two other Nats is ridiculous. Even though Morgan’s an idiot, a team that left him on the field under a pile of Marlins would be in deep trouble internally.
by d_c_guy on Sep 2, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
a team that left him on the field under a pile of Marlins would be in deep trouble internally.
Exactly…… Too bad the team did’nt have Dibble’s back……………We don’t always know the whole story……..Maybe that stlouis catcher was running his lip………….Either way you can’t throw at a guy twice………Thats the bottomline.

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