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Nationals Daily Evolutions 9/10/10

I really felt that Boswell's column would have touched off a bit more of a firestorm than it did. Dunn is widely liked by fans and teammates, and I was a bit suprised that this news didn't anger or alarm more people, but maybe the answer is we now view the media as part of the process. I doubt Boswell would take orders from the team as to what to write, but I do not doubt that Rizzo or Kasten would lead him to believe something they want writen. There is a mass of first base free agents this off-season. Dunn and Konerko could be viewed as the best of them, but it could be believed that Pena, who has had a down year could bounce back and have a good year next season. Then there are guys like Derrek Lee and Lance Berkman who are aging but are still viewed as good defensive guys and team leaders. Then there are the guys like Wigginton and Huff that have had seasons well above their career numbers that could be looking to turn one good season into big money. Lower down the list are players like Cantu and Glaus that could be viewed as the last resort. There are also players like Victor Martinez that most likely will have to change positions to extend their careers, and first base is the most likely home. Also do not forget that Adam LaRoche has a $7.5 mutual option that he could opt out of if he thinks he can make more money as a free agent. And there are even guys I left out like Mark Kotsay and Xavier Nady that can play right field as well as first base.

Mike Rizzo of course keeps saying publically that the team wants to keep Adam Dunn, and everything else is a back up plan. --Ben Goessling from masnsports.com

Dunn doesn't like the idea of another two year contract, but the decsions he made might be what led him here, and with the added emphasis around baseball on defense and paying players there true value I don't see many other clubs willing to overpay for Dunn either. --Harper from natsbaseball.com

More thoughts on Adam Dunn that brings up the point that free agency isn't the only way to aquire talent. --Dave Nichols from natsnewsnetwork.com

I am hoping Gaby Sanchez gets booed and to see at least one hit batter. Of course my opinion doesn't matter, but with the way the Nationals play against the Marlins we might need something to keep the game interesting, but it most likely won't be happening as manager Jim Riggleman is encouraging the players to put it behind them. --Mark Zuckerman at natsinsider.com  

More thoughts and links on the Nats and baseball after the jump.

Star-divide

What is the biggest off-season need? According to Mike Rizzo it is an ace starting pitcher. Of course this doesn't mean the Nationals can get Cliff Lee, but it might mean they get a guy like De La Rosa, Bonderman, Lilly, or Pavano that aren't aces but can be good middle of the rotation guys. --Mike Rizzo via Ben Goessling at masnsports.com

No chance. No dice. Less than zero. That is how much chance a couple of scouts think Nyjer has of being back with the Nationals next season. --Jayson Stark at espn.com

I think it is a little presumptive to go ahead and say that Dunn and Morgan won't be here next year, but it does make for more entertaining reading, and at least people are talking baseball. I hear there might be some game Sunday night that has some people in this area intrested. --Holden Kushner from csnwashington.com

If a prospect wants to play in the Nationals' minor leagues then they have to play the game hard, the right way, get their uniform dirty, show toughness, grit, and scrappiness. Sorry I couldn't resist. --Byron Kerr from masnsports.com

Ian Desmond has hit better after the all-star break, but is it enough to move him into the conversation for ROY? No, it isn't, but I do wonder what his defense would look like without all the errors. Desmond has a high range factor and a good arm, so you take away some of his errors next season with either experience or practice and his WAR most likely goes up due to him simply playing the defense that is expected of him. --Adam Kilgore from washingtonpost.com

Livo has done a great job for the Nationals this season, but could it be the best minor league deal handed out this past off-season? Your vote could help decide. --Ben Nicholson-Smith at mlbtraderumors.com

General Baseball

Is it possible that a line-up that includes Wil Nieves, Willie Harris, and Alberto Gonzalez can actually score more runs than the regular line-up? A look at the myth of the Sunday line-up. --The Common Man at platoonadvantage.com

Carl Crawford most likely won't be a Ray next season, but that doesn't mean he isn't going to enjoy this playoff run. --Jon Paul Morosi from foxsports.com

Colorado rookie steals home while pitcher stares at ground. --AP via si.com

Ouch. And umm ouch. Aaron Cook suffers broken fibula on comebacker. --David Mathews from deadspin.com

Sustained success at the closers position is rare. Trevor Hoffman might be a shell of his former self, but 600 saves is quite a feat. --Tim Marchman from si.com

The Red Sox could be making a mistake if they dump Papelbon. --Jon Paul Morosi at foxsports.com

I hope Lannan's last stretch of games is not an illusion and we can keep seeing this pitcher for the rest of this season and next season. Enjoy your weekend. Hopefully there is good news to talk about on Monday.      

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As to Desmond and all the errors,

We as a group tend to ignore Zimm’s errors (and he does have a bunch of them) because of his range. We do this as well with Desi, but at a much smaller scale. Desi is already an above-average hitting NL shortstop. His range is pretty good, not amazing, and his arm is strong but a bit erratic. He looks to me to be one of the better SS in the league in the next few years, but will always be behind guys like Hanley (spit)™ in offense and will not likely be an All Star for years to come. (And I’m a Desi fan)

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Sep 10, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

In terms of range

The FO seems to think it is the best in the NL

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Sep 10, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

+ [spit] for Hanley....

Can’t make™ with iPhone. I feel so limited…

I know it sounds like a Desi fan making excuses, but some of those E’s as we’ve all pointed out, are on grounders no SS in this franchise’s history since a young Orlando “Woop Woop” Cabrera even gets to.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Apparently I just figured out how to make [spit] tm

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Doh...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ever thought of making “Official Federal Baseball Cuspidors” available at the site store?

by PerryMason on Sep 10, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably should, at end of day...

…..office floor is slippery and disgusting…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+LOL

Rec’d

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3

by Doghouse on Sep 10, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

D_c_guy

Sounds like you’ve to got rec this one. If he gets an LOL, that ought to be worth a rec. And if you rec’d it, it would be green!

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Sep 10, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ian Desmond is my wife’s favorite player so I have to say nice things about him. Although I do like him too and he is always signing for kids before the game and just seems like one of the good guys. There have been any number of errors he has made this season that were because of his range. There was one in Pittsburgh Saturday night where he was playing deep in the hole and charged a ball all the way in front of the second base bag and had it skim off his glove. It would have been a flat out amazing play if he had made it, and it isn’t the only play like that this seaon. If he can cut down the errors on the balls right to him and pocket the ball when he needs to he will be a very good defensive short stop.

by David Huzzard on Sep 10, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that play in Pittsburgh wasn't an error.

he got that call on bad rep. of course, the very next ball simply went under his glove.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 10, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

A reason to believe in Des

Ernie Banks
" Early in his career, his fielding was erratic – he committed error totals of 34, 22, 25 and a league-leading 32 between 1955 and 1958 but he worked diligently to become a steady fielder. In 1959, he cut the number of errors down to 12 (then a record for shortstops), and led NL shortstops in fielding in both 1960 (his Gold Glove year) and 1961. He led National League shortstops in assists twice and in fielding percentage 3 times."

by PerryMason on Sep 10, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

the only way Dunn gets a contract longer than 2 or 3 years is if he accepts a DH role. To my understanding (and pretty everyone else’s) he’s not willing to do that. I can’t blame him, because I wouldn’t want to DH either, but he has to be a little more realistic with his market value. The Nats should sign him to a 3-year deal, and I think it would be a win-win. Dunn can play himself into position for one more payday, or he can then accept the DH role.

As SD said in another comment, it wouldn’t be terrible if the Nats got Dunn to accept arbitration. I doubt he would, but it definitely wouldn’t be disadvantageous to the Nats (good trade bait, low risk, short term investment).

by Andrew Davidson on Sep 10, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

We have about as much chance of signing Cliff Lee...

…as Dunn accepting arbitration. In other words, they would both have to be allergic to money.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Sep 10, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only guys I remember

changing from a first baseman to a DH are guys who have become so worn out their bodies cannot handle the “rigors” of playing the field anymore. Dunn has been extraordinarily durable in his career. He might need to take a DH role in four years, but it seems unlikely.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Sep 10, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm willing to make you a bet

that if Dunn hits the open market the only offer he gets from an N.L. team is the one that currently employs him.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 10, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if they did I seriously doubt it would exceed the Nats offer

by PerryMason on Sep 10, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with this one.

I think no other NL offer is a bit strong.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Sep 10, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but

Arizona, Houston, Chicago, Colorado, and Atlanta all have the need for a player of Dunn’s ability at first, and the means to pay him what he wants. I’d add in LA, but they might not have the money (I’m not sure what’s happening over there).

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Sep 10, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

LA be broke.

Shucks…
/sarcasm’d

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Sep 10, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

"only offer"?

That’s a bet I might take, but it would be hard to separate the rumors from the fact. You don’t think the Cubs or Giants might make a stab at him if his price gets low and the Nats sign somebody else and get tired of waiting him out?

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Sep 10, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't envision that scenario happening.

if anyone is going to wait him out, it’ll be the Nats. in my opinion.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 10, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has been durable, but aside from this season, his defense has been laughable man, laughable. Dunn is an exception, his defense scares NL teams so much that AL teams see a DH prospect. I’m not saying he hasn’t played well at 1B this year defensively, but I doubt there’s a lot of teams knocking down his door for his services in the field. AL teams drool about Dunn only providing his bat for services, and not his glove.

by Andrew Davidson on Sep 10, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I have said,

for first basemen, defense is a very minor consideration. Bad defending 1bs don’t cost the team many runs over a season, and great defenders don’t save the team many runs. I know, defense is the charm of the day, but no team should ever want to hire an all-glove-no-stick first baseman.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Sep 10, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree completely, except for the case of Doug Mientkiewicz he made a pretty decent career out of being just a glove at 1B.

I’m not saying teams don’t overlook defensive deficiencies at 1B in order to get a power bat, I just don’t see teams tripping over each other going after Dunn. Maybe a few teams in the NL chase him, but most of his offers are going to come from AL teams wanting him to DH. Dunn could just be using the whole “I don’t want to DH” as leverage, to get an AL to overpay his market value to acquire his bat.

by Andrew Davidson on Sep 10, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Ladson:

@washingnats: Nyjer Morgan’s hearing is over, but a decision has not been reached by the league office. He is in the lineup today vs. the Marlins. #Nats

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 2:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What decision?

Mr. Morgan, you will serve out at least n days of a suspension beginning tonight (it’s been nearly three weeks, you’ve put it off long enough). We will let you know when you can return sometime this weekend, but don’t expect to play for a while.

Playing him tonight is just asking for trouble.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Sep 10, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just hope Sanabia doesn't lose one inside....

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Apparently...

..the commish’s office would like to get more eyeballs from ESPN during the least marketable days of the year rather than make the prudent baseball decision.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Sep 10, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will put Fmg

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 3:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Will put Gamethread up after Riggle

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Will put Gamethread up after Riggleman pregame...

Here are lineups:

Marlins:

Maybin – CF
Morrison – LF
Ramirez – SS
Uggla – 2B
G. Sanchez – 1B
Helms – 3B
Stanton – RF
Davis – C
Sanabia –P

Nationals:

Espinosa – 2B
Desmond – SS
Zimmerman – 3B
Dunn – 1B
Bernadina – LF
Morse – RF
Rodriguez – C
Morgan – CF
Lannan – P

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Espinosa, Desmond, Zimmerman, and Dunn

Sounds like a law firm. A law firm that will sue you back to the stone age!

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Sep 10, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could you imagine

A law firm that actually had a Dunn.

“Injured in a car accident? Don’t wait on unreliable insurance companies. At Espinosa, Desmond, Zimmerman, and Dunn we sure them until they are just that. Done.”

by David Huzzard on Sep 10, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morgan's gonna be tetchy in the 8-spot...

…it is a Fireworks Friday, I guess.

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3

by Doghouse on Sep 10, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything to fire up the team after two disappointing team efforts.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Sep 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Della has always been a loyal secretary, but I bet she’d leave me in a heart beat if she had a chance to work under those guys (so to speak)

by PerryMason on Sep 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Amazed at all the playing time that Espinosa is getting and now you’re putting him a higher profile spot in the batting order.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Sep 10, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanchez is out of lineup

he dropped his appeal and Bonnie is playing 3rd, Helms, I think, to first
go, Nats

by gengreen17 on Sep 10, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, Helms at first, here's hoping Morgan spends a lot of time there tonight...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 10, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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