Wire Taps: Washington Nationals Appear Ready To Bring Jim Riggleman Back.
The Washington Nationals all but announced this weekend that Nats' Skipper Jim Riggleman would be back on the bench in 2011, which is odd considering they all but announced the same news back in late July, but as DC GM Mike Rizzo told Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore on Saturday, as quoted in a Nationals Journal post entitled, "Jim Riggleman likely to remain Nationals manager in 2011", though, '"[The Nationals] haven't announced a final call...we've made a definite decision.'" MLB.com's Bill Ladson, in an article on the non-announcement entitled, "Riggleman receives praise from front office", quotes the Nats' GM explaining what he thinks Riggleman has done well:
"He has worked hard during trying circumstance. He has managed young players who are getting better and learning on the Major League level and have shown improvement on the Major League level. That is a positive."
Even last year, when he took over the managerial duties from the much-maligned Manny Acta, I assumed Jim Riggleman was merely a placeholder, who would get, to coin a phrase, "Wakamatsu-ed" at the end of the '09 season as he had in Seattle after taking over on the bench in June of '08 when his current Bench Coach (then the M's Manager) John McLaren had been unseated as the Mariners' field general. Though Riggleman was under consideration, the Mariners' search for a skipper ended when Don Wakamatsu was offered and accepted the job while Riggleman moved on to become the Nats' Bench Coach and eventually their manager. The Nationals reportedly expressed some interest in other candidates throughout the winter following the '09 season, but ultimately decided to retain Riggleman, who had guided the Nats (thanks to a late-season seven-game win streak) to a 33-42 record over the last 75 games following their 26-61 start to the year under Mr. Acta.
Riggleman led the Nats to a somewhat surprising 20-15 start through the middle of May this season, but the team lost 5-straight after that and remained around .500 through the end of the month before the losses began to pile up to the point that Washington was 11 games under .500 at 34-45 when the month of June ended and 14 games under at the end of July. In spite of the losing, however, MLB.com's Bill Ladson reported, in a July 24, 2010 article entitled, "Nats' Rizzo happy with Riggleman's work", that the DC GM had stated clearly at the time, "'Yes, he [Riggleman] will be back next season. He has done a terrific job.'" Adam Dunn was quoted in that article in July saying he believed Mr. Riggleman had put up with the bad times and deserved to be on the bench when the good times arrived:
"'I think Jim deserves it. ... He definitely deserves the opportunity to manage the club when it's healthy.'"
The Face of the Nats' Franchise, Ryan Zimmerman, is quoted in the more recent Washington Post piece by Adam Kilgore supporting the idea of Riggleman's return while explaining that it's one of those things over which players have no control. But in Zim's mind, as explained to Mr. Kilgore, the third baseman, who's signed through 2013 and has had three skippers in 5 years since his '05 debut, thinks it might do the team good to have a more permanent figure in control on the bench:
"'All the good teams usually have one guy that's there for a long time. Having consistency in that position definitely helps.'"
The only mystery here is why the Nationals chose to announce that a decision had been made again while still not making it offiicial. Perhaps they want to avoid the situation that's arisen in New York with Jerry Manuel's future reportedly in doubt and Joe Torre's name being thrown out every day in the news. Perhaps, following the rise and fall of Stephen Strasburg and the media firestorm that surrounded Riggleman's public spat with Nats' center fielder Nyjer Morgan, which ultimately ended with both player and manager being suspended following the on-field brawl in Florida, the Nats' GM just thought it might be wise to remind Riggleman that his job was secure. Either way, it appears Jim Riggleman will be back next season, for better or worse. According to Riggleman's contract, and sources quoted in Mr. Kilgore's article, the Nationals will have to inform the Skipper of their decision by the day after the World Series. Why they've chosen to twice inform the press of their intentions without making an official announcement is unclear, but there doesn't seem to be any doubt this time around.
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Why is the team backing Riggleman? Is there anything he does good? He makes too many awful decisions. How about his decision yesterday to bunt Ian Desmond in the 1st inning. That’s ridiculous. Playing for 1 run in the first inning against a prolific offense. Or what about his mysterious double switches that make little sense.
Aside from a sense of stability, I don't know, Mike.
I think you’ll find that most here, or at least those who are still watching are split about 50/50 on Riggleman.
Definitely took note of Desi’s early bunt the other day too. Played for one run got one, and that’s it.
I’m still wondering if someone’s on the horizon the Nats are waiting for or developing, but I’m not sure what it is aside from his total devotion to the team and game that has them so enamored with Mr. Riggleman.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 20, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The role of the manager is overrrated in W/L
Riggleman has made some head-scratching decisions, but those have occasionally worked out. He’s made some really smart ones that haven’t. IMHO Riggleman is a “push” manager. We’ve seen worse (Manny Acta). His lineups and fascination with small ball are negatives in my mind. But he has somehow managed to get through a low mediocre season with essentially no starting rotation and with the bullpen not completely fried by August – that’s pretty impressive even if no one wants to see it.
If you’re going to replace Riggleman, you have to have something better. I’m not sure that there is an option out there that I really like that much better than Riggleman. I’m not for kicking over the apple cart just for the satsifying sensation of kicking something – I want to know that the apples will improve.
Who wants this job next year?
The talent isn’t really there. Just like there not going to go overboard with an expensive free agents yet, they’re not likely to go for a high profile manager like the Dusty Bakers or Lou Piniellas’s or even some of the more highly approved tactical managers that are under the radar while their focus is more on developing the kids. I think that Riggleman has used his bullpen well and he has managed his team’s psyche well. He has also provided a stable and professional clubhouse that guys like Zimmerman appreciate. If Zimmerman likes him, and he is doing no harm I don’t have a problem with him.
Rizzo should have a number of wins in mind based on the talent he acquires in the offseason. If they fall short, Riggleman will be a contributing cause and he should be canned during the 2011 offseason.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Please God,
no Dusty Baker.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
I don't want him either.
Just an example of names people recognize. Some will be more inclined to go for those kind of candidates since it seems to be working for the Reds.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
I think if you put enough talent on a team, they’ll win in spite of their manager. That may be how Piniella and Dusty have won.
The Nats are far from being in that situation.
Agreed.
Manager is not but so important, which is why Rizzo does not want to interrupt continuity in assessing his talent. See you’re back with the clowns.
Can’t blame you. You see my equivalent avatar.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
by souldrummer on Sep 20, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
However…I think a better manager than Riggles could get more out of this team. The players don’t appear to have that invested look in their eyes despite their insane salaries. The league minimum is 4500 dollars per game I think…that’s not too bad.
I can’t place your avatar. What is it?
You’re sounding kind of old school to me here. It’s a tough makeup right now because you have some veterans like Harris, Kennedy, and maybe even Pudge who are slogging to the finish. Hard for me to see who could get them but so excited for meaningless games when they have little shot of expecting increased playing time next year. The kids seem to continue to play hard. For all the talk about playing veterans, I am pleased with the time that Ramos and Espinosa are getting now, although that’s probably coming from Rizzo as much as Riggleman. Let’s face it, Rizzo probably wants a manager who is dependent enough on him that he is the primary voice on the team, not Riggleman. Not that he intervenes on day to day or strategy matters, but he wants a manager who will respond to his philosophies on development and total playing time.
As far as my avatar, that’s John Carlson, young defenseman for the Washington Capitals and hopefully a rookie of the year candidate. He’s staring on to the ice waiting for his time to play. It’s much about waiting for the Caps at this point. The ‘Skins have a narrow window of time (basically their first four games) to convince me that they are worthy of my time and ending my media blackout. But it’s time for me to get started prepping for the Caps during preseason as much as anything else right now.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
by souldrummer on Sep 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think there are tons of managers who are better at managing than Riggleman, and who would work well with Rizzo. Riggles is just the easy way out for 2011.
Let’s Go Capps!!!
Who is out there that could make that much difference?
It there’s someone on the staff that should be on the hotseat, it should be McCatty. What has he done to improve the rotation, its consistency, its stability, its endurance, its health, or its performance in the year-plus he’s been in the position?
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
I totally agree on McCatty.
I think he’s in the school of, “act like you know what you’re doing and you’ll get by.”
I've been wondering for awhile...
if the Nationals should get a new pitching coach. Glad to see I’m not the only one with some misgivings about McCatty.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
[I'd miss my McChatty's]
:(
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by Patrick Reddington on Sep 20, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He might be manager of the year this year
seriously, did anyone expect the Reds to run away with the central before the season started?
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Just for the record Kasten at least has said the Nats are going to make a rum at free agents thus winter:
ESPN’s Jayson Stark quoted Mr. Kasten saying the Nationals, "…plan to be “more aggressive than we’ve ever been” to upgrade their club," this winter.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Riggs has done a pretty good job overall
All the micro-managing he does is a bit mysterious at times, but it doesn’t really matter all that much in the long run. What he does well, though, is he tends to keep the spirits of the team up despite trying times. He keeps a cool head of his own, which I believe tends to help others keep their’s. He has contributed positively to Desmond’s development with his take-it-slow approach to giving him playing time. I didn’t like it much at the time, earlier in the season when Desi sat so often, but in the end I’m convinced it helped him become a steady influence in the field and at the plate.
Still, there are issues that have as much to do with Rizzo as they do Riggleman. Riggs tends to try to give all the 25 steady playing time, which I understand. It’s Rizzo’s fault that occasionally some of those players are named “Taveras”, “Mench”, or “Atilano”.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
What did you want them to differently about Atilano?
Are you upset that injuries gave him so much playing time? Or did you have another candidate at Syracuse you wanted to see once Marquis got hurt so early?
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
by souldrummer on Sep 20, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
There were people in the system who were more qualified than Atilano,
but more to the point, there should have been more people available besides Marquis. Early in the season, the Nats were desperate for a healthy arm, which is crazy. Rizzo should have signed at least one or two free-agent journeyman starters if he didn’t trust his youngsters.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Odalis quit us! lol
He didn’t latch on with anyone, correct? Wonder what happened to him. Must be some beyond baseball stuff there.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
by souldrummer on Sep 20, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Who are these people in the system? Chico? Martis? JD Martin had injury issues early. Dunno. Who were the starters available at the beginning of the season? He felt he had more depth than he actually had. I don’t think Detwiler’s injuries were supposed to linger. I believe he thought Wang would actually contribute at some point. Mock went down early as well. And if I were a free agent pitcher, I’d be concerned that by the end of the season I would be might expendable as well.
For this team at this point in its development, which replacement level 4/5 starter is in the rotation is not but so big a deal for me. Even next year, it’s not but so big a deal as long as they have credible candidates. By 2012, you hope and expect that they have five credible starters and you roll with that. [I’m sure they are hoping for Strasburg, Zimmermann, Detwiler, Lannan, and Solis or Millone]
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
by souldrummer on Sep 20, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I care a lot one way or another for Riggleman. I would like to see him replaced because I think there are better guys out there and I don’t see why the team shouldn’t try and be better. We always hear how in game management is only worth 2-3 wins and how line-up construction is only worth 2-3 wins. That could be a five game improvement right there from a good manager. I do agree that Riggleman is a zero sum manager, and is almost perfect when trying to figure out the future since he isn’t adding any wins and isn’t taking any away. I think this team is playing right at their talent level, but I would still like to see someone better when the time comes and the season isn’t for answering questions about the future.
Some thoughts on Riggleman...
a manager’s primary duty in today’s game is to manage the personalities in the clubhouse and make sure that certain players don’t call the shots, lest a division in the clubhouse occurs. secondarily, he needs to be up to date on the true valuation of his personnel, including both scouting information and statistical information. lastly, if he’s not managing a top of the division contender, he needs to manage heavily with an eye towards development, not on the day-to-day victory count.
i don’t think Riggleman was particularly successful on any of these counts.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 20, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
On point one, he was pretty solid for me until the Nyjer Morgan debacle. Even here, it seemed to me that there wasn’t but so much division; guys like Zimmerman stood up for Morgan as well. What evidence do we have a clubhouse divisio before the last couple weeks of the slog to the finish line?
Scouting and statistics are areas where he needs to improve on and that’s why he’s probably not the long term solution unless he exceeds win expectations from the Rizzo.
“Eye towards development”? How has he failed on this one? Desmond seems to have developed fine this year and has probably exceeded external expectations while matching internal expectations. Outside of Desmond, who else was he called upon to develop? He also seems to be handling Espinosa well.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
by souldrummer on Sep 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as division…I know I’d be ticked if I saw all the excuses Riggleman makes for Nyjer Morgan’s behavior. Supporting him for our benefit hasn’t worked…why not tear him a new one. He is below average at everything except running fast.
SD, Riggs manages every game like Game 7 of the World Series
he plays the players on his roster he thinks will win him that game today. Guzman ate at bats early in the season. How about Taveras? Willie Harris? Batista? when given an option, Riggs almost always reaches for the “proven” veteran. you can’t give him credit for Desmond. Rizzo blatently told him that Desmond was the shortstop this season. Remember in spring training when Riggs was trotting Desi out to the outfield?
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I can and do give him credit for Desmond
Yet another in the long list of items we will disagree on.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
well RBS, i'm glad you have an inside track to how decisions are made with the Nationals.
so now when I hear something, i’ll just run it by you to see if you agree or not before I post it.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't, and I never have claimed to
speak for the Nationals. I speak for myself.
You wrote “you can’t give him credit for Desmond.” It’s an absurd statement. Of course I can give him credit for Desmond or anyone or anything else I choose.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
you can believe anything you like
but i know that Riggleman isn’t responsible for that decision. as in, for a fact.
frankly, RBS, you have taken any joy out of posting on this site for me, and your insult calling my statement “absurd” is the last straw. its not my opinion that Rizzo told Riggleman to play Desmond at shortstop and only shortstop.
you and your opinion can go take a flying hike. this is the last time i’ll respond to any comment you make on this or any other site.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 20, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow this got ugly real quick.
Or I guess it’s been a slow-months long boil, but I wish it hadn’t ended this way. As the Minister of Peace i now feel like a failure.
Blames Wil Nieves.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 20, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently I'm the only one around here who can't be 'insulting'
Can’t say I’m overly disturbed by your decision. I’ll continue on trying to enjoy baseball, and avoid the grumps that occasionally pop up on this site.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Desi in the OF? Nope totally blocked that out...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 20, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
(pulling out my brand new “Snark-o-Matic 3000™” )
Oh, yes, what a complete disaster that was! Putting Desmond in the outfield for a single out in League play??!! Riggs ought to be shot, stabbed, and hung, and his body left on display as a warning to all other would-be managers who would dare to do any single thing in a manner with which I might disagree!
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Pulling out my new "Over-Reaction Meter"...
I was referring more to the off field discussions about using Desi as a rover rather than at SS, but luckily Rizzo put his foot down on that one early and said he’s a SS if he plays…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The comment wasn't directed at you,
or even DNNN (so much). It was mostly at everyone around who simply went googoo when he was even CONSIDERED to be a potential fill-in in the OF. They had three decent middle-infielders at the time, and hardly anyone available as a fourth outfielder. Using Desi out there instead of, say, Taveras was not that offensive to me.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
I figured, just wanted to test new ORM....
Enjoy last homestand, sir. Let me know if you’re going Saturday. Trying to put something fun together.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Sep 20, 2010 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'l be there, as always.
Wishing a fond farewell to another summer.
sigh.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Unfortunately
it seems likely the 2011 Nats won’t be that much better than this year’s model. Thus I’ll find it reassuring to hear JR’s postgame “I think we played good” pronouncements as one loss after another sets the tone for the summer.
Or maybe the team will surprise and improve substantially. I actually like Riggleman; I’m just indulging in some end-of-season snark after a disappointing 2010.
You should try
the new Snark-O-Matic 3000™. It works about as well as can be expected, even under extreme test conditions. Like, for example, when talking about the Nationals.
Rob
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby

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