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Wire Taps: Washington Nationals' Nyjer Morgan Has Some Decisions To Make.

In light of the bench clearing brawl that followed Florida Marlins' starter Chris Volstad's second purpose pitch to Nats' center fielder Nyjer Morgan last night, a lot of discussion has focused on whether or not Morgan's decision to quickly steal second and then third in the next at bat after the beaning had reopened the situation for further retaliation after Morgan had barreled Florida's catcher Brett Hayes over the previous night resulting in what was later diagnosed as a separated shoulder. On the MLB Network's MLB Tonight highlight show, former major leaguer Harold Reynolds said, "I know they're losing, but there are protocols within the game, so once he did [steal the bases] then it's open war again, he brought that back on himself and that's why I think this thing continued to escalate." Nats' Skipper Jim Riggleman, whose comments Mr. Reynolds referenced before expressing the opinion quoted above, didn't have any problem with Morgan's decision to take out the catcher in game two, or steal the two bases after he was hit in retaliation. When asked on the MASN post game broadcast if Morgan stealing the two bases was what reignited things, Mr. Riggleman had the following response: 

Jim Riggleman: "No, I think they were going hit him again anyway, and I'm glad Nyjer stole those bases to tell you the truth. They hit him, he went to first base, he took his medicine. I don't know that yesterday's play was right or wrong, but we were going to let it go. Nyjer went to first base, but if they hit you and you feel like you didn't do anything wrong, which that's the way Nyjer felt about it, he took those bases, that's his business. We'll decide when we run, we don't let anyone else decided when we run. So whatever their reason was for throwing at Nyjer again, I've got no problems with what took place after that.

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Q: Was it professional to steal the bases after the HBP?

Jim Riggleman: "If [Morgan] felt that he had done something wrong than I would have put the hold on him, so I didn't put the hold on, he chose to run, I didn't know he was going to run, but I didn't care that he ran, because I know Nyjer felt that he didn't have a place to slide [the previous night], that's a decision he made. But right or wrong, they hit him and for him to steal the bases, I don't have a problem with it..."

It's a matter of Morgan's decision making in my mind, however. Morgan decided to run the Cardinals' catcher Bryan Anderson the other night on a play at the plate when Anderson wasn't standing over the plate as the Marlins' backstop had. Morgan's choice to hit the catcher instead of bothering to touch the plate was a bad one. It was a cheap shot and it also cost the Nationals a run as he came into contact with his teammates before going back to touch the dish and was called out. In the play at the plate against Florida, catcher Brett Hayes made a bad decision to straddle the plate and force Morgan to make a decision as he rounded third, and the choice to take out the catcher as opposed to sliding, and try to knock the ball free, was questionable in terms of his chances for success, but not outside the lines.

The decision Morgan made to steal two bases after he was hit, even with the Nats down eleven runs at the time, was pretty clearly an attempt to respond to the HBP. Can you honestly argue that Morgan's decision to steal the bases was solely about trying to get the Nats within 10 runs and cut down on the lead? Do you believe that? I think Morgan's decision to respond negatively to his manager's comments in the press recently was a poor one. I think his decision to run the Cardinals' catcher was a poor one. Should he have stolen the bases? Harold Reynolds doesn't think so, Rayn Zimmerman along with some of Morgan's teammates questioned the decision, but Morgan decided what he thought was the correct response. If he's given the opportunity to make his own choices and makes poor choices each time, isn't it about time you took the power to make those decisions out of his hands? Something tells me MLB is going to make the decision Jim Riggleman says he wasn't willing to, and "put the hold on him." Discuss...

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I’m fine with people criticizing Nyjer for charging the mound, but that people would criticize him for stealing the bases (which is, you know, part of the game) because that’s just not “what you do” when you’re down by a lot is ludicrous.

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by Jake Shapiro on Sep 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree there is nothing wrong with stealing 2 bases

that is the way you get back at someone for hitting you…do it on the filed with you baseball talent not your fists

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by Rickfansince76 on Sep 2, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Gotta support your teammates, but winning is the best payback.

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by Doghouse on Sep 2, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

worst take down since Robin Ventura

wow Gabby Sanchez took down Morgan, it was awesome…reminded me of Ryan taking down Ventura

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by Rickfansince76 on Sep 2, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Not at all comparable

Ryan took down a guy who charged HIM. That was beautiful. Sanchez clotheslined a guy from the blindside. Really, I think the way they went after Morgan is why Listach and the Nats rallied behind Morgan. They might not like the guy at this point, but he is their teammate and he was alone in a pile of foes. You HAVE to go in and get him out of there, and they did.

by d_c_guy on Sep 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way

It was a chicken**** sucker shot and he went for Morgan’s head/neck when he wasn’t looking. It was bush league.

by el beisbol on Sep 2, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should probably throw the player out or hold him on if they try to steal

I guess exploiting how bad the Marlins are at holding runners/throwing them out is Nyjer’s fault because he wanted to get us back into the game.
Embarrassing that all the TV personalities and what not are going on about how that means the Marlins can throw at him again.

by Brotato on Sep 2, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

The bases

You don’t stop stealing when you’re getting killed to respect the other team, you stop stealing because it’s bad baseball. You can run yourself out of the big inning. That’s why this never happens. It’s stupid baseball.

That said, Volstad was handing him those bases with horrible looks and timing. He one looked Nyjer when Nyjer was on first, and I could have taken third with the lazy one look, one two look he did when Nyjer was on second.

If you don’t want Nyjer to steal, don’t hit him… or at least hold him.

by el beisbol on Sep 2, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Missing the Point
The decision Morgan made to steal two bases after he was hit, even with the Nats down eleven runs at the time, was pretty clearly an attempt to respond to the HBP. Can you honestly argue that Morgan’s decision to steal the bases was solely about trying to get the Nats within 10 runs and cut down on the lead? Do you believe that?

Of course Nyjer was retaliating for being plunked. So? He was doing so within the parameters of the competition, and incidentally advancing his team’s chances of winning the game incrementally. The best way to retaliate is to do so through the game itself, not by going outside the game and plunking people (Volstad) or going after the catcher (Morgan, against the Cardinals).

by d_c_guy on Sep 2, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

It was a question more than a point...but I get your's...

And don’t necessarily disagree. Though i also think the point above about possibly giving away runners when down big is a legitimate one. I don’t think Morgan was thinking at all about catching up at that point though. Just my opinion.

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by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think we disagree on this

I don’t think stealing bases was the smart play there, but it was a baseball play. Throwing behind Nyjer Morgan is NOT a baseball play. Compete within the boundaries of the game, make your statements within the boundaries of the game.

by d_c_guy on Sep 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

100% agree.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Since they didn't at his first AB (when it was a tie game)...

…and waited until they were up 10, I’m guessing no. That also makes it kind of a punkish play.

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by Doghouse on Sep 2, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I state below,

Win Probability tables indicate that by stealing second and third, Nyjer increased the team’s chance of winning by less than a tenth of a percent. OK, so it did increase the team’s chance to win. However, it also increased the likelihood of a bench-clearing brawl to nearly 100%. It wasn’t worth it.

Rob

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by RobBobS on Sep 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is

As PR so eloquently stated, stealing those bases wasn’t about scoring the run, is was about Morgan “getting back” at the pitcher. HAD HE CHOSEN to not steal those bases, then the whole episode would have been behind us. But he did, and that provoked the pitcher’s response in his next AB.

By stealing second base, Nyjer increased the chances the Nationals would win by all of 4 one hundredths of a percent. At the same time, he increased the chance that he would get plunked and that the whole affair would blow up to nearly 100%.

Then, later, Volstad threw behind Morgan. Morgan again had a choice. HAD HE CHOSEN to stand there, then Volstad would have been thrown out of the game, and Nyjer would have come out of it the “big man” in the situation. He would have won, essentially. But he charged the mound, which I understand, but by doing so he guaranteed that he and several of his teammates would be ejected, fined, suspended, etc.

In the end, it’s about Nyjer making choice after choice that has put him in a bad situation. Taking the high road is usually not the easiest thing to do, I understand. But, ultimately, consistently taking the low road makes one’s life much more difficult.

Rob

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by RobBobS on Sep 2, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

RBS, well put.

we finally find something to agree upon.

Morgan had the choice to play or make it about him. He chose to make it about him.

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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dern, should've said Morgan had "choices" instead of decisions :)

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Taking the low road, like Volstad did? Like Sanchez did?

This is weird, because I’m not a Nyjer Morgan fan. I’ve criticized him a lot for his play this year and his mental lapses.

But this is the disconnect, from where I see it: there is no discussion of how other people’s decisions also contributed to the situation. Hell, Volstad “chose” to throw at Morgan the first time, much less the second. Yet no one is questioning either of those decisions. Even the Marlins said that the collision at home plate was not a questionable play; they only got upset because Morgan hit the Cardinals’ catcher earlier in the week? It’s just not a coherant argument. And yet the Nationals played along with it, Riggles even put Morgan back in the leadoff spot just to get it over with (and sat down Zimmerman, likely to protect him). Continuing to get mad because Morgan stole the bases is just choosing to be mad, IMO. And yet that’s OK.

I do think that Nyjer should NOT have charged the mound. I also really think his walkoff strut was really, really dumb. But to focus on his choices while ignoring choices that the Marlins were making is just as shortsighted as excusing Morgan’s decisions outside of the competition. Sanchez shouldn’t have clotheslined Morgan, and Slaten shouldn’t have thrown at Sanchez in retaliation.

I’m glad that the teams aren’t playing each other again today. Let things cool down for a bit.

by d_c_guy on Sep 2, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I might not have been explicit enough

I don’t think that anybody is blameless here. Everybody knew that Morgan was going to get hit. That doesn’t make it right. And, while I wasn’t necessarily expecting Volstad to do it again, it didn’t surprise me. But, again, that didn’t make it right.

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Sep 2, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He really, really, really chose to make it about him after the fight.

There’s a lack of awareness of how he is perceived. It’s very pertinent that the crowd taunting seems to becoming one of the defining images of this incident. There seems to be little remorse about that and that’s where the suspension length is going to come from and how his new reputation has been cemented. That’s also the part that Rizzo should be most concerned about as he tries to decide whether the hassle with Morgan, who has been outplayed by Bernadina this season, is worth it as a 3rd/4th outfielder with all of the growing baggage.

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by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the crowd taunting

Dangerous, stupid, choose your adjective. And once a player demonstrates rabbit ears, every knuckle head fan in every city is going to try to become part of the story by getting the player to act out. There’s no good ending to that cycle.

by d_c_guy on Sep 2, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball does not want to be hockey, football, or basketball...

…and that’s going to lengthen his suspension. The lack of comment from Riggleman or Morgan about the post-fight taunting is less than ideal for me.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Riggles quote about the scene in the clubhouse after the fist ball hit Nyjer....

“They made the decision to throw at Nyjer — they did and then the question is do we throw at them,” Riggleman said. “I got some of my veteran players together and said, ’It’s your ballclub, if you want someone getting thrown at, I’ll order it right now,’ and everybody said, ‘No, it’s over.’ That being the case, when they threw at him a second time, then it’s not over.”

My personal favorite Riggles quote …..

“I got no problem with that and we decide when we run. The Florida Marlins will not decide when we run, we decide when we run.”

by NewJerseyAveSE on Sep 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I like that Riggs stands up for his players

would Manny have even discussed a pay back throw?
that said, Nyjer needs help. his bizarre choices have cost the team runs,
if not games. Maybe his talking to himself and fans distracts his mind
from the game in progress. T. Plush’s evil twin has taken command. It’s sad.

by gengreen17 on Sep 2, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I love Riggs stance

The fact he was willing to order a hit on one of there players is great. The vets he asked made the right choice not to. Also saying we run when we want to is awsome he just gained a little more respect from me. As a fan who has watched pretty much every game since the NATS came to D.C. its nice to see someone has some heart and isnt just mailing in the rest of the season. Nyjer probably went about it the wrong way BUT I am happy he did it, this team needs a couple of guys who are passionate about winning and are pissed about loosing.

by rbolt on Sep 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Leaders

I always hear about clubhouse leaders but bad teams need stong outspoken leaders. R. Zim isn’t that guy dont get me wrong he’s the best player hear but not strong leader. I loved what Starsburg said about Harper either wanting to play hear or not so maybe there’s some hope there but the NATS need a strong everyday player out there as well maybe Desmond or Espinosa can develop into that guy or even Harper

by rbolt on Sep 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thinking of Nyjer as a leader is tough for me.

For me, you lead with your play first. Zim and Dunn are strong clubhouse guys because they have experience and their play leads to winning baseball. I think both lead behind the scenes in their own way. Rarely will we hear about that, and I respect the team for keeping a lot of stuff in house unlike some of the more dysfunctional teams like the Mets have been in the past. It would be nice to have a charismatic guy be that leader who could keep the beat reporters happy yet stay classy and couple that with sound fundamental play that leads to wins.

The anti-Nyjer crowd views this as a culminating incident from a lot of frustrating behavior. It’s important to realize that this started with Nyjer being upset by being pushed down to the 8th spot in the batting order. That move was justified given his low on base percentage and his habit of getting picked off or caught stealing at inopportune times.

I do think that Desmond or Espinosa could evolve into that leader that you’re looking for. Desmond has a similar full throttle style of play as Nyjer. He’s got more dues to pay and he, like Nyjer, has to improve his decision making. The difference with Desmond is that he’s younger and we can see some significant improvement from the beginning of the season to the end of the season.

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by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't the move to the eighth spot,

in turn, the result of his actions the week before in Philly and the suspension?

Rob

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by RobBobS on Sep 2, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's Riggleman on the move to the 8th spot...

According to Kilgore:

“I think our ball club is best if he’s hitting leadoff,” Riggleman said. “As we build the club for the future, that’s what we want him to do. It’s got to get to a point where we’re getting more in the .340, .350, .360 on-base percentage for him to really nail that spot down for us. I think that he will get back to where he was last year in the bigger picture. Our ball club will fare better with him at the top of the lineup. Right now, it’s just not happening.”

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by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

As you say, Desmond is not Morgan

Huge difference between Desmond and Morgan is that Desmond has demonstrated an ability and a willingness to learn from his mistakes (most obviously, eating balls now that would have thrown earlier in the season). Morgan doesn’t learn. To wit: said he’d slide next time, after the Anderson fiasco. Next time comes in Florida, and does Morgan slide? Nope. Kid doesn’t learn.

by ricksnats on Sep 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good point about how he didn't learn from the last play...

…and in both situations he may have cost the team a chance to win. I think that choices that lead to losing play is bleeding into discussions about the fight.

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by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't it Ironic

that WWE is the current sbnation add running at times below this story

by David Huzzard on Sep 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

An ad about fighting-related entertainment under an article about a fight?

Seems more appropriate than ironic.

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by Doghouse on Sep 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an aside from a FB lurker...

this is the most thoughtful an intelligent discussion I’ve see about this incident. I don’t have much to add but I’m curious to see what the Nat’s are going to do with Morgan going forward. I think he’ll probably be suspeneded by MLB for the rest of the season but after that…

by Brett Barrus on Sep 2, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

They’ll give him a 7-15 games and make him go to anger management classes.

by RoscoeNats on Sep 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

5-10, but otherwise in full agreement that this is what SHOULD happen.

And after it’s over, IT’S OVER.

Also, the Nats should INSIST that Volstad and Sanchez get punished hard too.

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by Jorgath on Sep 2, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the comment, Brett. We got ripped a lot last night...

For not just blindly backing Morgan, but I think there’s a lot of room for criticism without being completely negative.

I think Morgan might be done for the year and hope he takes the time to get his head on straight and work on his weaknesses. I still think he has a lot to contribute. Just hope it’s as a 4th OFer next year.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1 Rec'd and appreciate the feedback

I’m less invested in whether Morgan was “right” at this point. I’m more bothered about his actions leaving the field. More than that, I don’t like things like this to drive a wedge between players on the team or members of the fanbase. Thanks for the encouragement and I hope that you’ll contribute, comment, or offer feedback as you feel led in the future.

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by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems ridiculous to me...

to criticize Morgan for stealing two bases after he was on base, let alone believe that doing so is justification to throw at him a second time after he’d already been hit! If you don’t want Morgan stealing bases, hold him on or throw him out when he does.

by ecommerceman1 on Sep 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

There's some other factors that could be in play that we'll never know about.

Morgan needs statistical success to help justify a starting role here or elsewhere. Two stolen bases against a guy who is easy to steal against help his cause there. Don’t know whether that played into it or not. Likewise, Volstad may be frustrated and sensitive to guys stealing bases on him because he’s been abused by basestealers this year.

I didn’t watch it on TV so I don’t know how aggressively the Marlins were holding him on.

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by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether or not you or I think the SB's justified the second HBP attempt...

The Marlins clearly did. Been listening to MLB Network Radio all day…it’s aboot a 50/50 split on the subject.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Marlins are full of franking bootchips.

"Inconceivable!"
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by Jorgath on Sep 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Franking FishChips?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Scruffy looking nerf herders ...

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by Princess Jazzy on Sep 2, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

IT'S A TARP!

"Inconceivable!"
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by Jorgath on Sep 2, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still laughing at this 5 minutes after reading this...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 3:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Still laughing at this 5 minutes after reading this...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 3:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Still laughing at this 5 minutes after reading this...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You're welcome :D

"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride

by Jorgath on Sep 2, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which pretty much reflects the commentary here on FB.

Frankly, everyone has made valid points on both sides of the discussion. I’m upset about the Marlins’ attitude that they can throw at the Nats batters at will, beat them like a drum and the Nats are supposed to sit there and take it. I don’t agree with that, aside from all the baggage with Nyjer Morgan. This team has humiliated the Nats for years and their attitude that the Nats are supposed to take it is really quite bizarre, IMHO.

While I do not condone Nyjer’s WWE performance after the brawl, I condone the Nats standing up for themselves after their teammate got clotheslined, and I applaud them for scoing 10 runs!!!! I like the fire they showed.

I hope Nyjer goes to anger management classes, maybe they can find out what’s going with him. I’m not in DFA camp if we could get the guy back that was playing for the Nats before he broke his hand in Wrigley.

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by Princess Jazzy on Sep 2, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I'm in the "sit him down" camp, maybe the "Mental DL" camp, but not the DFA camp.

"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride

by Jorgath on Sep 2, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jazzy, he's not that player unfortunately...

the six weeks he spent as a National in 2009 was an outlier to the rest of his career. he benefitted greatly from an unreasonably high BABiP, and now that his BABiP is back to league norms, he is being exposed for the player he more than likely really is. which is: slap-and-dash, low OBP, low baseball-IQ.

league average for BABiP is roughly .300

in 321 plate appearances for the Pirates last season, he hit .277/.351/.356 with a BABiP of .325.

in 212 plate appearances for the Nats last season, he hit .351/.396/.435 with a BABiP of .398.

in 496 plate appearances for the Nats this season, he’s hitting .257/.317/.318 with a BABiP of .308.

as you can see, as the BABiP normalizes, we see the “real” Nyjer Morgan. with the way he’s reacted to being put in the No. 8 spot instead of leading off, I don’t think he has the temperment for the 4th OF spot next season. he doesn’t play well enough fundamentally for that role either, IMO.

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by Dave at District Sports Page on Sep 2, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nyjer actually has an above-league average expected BABIP...

…looking at his speed and line drive rate and such, you’d expect him to have a 330ish BABIP, if I remember right (don’t have the math in front of me). He’s actually been slightly unlucky this season, but last season’s magic month-and-a-half was surely a lucky streak.

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by Doghouse on Sep 2, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting ... guess Rizzo and Riggs thought they had caught

lightning in a bottle … unfortunately, it looks like they both got zapped.

I agree that unless Nyjer’s has a complete attitude adjustment, he won’t do well in the 4th OF spot since we see how he has reacted to being dropped in the line-up.

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by Princess Jazzy on Sep 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I’m just too much of a hockey fan but I have no problem whatsoever with Morgan’s decision to run over the Florida catcher or his decision to charge the mound.

In fact, I’ll be buying the Nyjer Morgan t-shirt I saw last time I was at the stadium next game…

by Jeff T on Sep 2, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

My problems with Morgan, who I do like I might add, have more to do with his poor baserunning and light hitting. And the sustained streak of lousy defense earlier this year...

When he’s at the top of his game he’s fun to watch and makes things happen. Just hasn’t been that player he was for the second-half of ’09 before he got here or since then as Dave explains with fancy numbers above…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Sep 2, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dern that math stuff again ...

Patiently waiting for "next year" since 1971.

by Princess Jazzy on Sep 2, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man needs some fans.

Hopefully he justifies your faith in him.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.

by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's grizzy?

Wait a sec, have we even seen grizzy and Nyjer in the same place at the same time? Dun-dun-DUNN!!

"And everybody lived happily ever after. Except the Phillies and the Mets. The End." --Sasskuash
Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3

by Doghouse on Sep 2, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

#SignDUNN

Rob

"Ninety feet between home plate and first base may be the closest man has ever come to perfection." -- Red Smith

by RobBobS on Sep 2, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if he was posting from a blackberry on the basepaths...

It would explain so much about his game, actually.

"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-The Princess Bride

by Jorgath on Sep 3, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

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