Nationals Daily Evolutions 1/18/11
by David Huzzard on Jan 18, 2011 11:01 AM EST
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PrintYesterday was a busy day in Natstown. In an effort to find One Eyed Willy's treasure the Nationals traded for deformed Fratelli brother Sloth Tom Gorzelanny. --Dave Nichols at natsnewsnetwork.com
The Nationals didn't give up any meaningful prospects and took a step in solidifying the back end of their rotation. Any effort that helps the Nationals to not use 13 starters next season is a good effort in my humble opinion, and why the difference in wins is likely insignificant in the standings the Nationals learned the hard way that those insignificant wins can cost $40 million and 2 years. --Sue Dinem at nationalsprospects.com
I always think it is important to see how the other side feels about a trade, and it is not happy. --Justin Havens from espn.com
Gorzelanny has been a terrible starter at times and he has been a decent starter at times, but no one knows exactly what type of starter he is. --Dave Cameron from fangraphs.com
The Nationals rotation with Gorzelanny will feature a new wrinkle, experience and depth. Hopefully gone are the days of Atilano and Martis. --Mark Zuckerman from natsinsider.com
The Nationals also signed Alex Cora to a minor league contract. --Ben Goessling at masnsports.com
Avoided arbitration with John Lannan. --Adam Kilgore at washingtonpost.com
Are still in pursuit of a reliever which has now taken the form of Aaron Heilman. --Zach Links from mlbtraderumors.com
And despite signing Alex Cora are still interested in Jerry Hairston Jr. --Phil Wood at masnsports.com
Wilson Ramos and Derek Norris are both considered among the ten best catching prospects in the game. --Jonathan Mayo at mlb.com
Strasburg is strengthening the rest of his body while waiting for his arm to heal. The Nationals will be cautious with Strasburg, but he is confident in his healing factor. --Adam Kilgore from washingtonpost.com
More on Strasburg's confidence in his healing factor from this interview. --Tim Gunter at sportsradiointerviews.com
The Blue Jays sign former Nat Jon Rauch. --Ben Nicholson-Smith at mlbtraderumors.com
Adam LaRoche has a message for you. --nationals.com
Chien-Ming Wang got paid to not pitch last season, and if he does pitch this season it is a bit uncertain what the Nationals will be getting, but could he help the current rotation? Yes, even with Tom Gorzelanny the current rotation is bad and will need all the help it can get. --Ben Goessling from masnsports.com
Screech getting jiggy with it or whatever the go-go equivalent is. According to the drummer it would be, "Buggy ding dong." --Dan Steinberg in The D.C. Sports Bog
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I might erase that Heilman note, David...
Just hoping if we collectively ignore that possibilty it will fail to transpire….
#nohumanraindelay
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 18, 2011 11:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I would be unhappy with that as well. I would hope that the break glass in case of emergency reliever the Nats sign is someone that inspires something beyond fear and dread in the hearts of his own fans.
by David Huzzard on Jan 18, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Aaron Heilman’s greatest claim to fame for me is giving up the gopher ball grand slam to FLop in my first game at Nats Park when I was sitting next to my dad the Mets fan. Dealing with divisional ridicule for trotting him out to the mound would not make me happy one bit. Craig Stammen, shut up the haters and earn your 25-man slot!
John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.
by souldrummer on Jan 18, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
please make it go away. please make it go away. And if so make him Everyday Eddie Guardado spring training invite or a Syracuse Slatenesque stash.
John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.
by souldrummer on Jan 18, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
My memory gets a little hazy so remind me why we're supposed to hate on Atilano again
My faint recollection was that he got pulled up to the major league team after Mock and Marquis got hurt and hurt/bad respectively, pitched pretty well (better than that in one or two starts) then broke down when he got overused and finished on injury/surgery
May the way of the hero lead to the Triforce
He doesn’t really have the talent to be a major league pitcher. This doesn’t mean much to me as a lot of guys have gotten by with more guts and guile than talent, but I think his early success had more to do with unformilularity than anything else. He is more a symbol of a type than a person when I use his name, but it would be nice if the next few young pitchers that come up are thought of as real prospects instead of guys being thrown to the fire and hoping they can succeed.
by David Huzzard on Jan 18, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with this. He’s a Tommy John survivor that the Braves dealt to us and I believe his only MLB skill is a better than average ability to generate ground balls. He has earned the right to shock the world from Syracuse.
John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.
by souldrummer on Jan 18, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I’m with this as well. You want to give Heilman a spring training invite or a Syracuse spot that Ron Vilone occupied, fine.
John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.
by souldrummer on Jan 18, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see how signing TG helps keep the starter count down
Seems to me, he’s like pretty much all the other so-so’s clambering for a rotation spot. He’s certainly not the guy you pen-in as a regular.
Rob
"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard
Bill James Projections
Let’s just say the goal is for the staters to account for around 1000 innings. That is slightly higher than 6 innings per start from the starters. Gorzelanny is projected at 133 IP, Lannan at 174 IP, Livo at 218, Marquis at 105, and Jordan Zimmermann at 132. That leaves 238 unaccounted for innings to be filled in by Wang projected at 140 innings Detwiler projected at 46 innings and Maya who has no projection but it isn’t hard to imagine him getting the 52 remaining innings. Between those eight guys the Nationals should be able to get 1000 innings and eight is well under 13.
by David Huzzard on Jan 18, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Much as I admire Bill James
I think his projections are sometimes quite loopy. Marquis had averaged 196 innings per season from 2004 thru 2009, and was injured last year. So why 105 this year? Then, incredibly, James projects Livo for 218 innings?! Livan hasn’t pitched 218 innings in any season since 2005. That’s a LONG time ago! The last time he even exceeded 185 was in 2007.
Rob
"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard
Consider him Livo insurance if nothing else
Counting on a good year from Livo is dangerous. Just like coutning on a good year from Marquis. It is best to have options for if/when some of your pitchers get hurt or soil the bed.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant
by The Herndon Kid on Jan 18, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Gil Meche retires
Think that there’s anyone in the Royals’ system that can be acquired in exchange for any one of the Nats’ umpteen back-end starters / long men?
Rob
"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard
Chien-Ming Wang gunning for a Silver Slugger award
check it out in this cool ESPN article on funky contract incentives
Interesting article...
it also mentioned Adam Dunn’s Gold Glove incentive.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
curious question
of what exactly does a player’s physical consist?
I’m an nonathletic grandma wondering.
do they get the intensive look over my doctor gives me
or do they just check the obvious?
thanks
player's physicals
They generally get your standard primary care physical, then a closer examination of joints (shoulders, elbows, knees) and a thorough examination if they’ve had any previous injury history by the team’s doctors.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jan 18, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I would expect it would be the above plus cardiovascular tests that would be uncommon for other patients at that age
I didn’t do athletic training anywhere near the professional level but probably a stress test and metabolic/enzyme panels to check for hints of underlying problems that wouldn’t show up in a gross exam that the patient might not be aware of.
May the way of the hero lead to the Triforce
In an effort to find One Eyed Willy’s treasure
What the hell does that even mean? Did I miss something with this?
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jan 18, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions
Gorzelanny looks like Sloth from the Goonies.
by David Huzzard on Jan 18, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what that is.
But I do know what “”http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=one+eyed+willy" target="new">one eyed Willie" is a reference for, and not sure it’s appropriate for this venue.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jan 18, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
dang it all. stupid formatting.
here.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jan 18, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goonies
This is one of the single greatest movies of all time. One Eyed Willy was a pirate and his treasure was lost or so the legend goes in the movie. A country club wants to buy the families houses in order to build a golf course and Sean Astin wants to find One Eyed Willy’s treasure in order to save everyone’s home.
by David Huzzard on Jan 18, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
hmm.
sorry i didn’t get the reference. never seen the movie.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jan 18, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
If you have kids don't let them watch...
…My boys practically had it on a loop for a year. It was better than Barney though.
Vivid imagination...
Gorzelanny
Sloth
Rob
"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard
Wow! We got Ramos for a guy we probably wouldn’t have brought back in arbitration anyway. Matt Capps is the gift that keeps on giving. I will forever root him for all of the treasure that he has brought.
John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.
Yep
Enjoyed it while he was here, enjoyed his AS appearance, and now hopefully a catching prospect matures while the Twins pay for the year Capps had in 2010.
I’d root for him anyway, though. Like RobBob says in another thread about J-Zimm, Capps is a “catch and throw” guy. No messing around, it’s just “here’s what I got, I don’t think you can hit it.”
$7.5 million? REALLY
Wowsers. Maybe the Yankees didn’t overpay for Soriano …
Nope, they did lol
How much of that are the Yankees paying?
Rob
"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard
Prince Fielder avoids arbitration and gets $15.5 million.
He’s gonna cost some big bucks in FA…and Pujols is going to make Teixeira’s contract look tiny.
+1
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jan 18, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Gorzelanny makes deal with Cubs to avoid arb
per Kilgore
Deal isn’t finalized, so Nats can’t sign him yet. Seems messed up though :P
by “deal isn’t finalized” I’m referring to the trade. The Nats can’t deal to avoid arbitration until the trade is finalized, so the Cubs made a deal instead.
NPUT y'all
It’s on Jay-Z. Head on to the next thread and “Get the Dirt off Your Shoulders”
John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.
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