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Wire Taps: Washington Nationals' Weekend - Justin Duchscherer To Orioles.

Former A's starter Justin Duchscherer agreed to a deal with the Baltimore Orioles, spurning the Washington Nationals' advances. (Photo by Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images)

That was quick. Before most people realized that the Washington Nationals were, according to reports, interested in oft-injured free agent right-hander Justin Duchscherer along with the Seattle Mariners and Baltimore Orioles, they were left empty-handed. Late Sunday afternoon, both SI.com's Jerry Crasnick (@jcrasnick) and Baltimore Sun baseball writer Dan Connolly (@DanConnollySun) had reported that the Nats were one of three or four teams that remained possible destinations for the 33-year-old former Oakland A's starter/reliever. MLB.com's Bill Ladson (@washingnats) soon confirmed the Nationals' interest in Duchscherer, who'd made just five starts last season before a hip injury ended his 2010 season, but was impressive enough when on the mound and in recent bullpen sessions, that he had more than one offer on the table last night. Several hours after the intial reports the Seattle Mariners were eliminated, leaving the Nats and O's, according to the Baltimore Sun's Mr. Connolly on Twitter, "as 2 finalists for #Duchscherer," with the Nationals the favorites to land the pitcher. Four hours later Sunday night, however, SI.com's Jerry Crasnick sent the following report out via Twitter: 

@jcrasnick: "Justin Duchscherer agrees to 1-year big league deal with #Orioles, pending physical. He could make up to $4.5M in salary & incentives."

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According to MLB.com's Brittany Ghiroli on Twitter (@Britt_Ghiroli), "Duchscherer's agent Damon Lapa said it came down to Os and Nationals, both made strong offers. Orioles other moves 'absolutely' factored in." MLB.com's Bill Ladson spoke to Duchscherer's agent as well, and quoted Mr. Lapa in an article entitled, "Nationals miss out on Duchscherer", saying that both teams had, "offered the opportunity to contribute at the middle to top end of the starting rotation," but, "From [Duchscherer's] perspective, Baltimore presented the best set of factors as far as where he wants to go and pitch." 

• Independent View of Nats' Organization: 

Baseball America's John Manuel appeared on MLB Network Radio's "Baseball Today" with Holden Kushner (@holdenradio) and Mel Antonen Sunday afternoon, and was asked by a caller to offer his assessment of the Washington Nationals' organization heading into the seventh season since baseball returned to the nation's capital, after they've dedicated themselves to rebuilding the system and seen little progress in the organization (in the caller's opinion) aside from the top picks they've made the last few seasons:

BA's John Manuel: "I know that in 2007, when the Nationals had extra picks, we thought they had a really good draft. In fact, I believe when we did our Draft Report Cards that fall we called it the best draft...because of their depth and we liked some of the younger guys they took*. The thing is all of those guys pretty much flamed out. They took a lot of high school arms that year. I think the only guy that really worked out of that draft, was Jordan Zimmermann. Ross Detwiler's okay, he's got a chance, but other high school pitchers like Jack McGeary and Josh Smoker we were excited about did not pan out.

"One thing, it's not the same as the NFL Draft, but one thing is that when you do draft at the top of the draft every year, you're spending a ton of money on that first pick. They spent $15 million dollars, invested $15 million plus, in [Stephen] Strasburg, right around $10 million on Bryce Harper. Sometimes that makes it harder to keep spending further down the draft. I understand why teams like the Pirates last year, in 2009, take a Tony Sanchez at four overall. If you're not convinced on somebody, then try to have a deeper draft instead of tying up $6 or $7 million in one guy, try to spread their money out among four or five different players. I did like what the Nationals did in 2010 a little bit better. Even though they spent all that on [Bryce] Harper, they did have some other guys, A.J. Cole, Sammy Solis, even Robbie Ray...I'm not a huge Robbie Ray guy, but they did go a little bit deeper in that draft.

"I think [the caller's complaint] is a valid criticism and I know he works there on the network, but I didn't think Jim Bowden did a great job running that franchise. I don't think he did a great job running their scouting and player development, and that was one of the things that got him fired. Obviously the whole "Smiley" Gonzalez shenanigans and that was a joke...You know, Jim's track record in Cincinnati was bad, and when he left, the Reds have gotten better at player development, so I think that's a fair assessment of the Nationals, and I think Mike Rizzo is better scouting and player development than Jim Bowden was and you'll see better results under Mike Rizzo."

* = Radio interference mid-sentence

Mr. Rizzo, himself, said much the same recently in a press conference following the introduction of Adam LaRoche, telling the D.C. press corps he thought, "at least the last two or three drafts have been extremely important for us and impactful for us, and I think it goes hand-in-hand with Kris Klein becoming the scouting director, Roy Clark becoming Assistant GM, these guys are baseball afficionados, they know the game, they know the draft game very well, and it's a unique skill set that they have and it's no coincidence that when those guys were brought in that we've taken off."

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Good. Name’s too hard to spell and the only nickname you could use for him isn’t desirable.

by RoscoeNats on Jan 31, 2011 8:12 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Manual's comment about spending later in the draft may be correct

but what GM would say no to the opportunity to pick stras or harper?

OTLs are worthless in the playoffs

by TJL on Jan 31, 2011 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

I like the Duke

He’s had a tough go with the injuries, but he’s been very good when healthy. At peak health, he’s better then Wang. Oh well.

Rob

"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

Does this mean that the Duke is now one of your guys?

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I spent a fair amount of energy last season

arguing that they should try to sign him, but I guess the As had the inside track and nobody really offered up much competition for him.

Rob

"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I probably missed that conversation since I only got heavy into FB last year

You do realize that if we had acted on this last year he would have been yet another guy who we hoped for who wouldn’t have panned out due to injury issues.

I just don’t know how many 40-man spots we can use on these kind of players.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

One

And it’s being used up by Wang.

Rob

"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much agree with you on this.

Wang’s your flyer, Rizzo.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, you realize that if you like the Duke...

…Rizzo probably backed out of the deal once he found out.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

somebody at Nationals Journal

said that he chose the Os because he thought he had a better chance of making the rotation than he did with the Nats , my paraphrase

by gengreen17 on Jan 31, 2011 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Which ultimately is a good thing.

Hopefully this another one of those cases where the best move is the one you didn’t make. Rizzo, if Wang, Detwiler, Mock, and Maya are legitimate rotation possibilities, you gave Lannan arbitration, you’ve paid Marquis oodles of money, you gave Livo a major league deal, and you traded any prospects for Gorzelanny, I don’t know why you want to guarantee cash and a 25-man slot to this guy.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Duscherer

If healthy, actually could have been their best pitcher in 2011.

Fresh off hip surgery, alot of risk. But I think the main part is that he is a legit #3 starter in the MLB, and that becomes a #1 for the Nats. Good pick up by the O’s.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 31, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

nats have depth

but that doesnt improve their performance

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 31, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Chien Ming-Wang could have been their best pitcher last year

And still could be this year. The “if” is very large with JD, and how many spots on the 40 man roster can you roll the dice with? The Nationals are up to their armpits in soft-tossing middle-to-end-of-the-rotation guys (Lannan, Marquis, Hernandez, Maya), as well as inning-limited pitchers (Zimmermann, Detwiler) and reclamation projects (Wang).

by d_c_guy on Jan 31, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

You have to pitch #3 innings to be a #3

He hasn’t shown he can go past 140 quality innings.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't want this to happen!!

Folks, We have plenty of SP’ers to choose from and another injury-prone player is not what this team needed. If I can’t see moving someone off the 40 man roster for someone like Nick Johnson (possibly a solid bench player or pinch hitter for a full year) then why waste a roster spot on a pitcher who can’t stay in the lineup… we have enough of these already. I can’t blame the Nationals if they want to fill a roster spot in the minors and call him up if all-else fails though. Just want to see a healthy Marquis, Wang, Lannan, Zimmerman… and eventually Strasburg returning to this lineup this year (or next for SS…no need to rush him). We now have enough risk and backup in the SP department and the numbers give reason for hope because of the level of competition it’ll bring with it. Wang and Marquis have a lot to prove this year and I’m hoping that both will be a force this year.

by natexpo on Jan 31, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm not going to say I didn't want this to happen but I'm certainly not sad

Ultimately, I trust our GM enough that if he desires a move I’d prefer that it works rather than not work until I start to really, really distrust him. (I’m assuming holding Dunn past the deadline wasn’t entirely his decision.)

Maybe there was a trade he was going to work out for some of the other young back end low ceiling guys if this move had went through. For 2012, most of those back end guys may be expendable anyway. Your supposed to have Strasburg, Zimmermann, and (gasp) Lannan at the front of your rotation and Solis may be in the mix as well as other young arms or another free agent acquisition, front or back of the rotation.

Rizzo seems determined to be respectable this year and guys that he’s determined have no ceiling and aren’t part of our future playoff team may be expendable to try to give us a somewhat better chance of competing this year.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Trying to sign this guy sounded like a last minute thing.

I would guess that they didn’t have much interest in him until they heard how much money was on the table. No team really seemed to have much interest in him until yesterday. Of course, however, it’s the Nationals FO, so who really knows what’s going on in their heads up there.

"How the hell can I make my teammates better by practicing?" - Allen Iverson

by GetThatCurlyW on Jan 31, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

Of course, however, it’s the Nationals FO, so who really knows what’s going on in their heads up there

Which is a good thing, IMHO. Rizzo plays his cards close to the vest.

by d_c_guy on Jan 31, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point

Guy might have waited out the market expecting offers, found none of interest came and then had his agent shopping him to teams needing back end starters but also willing to spend money.

But who knows since Rizzo can be so tight to the vest.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he would have been a good sign...

but oh well. For those of you that think we have enough starting pitching, how many guys do you see in the rotation two years from now – JZ? Lannan is not good enough to be in playoff caliber rotation. Marquis and Livo will be gone. Detwiler, Maya, and Solis are all maybe’s but no sure thing. Wang is both an expiring contact and a health risk. Gorzo may end up back in the bullpen.

Would the Duke be the answer? Probably not, but I understand why Rizzo’s trying to get more upside guys despite the depth he already has. Even if JZ pans out like we hope and Strasburg comes back better than ever, we’re still going to need a 3rd top-of-the-rotation (TOTR) pitcher to match up with the Braves and Phillies.

by rfk428 on Jan 31, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

My point is that I think guys like Gorzelanny and Duchscherer are avaialable most offseasons

If we are legit upper mid-market team that can swell our payroll to 80-95M to try to contend during our window it seems to me that we can go young in 2011, decide how much to invest in free agents at that time, and be prepared to go all in a la the Brewers in 2012 with free agent investments. I don’t think teams win with guys like Gorzelanny and Duchscherer for the most part. I guess the Twins wandered into Carl Pavano, but are the Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, Phillies, Braves, Reds, Giants and Rockies winning with guys like this. Feel free to add any recent playoff teams to the mix but I think at certain point you have to either make progress with either elite drafting record, outstanding prospect development, success in the international market, shrewd trades, and properly acquiring impact free agents.

Guys like Gorzelanny and Duchscherer could be positive acquisitions, but I’m willing to use this year to make absolutely sure that some of the young pieces have no value on the field before giving up on them entirely. I don’t have a problem with Gorzelanny or Duchscherer but both seem in the rotation seem to be excessive unless there’s another move to deal some youth for depth prospects at other positions of need that we don’t know about.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with most of that but...

I would include Gorzo (and Duchscherer if we had him) among those for which 2011 is a proving ground to see who’s worth keeping long term. I guess you’re saying you’d rather find out about guys already in the system over FA’s. But if FA’s are young enough, like Gorzo – not like Pavano – then I’m ok with the team bringing them in to see what they have.

I personally don’t care too much about losing guys off the 40-man. A lot of ‘inventory’ on that list.

by rfk428 on Jan 31, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If we get Duchscherer to start, who would you want to kick off the island?

Right now it’s Livo, Zimmermann, Lannan, Marquis, and Gorzelanny with options to backup in Maya, Detwiler, Wang, Mock and guys like Milone who are worthy of AAA rotation spots. I’ve thought that we have an overflow of power relievers that we don’t want to lose on the 25-man roster. Guys like Rodriguez have options. So I’m confused as to whether the guys we have right now are such dreck that we need to pick up these back end options and injury risks.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rodriguez has no options...

And I agree that Duchscherer would have been a head-scratching pickup. We don’t need another injury risk hogging a spot on the active roster. We’re better off with what we’ve got…

[Thinking to himself]
Ted Striker: I've got to concentrate...
[his thoughts echo]
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by Nationalpastime9 on Jan 31, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Misprint

Yikes! Typing too fast. Rodriguez has no options, and I should start proofreading my posts.

John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.

by souldrummer on Jan 31, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, id get rid of Mock and Wang (if he doesnt regain form its just a bad debt), with a trade for Detwiler sometime during the year.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Jan 31, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Duke is nothing like Gorz

Duke is an impact pitcher who has had too many injury setbacks. Gorz is a middling starter who had failed to impress, ever. The 140 innings thing people keep talking about is a red herring. He had only 5 starts in his career before 2008, so nobody expected him to pitch 140 innings (or even 100 innings, for that matter)

Rob

"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think one good season as a starter makes him an impact pitcher. The fact that he was used as a middle reliever until he was 30 says something, and at 33, the chances of him regaining that form after a hip injury are a lot less than they would be for a younger guy.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 31, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

count me in the “better off somewhere else” camp.

Your voice of doom and gloom. Read more at natsnewsnetwork.blogspot.com

by Dave at District Sports Page on Jan 31, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 for me

Insane to grab him for the Nats.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Jan 31, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He was an All-Star even when he was "merely" a set-up guy

Point being: when healthy, he’s a very good pitcher. He’s better than Wang, for example. The major question is whether he’s healthy. I actually have my doubts. Still, if he passes an intense physical and pitches well in spring, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the O’s put him in the bullpen (he may not have the durability to handle the rotation).

Rob

"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering that the rotation is chock full of five-plus starters

(i.e. 5-and-a-third innings guys) it’s going to be important that the BP have plenty of versatile, and effective arms available.

Rob

"Valentines day is really the day pitchers and catchers report, and those are truly words of love.." -- David Huzzard

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I just think that the bullpen already has plenty of versatile and effective arms available. Storen, Coffey, Clippard, Burnett, Slaten, Detwiler, Rodriguez … that’s not even counting Gaudin or Livo has possible guys in the Bautista role, or Elvyn Ramirez as a Flamethrower from Rule 5. The Nationals need is in the rotation; I’m not sure how much JD offers there.

“When healthy” is such a huge qualifier for JD that it’s ridiculous. While he may have a higher career ERA+ (helped in large measure by Wang’s disastrous 42 IP in 2009 when he tried to pitch through his injury), JD has pitched over 200 fewer innings than CMW in three more seasons. For virtually his entire career JD was asked to pitch an inning or two while Wang was asked to start. Wang had one injury that has set him back; with JD it’s been one thing after another. Considering that Wang was effective as a starter for 3 1/2 of his 4 seasons and JD was effective as a starter in 1 of 8 seasons, and that the Nationals’ true need is for a starter, I don’t kick Wang off the island in favor of JD at this point, and that’s what you would have to do if you’re accepting that there is one spot on the 40 man for a gamble on an injury recovery.

by d_c_guy on Jan 31, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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