Washington Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo Updates NatsTown On Chien-Ming Wang, Davey Johnson And Yu Darvish.
The Washington Nationals held a teleconference this afternoon to get back in touch with the beat writers covering the Nats and provide updates on what's been going on at 1500 South Capital Street since the 2011 season ended with the Nationals 80-81 in 3rd place in the NL East. The conversation started with some talk about Chien-Ming Wang, the Nats' 31-year-old right-handed sinker baller who returned from two years of rehab for a successful run of starts at the end of the season. Wang's once again set to become a free agent, and the Nationals have to decide if what they saw from the former two-time 19-game winner is enough to warrant another deal.
There have already been reports that the Nats and Wang were in preliminary talks about a deal. The Nationals' general manager was asked if there had been any progress. "We are in communication and we're trying to negotiate a contract [with Wang]," Rizzo said, "I wouldn't describe it as imminent or close, but we're still communicating and we still have a mutual interest for Chien-Ming to sign with the Nationals."
Wang recently began training for the Taiwan Series (a five game series with an MLB team facing off against a Taiwanese All-Star team) that will be played next week in Taiwan starting on November 1st. Asked if the Nationals had any say about Wang's work load, the Nats' GM said, "No. Once he becomes a free agent we lose the right to monitor him or make any suggestions on work load and pitch limits and that type of thing. But he's got an intelligent agent who's been doing this for a long, long time and we've discussed what we believe are the parameters of how he should pitch in that tournament and so I think that they're going to be very careful and realistic about it."
As for the other players from the Nationals who'll be participating in the Taiwan series (Collin Balester, Ross Detwiler and Michael Morse for the U.S. team), Rizzo told reporters the Nats will have a say in how they're used. "The Detwilers, as far as pitching goes, we have a say in how they're used and make suggestions on pitch limits and that type of thing."
The first big decision for the Nationals this winter is whether or not to bring Davey Johnson back to the bench as the Nats' manager in 2012 and it sounds (as it has for a while now) like that decision, (as well as the decisions on who'll be on Johnson's coaching staff) are all-but announced. "Davey and I are in communication," Rizzo said, "Davey's been in communication with the staff throughout the offseason. We just have to stay away from announcing anything until after the World Series. After the World Series, you guys will be the first to know and we'll take it from there."
"I would say, total disclosure," Rizzo continued, "we're just waiting for an opportunity to make an announcement."
The conversation turned to free agency. The Nationals finished 16th overall this season as a result of their late-season surge, so their 1st Round pick isn't protected should Washington sign a Type-A free agent this winter. Rizzo was asked if that will impact the Nationals' decision-making process? "I'd say that it would be part of the discussion when we discuss free agents," Rizzo said, "I think it does have an impact because you lose the 16th player in the draft and that's important. So I think it would be part of our decision process and it does have an impact on us."
Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters' right-hander Yu Darvish (who hasn't been posted yet with the Fighters still in the post season), wouldn't cost the Nats their 1st Round pick if they were to attempt to sign the starter. There had been reports in the past that the Nationals had scouted the 25-year-old pitcher, "Have the Nats scouted him this year?" Rizzo was asked, and would they consider entering the posting process? "We scout every player that we have interest in. Yu Darvish, specifically, is a player that has a great talent level," Rizzo said, "We've scouted him over the years, I've scouted him personally over the years, our pro scouts have scouted him this year specifically. We've scouted the whole Japanese Professional League as well as every other international league that plays organized baseball."
"As we've always said," Rizzo continued, "We're open to acquire talent in any way, shape or form that we can, and if it's international talent, we're certainly willing to acquire international players." Asked when he last saw Darvish pitch personally, the Nats' GM said, "I haven't seen him pitch for the last two seasons, but we've seen him pitch this year, several times."
The general manager wasn't willing to share information about payroll flexibility going into the Hot Stove season, explaining that, "To share payroll prognostications...there's a strategy that goes along with that. I think that information is for us so we can do what we have to do, as far as the industry, that people don't know what we can do, and what we're willing to do and what we're not willing to do. So, I think there's a strategy piece to that we need to keep that information in-house."
The Nationals have made no secret of their desire to add a pitcher to the rotation this year, and Rizzo once again confirmed that a legitimate starter is something Washington will target. The goal, he explained, "... is just to get the best possible rotation type of pitcher that we can. We like the players that we have coming in that are going to compete for our rotation in 2012, [and] we're always looking to upgrade and to improve our rotation. What we're trying to do via free agency or on the trade market, international market, would be to improve our rotation and we're always looking to upgrade."
• More on the Nats in the AFL, Anthony Rendon, Adam LaRoche, Livan Hernandez, Pudge Rodriguez, Jesus Flores, the Nats' spring training home and Stephen Strasburg to come in the next few hours.
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If Rizzo accomplishes both his pitching goals
(a) re-signing Wang, and (b) acquiring a front-line pitcher, that probably makes Detwiler Davey’s left-handed long reliever/swing man, and a pitching staff of:
SP- Strasburg®
SP – Zimmermann®
SP – acquisition TBD
SP – Wang®
SP – Lannan (L)
RP – Storen®
RP – Clippard®
RP – Rodriguez® (out of options)
RP – Burnett (L) (assuming the change in pitching rubber position is the charm)
RP – Detwiler (L) (replace Strasburg in September?)
RP – Mattheus®
RP – Balester/Milone/Peacock/???
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If it works out that way, I'd be OK with it
[I thought I answered once, but it’s not showing up; apologize in advance if this is a double-post]
A couple of quibbles: I’d have Zimmermann be the Opening Day starter, for reasons pragmatic (he was the best pitcher on the team in 2011), Machiavellian (if Strasburg starts Game 2 on 4/5, his next start would be 4/12 – oh look, that’s the home opener!) and hopeful (let Strasburg start the next ten Opening Days).
I’m also open to having Gorzelanny join in the BP, and would lean towards having Milone and Peacock start the season in the Syracuse rotation. Neither has a lot of time at AAA, and I’d rather have them in a starting rhythm ready to jump in when someone gets hurt or struggles.
I too would have Gorzo in the 'pen
with Milone and Peacock starting in AAA. Here’s a wild question – does Lannan have options left? We sent him down two years ago and since Detwiler does not, Ross has to make the squad. Long term, I like Detwiler over Lannan because of stuff. JL is what he is, and that’s a 5 inning pitcher that’s going to walk almost as many guys as he strikes out.
While it may seem crazy to start Lannan in AAA, it would be a way to keep everyone in the organization. Detwiler will not clear waivers so we’ll have to use him or lose him. I suppose the more in-the-box solution is to have Detwiler start in the ‘pen since he’s had success there before, but I really think he was starting to take a step forward this September and I’d like to see him have a rotation spot. Lannan, despite not missing a turn, failed to reach 200 innings because he is simply not good enough to go deep in games. It will be interesting to see if they try to move him this winter (since he’s due a raise).
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I'd consider that only if Detwiler really outpitched Lannan in ST
And I mean seriously outpitched him. Lannan has established that he can give you ML innings on a regular basis over a season. Detwiler has established … that he can give you a couple of good starts, on long rest, in September. Is his stuff better? Heck yes. His results, though – not so much.
Detwiler may be one of the best trade pieces the Nats have right now.
Trade pieces
Detwiler
Peacock
Norris
Flores
Marrero
Gorzy
Or Lombardozzi,
and Moore (1B-HAR), Milone (LHSP), Solano (CA-SYR). For the right guy in the WSH lineup, there are MiLB pieces that Rizzo could bring to bear to get the deal done.
Sounds fine to me
Lannan doesn’t suck, but he is just meh
by William.Hatheway on Oct 26, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
More than 4 days rest = bad idea
Pitchers (look at Zim last year) are best on a regular 5-day cycle, so I wouldn’t want Stras to open the home season on 2 extra days of rest
by William.Hatheway on Oct 26, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
My thought was accurate, my typing fingers were not
The Nationals’ second game is scheduled for Saturday, April 7, with the home opener being the following Thursday, April 12. I got my 5’s and 7’s mixed up, but Stras starting game #2 DOES put him in line for the home opener. Weather permitting :-)
Given that Strasburg likely isn't pitching in September, I don't think it really matters
whether he is the 1st or 5th starter. I don’t think anyone questions that he is the ace. Throwing the home opener would be nice though.
stupid auto-format code!
somehow, ‘R’ in parens becomes the “registered” mark. I’d originally marked Strasburg as “1A”, Zimmermann as “1B” and the TBD as “1C”, to be ordered as you will.
On another note, I thought Gorzelanny was a free agent. If so, and given his stated preference to start, I’d be surprised if he’s back in 2012.
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Gorzelanny is Arb eligible for 2012
and at $2.1M in 2011, he might become a non-tender victim in the off-season.
Certainly an expensive reliever
but he might be dealt to one of the many teams looking for a back of the rotation guy that won’t kill them or to one of the richer teams looking for bullpen help like Boston.
But the off-season hasn't even started, so
You might consider Wang to be a 50-50 proposition at this point; If Rizzo can’t re-ink him, then the push to sign a #3SP becomes even more critical.
Consider this pitching staff for a moment:
Starters
1 – Zimmermann (RH)
2 – Strasburg (RH)
3 – FA/Trade acquisition (??)
4 – Lannan (LH)
5 – One of Detwiler (LH) / Wang (RH,FA) / Milone (LH) / Peacock (RH).
Bullpen
RP/SpS – One of Gorzelanny (LH) or Detwiler (LH)
RP/SpS – One of Stammen (RH) or Hernandez (RH)
MR – One of Mattheus (RH) or Balester (RH)
MR – Rodriguez (RH)
MR – Burnett (LH)
LS – Severino (LH)
SU – Clippard (RH)
CL – Storen (RH)
I still might prefer a more experienced reliever over Mattheus / Balester, but if you’re going to go young, this doesn’t look too bad.
I like that you list Severino on the team
I think the Balester needs to go if he dosent make some strides in the offseason
MOAR SEVERINO!
Since the utter meltdown of Slaten this year
Why not Severino? He’s Mighty Mouse – 5’9", 170 soaking wet but can hit 95 with his FB. I’d rather try his .278BAA & 1.88 WHIP as a LS than Slaten’s .356BAA / 2.143WHIP from 2011. Besides, he’s probably got the most unique name in baseball.
Yes
If Slaten is on the team and Severino is not, I swear I will go down to Rizzos office and yell at him in person. In adition to the best name in baseball, he his the first DSL grad to make his debut as a National. As his self appointed number one fan, I feel that Severino should have a shot to make the team with a good ST.
MOAR SEVERINO!
Does anyone know who Buster Olney listed as the favorites for Darvish?
I heard he did an ESPN insider article on it.
He said Blue Jays in a late Sept. article, but haven't seen anything since.
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by Patrick Reddington on Oct 26, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He said Texas today.
The Nats are apparently in the mix. Fingers crossed.
I'm not going to bother crossing my fingers
I hope they are just getting some other teams to spend their money bidding against themselves. There’s just too much risk in signing Darvish, IMO. High payoff potential? Sure. Crippling-payroll-anchor-for-years-to-come possibility? That, too.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
Payroll anchor for years?
This from the guy who wants Rizzo to sign the human bowling ball, Prince Fielder?
Point is,
there’s much less risk in signing Fielder, at least for the next several years. Darvish may well come over here and be a sub-average or merely average pitcher, or possibly even just get beaten up. It’s a distinct possibility, and regardless of whether the money spent to acquire him comes from posting fees or yearly salary, picking up a bad pitcher for upwards of a hundred million dollars would be, indeed, a crippling anchor on the payroll.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
Actually, Darvish's MLB contract will likely be very team friendly
if it exists. The money spent to secure the rights to negotiate with Darvish is refunded if a deal doesn’t get done and he can’t be signed by another club that year. So while it is unlikely that Darvish would accept a contract at or below his current salary, the team will have much greater leverage to negotiate. They might be able limit their financial exposure with either heavy incentives or contract options. So, while they will flush a large payment to negotiate, it won’t count against luxury tax, or prevent his contract from being traded.
Good points
and I think that if he posts, he jumps to #2 on everybody’s ‘wish list’ behind Sabathia, with Wilson, Buerhle & the others falling in behind. At only 25yo & with his cumulative stats in the NPL I could see him drawing a posting fee of around $40M. Signing him becomes an entirely different story, as he might look for something in excess of the Dice-K contract.
I like the kids’ numbers a lot, but would be concerned about pulling the trigger on something along the lines of a 6yr, $70M+ contract. But then again, sometimes you just gotta go ‘all-in’ if the flop falls in your favor.
why only 40 mil.?
I thought I heard that his posting feel would likely be higher, but I mean it when I say “I thought” so maybe you could clue me in?
by William.Hatheway on Oct 26, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody really knows
Here’s an article that polled five agents and one team executive about Darvish’s potential posting fee and contract. Guesses on the posting fee ranged from $30-55MM.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/agents-predict-darvish-posting-fee-contract.html
Of course, the article is from five agents
Agents have a real financial interest in talking up player values. And we don’t know who the one team executive is, what his or her agenda might be, or whether he/she knows what he/she is talking about.
Not very reliable, IMHO.
I agree with you
the Nats aren’t going to spend like crazy, even if they up their payroll, especially with sharp escalations in Werth’s and Zim’s contracts coming up; Darvish may be great, but mid-market teams can’t absorb “maybe” at a high price while also having Werth, no?
by William.Hatheway on Oct 26, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the price
I think they will bid, and bid seriously but not stupidly, and figure that if someone puts up a really dumb bid that trumps them they’ll just walk away saying “can you believe that [idiot]?” No harm, no foul
happy birthday jesus flores!
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
by TJL on Oct 26, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
+1! Happy birthday, Jesus!
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